The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Frodo]

Seeing Captain Marvel really makes me want F4 to be a 60's period piece much like XMFC was a sixties period piece and CM was a 90s period piece.

I know there are fans who are against that idea , but I would love to see a F4 during the mid sixties, period in the US with the upbeat attitude and bright color of films like That Thing You Do and the Sci Fi tv series of the decade like Lost In Space, Star Trek, and The Outer Limits.

 

[Darkprime]

Damn Feige working his magic. Captain Marvel 455M opening weekend! 153M domestic. Disney must be drooling over the X-Men and Fantastic Four if Captain Marvel can make nearly 200M opening weekend domestic think what X-Men and Fantastic Four will do under Feige my gawd.

 

[Spidey_62]

Seeing Captain Marvel really makes me want F4 to be a 60's period piece much like XMFC was a sixties period piece and CM was a 90s period piece.

I know there are fans who are against that idea , but I would love to see a F4 during the mid sixties, period in the US with the upbeat attitude and bright color of films like That Thing You Do and the Sci Fi tv series of the decade like Lost In Space, Star Trek, and The Outer Limits.

I think the big question I have for that idea then is just how do they make it believable these characters existed and never were mentioned once before in any discussions at any point. You'd think they'd be notable for different reasons- celebrities/explorers/intellect/super powers, unless the world magically forgot all of them or they were in a different dimension but it could get a bit messy if not handled with care.

Sort of the same question I have with introducing mutants out of the blue. Maybe reality/history gets altered in Endgame so things like that have always existed now, maybe they just always have been there anyway. I dunno.

 

[TheVileOne]

Joseph Kahn tweeting that is kind of stupid.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think the big question I have for that idea then is just how do they make it believable these characters existed and never were mentioned once before in any discussions at any point. You'd think they'd be notable for different reasons- celebrities/explorers/intellect/super powers, unless the world magically forgot all of them or they were in a different dimension but it could get a bit messy if not handled with care.

Sort of the same question I have with introducing mutants out of the blue. Maybe reality/history gets altered in Endgame so things like that have always existed now, maybe they just always have been there anyway. I dunno.

To my knowledge, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe, the American Civil War, Watergate, The OJ Simpson slow-speed Bronco chase and 10,000 other things we could name weren't mentioned, but I would presume they existed in the MCU reality.

I think we could argue that aliens were not known, so that would limit the FF facing cosmic threats (at least publicly).

We know that Captain America, Hank Pym's Antman, and Captain Marvel all existed prior to Hulk and Iron-Man, so it's not like people with special abilities were completely unknown at the start of what we know to be the MCU.

On the contrary, it seems that the MCU is a place that has been populated with exceptional characters throughout, so it makes sense that people wouldn't mention them. "Hey! Remember when the Fantastic Four were a thing?" … "Of course, but what do they have to do with anything that's happening now?"

I think it's completely realistic that the FF existed and were very well-known, but a bunch of long dead or presumed dead old-time superheroes just never came up in conversation in the context of the MCU films.

 

[Darkprime]

There are people on twitter actually defending Josh Tranks Fantastic Four movie saying things like "at least you tried something new thats what counts" lol wtf.

 

[Zarex]

To my knowledge, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe, the American Civil War, Watergate, The OJ Simpson slow-speed Bronco chase and 10,000 other things we could name weren't mentioned, but I would presume they existed in the MCU reality.

I think we could argue that aliens were not known, so that would limit the FF facing cosmic threats (at least publicly).

We know that Captain America, Hank Pym's Antman, and Captain Marvel all existed prior to Hulk and Iron-Man, so it's not like people with special abilities were completely unknown at the start of what we know to be the MCU.

On the contrary, it seems that the MCU is a place that has been populated with exceptional characters throughout, so it makes sense that people wouldn't mention them. "Hey! Remember when the Fantastic Four were a thing?" … "Of course, but what do they have to do with anything that's happening now?"

I think it's completely realistic that the FF existed and were very well-known, but a bunch of long dead or presumed dead old-time superheroes just never came up in conversation in the context of the MCU films.

I believe the first appearance of Galactus was explained away in the comics as a purple weather balloon. You could have the 4 operating in the 60s with wacky phenomena covered up by SHIELD and a compliant NY media.

 

[Darkprime]

Excuse me while I go throw up.

Haha, but I actually like F4 and would’ve liked to have seen your full vision of the film.

The first hour was solid You were just another victim of studio interference and i'm sure your take would have been great

I actually liked fantastic four I thought it was very interesting take on the characters I thought the 3rd act wasn’t great because it felt like a totally different movie but I feel like that was obviously reshoots and studio meddling but I never got the intense hate for it.

*cough i liked F4 better than GREEN LANTERN cough*

The ideas were there and you tried something different man, that's what counts.

I liked FF. Sure I wasn't a fan of having their powers changed, and wasn't really a fan of Dr. Doom but it was a bold experiment into the marvel multiverse and I still enjoyed it and don't see it as a failure.

 

[MbJ]

Disney must be drooling over the X-Men and Fantastic Four if Captain Marvel can make nearly 200M opening weekend domestic think what X-Men and Fantastic Four will do under Feige my gawd.

I actually don't think we're gonna see FF reaching quite those heights, tbh. Part of the hype for Captain Marvel is it was something new since the MCU has never had a solo movie led by a woman before, much like how Black Panther represented a large portion of the population that had never gotten a lead hero from the MCU.

Those conditions would be virtually impossible to recreate for the FF at this point. The cultural significance just isn't there.

 

[Darkprime]

idk I think the hype for a good fantastic four movie could push it to see similar results.

 

[wobbly]

I'll give Trank props for having a sense of humour about it. I admit I laughed reading that.

That being said when he owns up to badly misjudging the material from the outset (thought it was badly dull and uninspired before the much maligned one year later jump which seems to be where he was cut out of the loop) I'll be more willing to forgive the man. If he still insists he had a really great movie we never got to see then sod off.

 

[Tymminator]

To my knowledge, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe, the American Civil War, Watergate, The OJ Simpson slow-speed Bronco chase and 10,000 other things we could name weren't mentioned, but I would presume they existed in the MCU reality.

I think we could argue that aliens were not known, so that would limit the FF facing cosmic threats (at least publicly).

We know that Captain America, Hank Pym's Antman, and Captain Marvel all existed prior to Hulk and Iron-Man, so it's not like people with special abilities were completely unknown at the start of what we know to be the MCU.

On the contrary, it seems that the MCU is a place that has been populated with exceptional characters throughout, so it makes sense that people wouldn't mention them. "Hey! Remember when the Fantastic Four were a thing?" … "Of course, but what do they have to do with anything that's happening now?"

I think it's completely realistic that the FF existed and were very well-known, but a bunch of long dead or presumed dead old-time superheroes just never came up in conversation in the context of the MCU films.

You nailed it. That was always my mind on the issue. People like to say “so and so wasn’t ever mentioned before”, but as you perfectly, easily demonstrated it doesn’t have to be.

 

[MbJ]

I just don't see it. Don't get me wrong. I think the new FF and X-Men movies will do extremely well. But that the frequent talk of "If a B-lister like Black Panther and Carol Danvers can do this well, the X-Men and FF will CRUSH IT!" seems to ignore a major reason those properties doing so well was a newness to mainstream audiences that led to them becoming part of cultural watershed moments.

Even Spider-Man's return to Marvel didn't produce that same level of success, despite doing damn good in its own right (I remember people hyping Homecoming and saying it'd totally crush a billion because Spidey was finally back where he belonged).

 

[Dark Raven]

To my knowledge, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe, the American Civil War, Watergate, The OJ Simpson slow-speed Bronco chase and 10,000 other things we could name weren't mentioned, but I would presume they existed in the MCU reality.

I think we could argue that aliens were not known, so that would limit the FF facing cosmic threats (at least publicly).

We know that Captain America, Hank Pym's Antman, and Captain Marvel all existed prior to Hulk and Iron-Man, so it's not like people with special abilities were completely unknown at the start of what we know to be the MCU.

On the contrary, it seems that the MCU is a place that has been populated with exceptional characters throughout, so it makes sense that people wouldn't mention them. "Hey! Remember when the Fantastic Four were a thing?" … "Of course, but what do they have to do with anything that's happening now?"

I think it's completely realistic that the FF existed and were very well-known, but a bunch of long dead or presumed dead old-time superheroes just never came up in conversation in the context of the MCU films.

They've mentioned MJ in Spider-Man, so it must automatically be him because it's the same initials.

There are people on twitter actually defending Josh Tranks Fantastic Four movie saying things like "at least you tried something new thats what counts" lol wtf.

Probably some of the FFINO defenders who used to come here but realise they'll look too dumb now.

 

[DyfeddRex]

The healing has begun?

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

You guys keep doubting the power of the mutants and the 4. I said it before, we’ve only seen them:



We’ve never seen them:



The X-Men will be resurgent.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

And I’m mad I’ll probably have to wait until Wednesday to see Carol Danvers. Damn my friends and their plan cancelling asses!

 

[Darkprime]

And I’m mad I’ll probably have to wait until Wednesday to see Carol Danvers. Damn my friends and their plan cancelling asses!

So go on your own? I went on my own its honestly better that way IMO.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

This week, right fellas!

S~~O~~O~~N

 

[Darkprime]

This week, right fellas!

S~~O~~O~~N

Yep Mexico votes tomorrow. If all goes well it will be closed by Friday.

 

[Marvel united]

I saw the Dark Phoenix trailer at my showing for CM. It made me a little sad to be honest

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

So go on your own? I went on my own its honestly better that way IMO.

That’s the plan. It’s just Wednesday is the only time I’ll have free time to go see it

It sucks. Can’t even check IGN without seeing spoilers.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I saw the Dark Phoenix trailer at my showing for CM. It made me a little sad to be honest

Man if you don’t stop....

Disney will dry your tears!

 

[Darkprime]

I was expecting it at mine but didn't see it luckily I saw some reports online of people calling out the trailer at their Captain marvel screenings and I believe it tbh lol.

 

[Marvel united]

Man if you don’t stop....

Disney will dry your tears!

I know, man. It's just- my fiance didn't even know the movie was coming out nor did my mom. I went with a large crowd, very reactive. You could hear and feel the energy and excitement when the FFH trailer played, when the Shazam trailer played - heck, when the Pokemon trailer played, I heard somebody yelled "MEWTWO". But when the Phoenix trailer played, there was this eerie sense of ambience and awkwardness that permeated the room.. it just made me sad. People are not excited for X-Men movies anymore. It truly hit me in that moment that X-Men does not fit this time. It's like a dinosaur that's struggling to adapt.

It makes me mourn not just for the X-Men but also for the Fox-Men movies I grew up through my HS years.

Honestly, Marvel just keeps proving why the X-Men need to come home, why they must adapt. Marvel will give the X-Men the rejuvenation boost that it's begging for