The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Willie Lumpkin]

So, uhm, FOX has pulled out of participating in ComicCon because of "piracy concerns", whatever that means.
Honestly? The F4 rights is one of the first things that popped into my head when trying to guess at what the true reason might be.

Interesting. Do we know for sure that Marvel will be there?

 

[Darth_Spock]

So, uhm, FOX has pulled out of participating in ComicCon because of "piracy concerns", whatever that means.
Honestly? The F4 rights is one of the first things that popped into my head when trying to guess at what the true reason might be.

Fascinating.....

The last time a Fox Marvel franchise reverted back to Marvel, Fox hired Mark Millar to "right the ship".......

That's all I've got.

 

[Endeavor]

Interesting. Do we know for sure that Marvel will be there?

Nothing concrete yet, and the SDCC site has a note saying that the schedule won't be published until 2 weeks prior to the convention

All the damn waiting!

 

[ernesth100]

We waited long enough for Spidey in the MCU. We can wait a bit longer to see if the F4 follow.

 

[Web-Head]

I was gonna come here to say Fox won't be at San Diego Comic Con. I doubt it has anything to do with the Fantastic 4 though

 

[ernesth100]

But will Marvel be there? Or atleast Disney? Hell, really they dom't need comic-con anymore to make an impact with the announcementent.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I agree. Will Marvel make more money on Captain Marvel than than WB will with Wonder Woman because of Marvel's marketing machine and the way they'll tie her to other stories and the fact that they've been more skilled at crafting stories and creating better films than WB? Very possibly.

But if someone simply said to me or most people: "Would you be more interested in a Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel film?"

I know I'd go with Wonder Woman and I suspect 80-90% of the population would as well.

Yeah as much as I love CM most of the general public don't even know her by that name.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I was gonna come here to say Fox won't be at San Diego Comic Con. I doubt it has anything to do with the Fantastic 4 though

If nothing else, it means they won't be there to announce a new FF film.t:

But I was reading about it and their reasoning sounds bizarre. They don't want people pirating their footage? That pirated footage drives and carries interest in these films. The pirated footage for BVS was better than the film and it's hard to imagine the Suicide Squad film will be as cool as its comic-con footage. There's something about watching that difficult-to-see-or-hear footage combined with the audience reaction that gives the pirated footage a really cool edge.

The only people seeing the pirated clips are people like us and then we tell other people about it. What's the downside?

I think the realistic reason they're not going to be there is they don't have their s*** together. But perhaps an interesting question might be: "Why don't they have their s*** together?" Comic Book films are huge. As we saw with FF, they can make or break a year for a studio.

If Fox wants to play this game, they better get their s*** together.

Or maybe they don't want to play this game. Maybe they'd rather just turn over a large amount of creative control to Marvel and let them do the heavy lifting.

While it might be overly optimistic to think this has anything specifically to do with FF, I think it's not crazy to think this could indicate Fox isn't charging full-speed ahead with comic-based properties and if they're not charging full-speed ahead, that could, at the very least, provide an opening for some discussion of increased cooperation with Marvel.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But will Marvel be there? Or atleast Disney? Hell, really they dom't need comic-con anymore to make an impact with the announcementent.

As I was digging around for info., I saw a suggestion that Marvel might not be there followed by a source at Marvel saying that was BS, so I think Marvel will be there.

 

[Web-Head]

Marvel will be there to promote Strange and probably some Thor 3 and Spider-Man stuff. Probably will be when we'll get the next Doctor Strange trailer.

 

[ernesth100]

True, that. I got worried cause I heard a rumor studios were dropping out of CC because people keep leaking stuff.

 

[wobbly]

Other than stuff for Wolverine 3 would Fox have anything much to present anyway? (that would appeal to the CC crowd)

 

[jaymes_e06]

Yeah I don't think they have anything to announce unless they gave updates on Gambit or New Mutants.

 

[Endeavor]

True, that. I got worried cause I heard a rumor studios were dropping out of CC because people keep leaking stuff.

That's not the true reason.
Think about it.
They're going to avoid any presence in the event at all and completely miss out on all the word of mouth and interest it could generate because of what? over-exposure for a teaser? So in other words, they're afraid of free publicity?
I don't buy it.

 

[ernesth100]

I know, I know. I just read it somewhere but I knew it was likely bs.

 

[Mike5575]

I agree. Will Marvel make more money on Captain Marvel than than WB will with Wonder Woman because of Marvel's marketing machine and the way they'll tie her to other stories and the fact that they've been more skilled at crafting stories and creating better films than WB? Very possibly.

But if someone simply said to me or most people: "Would you be more interested in a Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel film?"

I know I'd go with Wonder Woman and I suspect 80-90% of the population would as well.

It's not just about marketing or the film be tied into a cinematic universe. People just won't have enough faith that another DC film will be any good. People will go watch any Marvel movie, but with DC, they'll have to wait to see if it gets good reviews first. Iconography only goes so far when you have to fork out $18 dollars to see a movie. Why would you waste that much money on a bad film. Captain Marvel has the edge, imo because people know and trust the Marvel brand.

 

[Mike5575]

That's not the true reason.
Think about it.
They're going to avoid any presence in the event at all and completely miss out on all the word of mouth and interest it could generate because of what? over-exposure for a teaser? So in other words, they're afraid of free publicity?
I don't buy it.

Look, if Marvel wanted to, they could have shown the world the SDCC footage OF AOU, but they didn't. Marketing is a science and movie Studios release their trailers when they do to make the most profit and generate the greatest hype. It's as simple as that, really.

 

[ernesth100]

I mean, you can't deny Marvels marketing strategy is good. But when you look at it, Marvels Civil War marketting strategy isn't all that different from DC BvS marketing strategy.

What didn't matter was the marketing. What matters is the word of mouth at this point. And DC's word of mouth was bad thus the film suffered despite, lets be honest, rather fantastic marketing. I mean that one trailer where we saw Batman take down all those men. The film looked like it'd be a massive hit. But it ended up being less than the studio wanted.


With Marvel they slap their name in there and a cameo from an Avenger and the film is gaurenteed success from the start. It's not a fair comparison really DC is just starting.


But how the hell do we keep jumping into completely different topics I don't have a problem with it, discuss what you want but it's kinda funny. Like discussing child birth and somehow ending the conversation talking about how donald trump orchestrated 9/11.

 

[Mike5575]

I mean, you can't deny Marvels marketing strategy is good. But when you look at it, Marvels Civil War marketting strategy isn't all that different from DC BvS marketing strategy.

What didn't matter was the marketing. What matters is the word of mouth at this point. And DC's word of mouth was bad thus the film suffered despite, lets be honest, rather fantastic marketing. I mean that one trailer where we saw Batman take down all those men. The film looked like it'd be a massive hit. But it ended up being less than the studio wanted.


With Marvel they slap their name in there and a cameo from an Avenger and the film is guaranteed success from the start. It's not a fair comparison really DC is just starting.


But how the hell do we keep jumping into completely different topics I don't have a problem with it, discuss what you want but it's kinda funny. Like discussing child birth and somehow ending the conversation talking about how donald trump orchestrated 9/11.

Marketing? What marketing? Marvel doesn't even need to try anymore.

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People say that DC is just starting, but Marvel took off with just one movie and it was a smash hit.

Things get off track, but it's just how the internet works. Heck, I've got adhd, and this isn't all that bad. I mean, we're still talking about comic book movies, at least.

 

[Endeavor]

Look, if Marvel wanted to, they could have shown the world the SDCC footage OF AOU, but they didn't. Marketing is a science and movie Studios release their trailers when they do to make the most profit and generate the greatest hype. It's as simple as that, really.

yes timing needs to be right, and all that.
but going so far as to cancel a whole event which is intended to increase awareness of not only one project, but your entire brand, just for the fear of one hypothetical leak?
It doesn't make sense.

At least when Marvel cancelled their appearance before, they later revealed it was because they didn't have things ready to show what they wanted in time for SDCC and they decided to do their own thing, which is when we had that phase 3 reveal.

But that's not what FOX is doing at all. They're using a weak bs excuse.
Why is this "piracy concern" an issue now? Why this year? Why not last year or the one before? It's not like the trailer leaks is something that was invented in 2016.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Other than stuff for Wolverine 3 would Fox have anything much to present anyway? (that would appeal to the CC crowd)

Don't they have new Kingsman, Planet if the Apes and Alien movies coming out?

 

[Orba]

Should also be something about Assassin's Creed if I remember.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think the real answer is somewhat obvious and simple if you stop to think about it.

Fox management doesn't understand and respect comic-book films and Fox management doesn't understand and respect comic-book fans.

Now I'm not talking about individuals within Fox (like Bryan Singer, Tim Miller or Ryan Reynolds) who do get it, but I'm talking about the broader management that makes decisions about things like going to comic-con.

Other studios understand that they don't need big, SFX laden clips to excite fans. A brief moment of Superman and Batman glaring at one another or 3 seconds of the Joker is enough to excite fans.

Fox doesn't understand that a 5 second clip of the Thing looking like the Thing and/or a 5 second clip of Doom looking like Doom could have won comic-con and been the basis for a successful movie.

So I think the explanation isn't much more complicated than that.

The broader and more interesting question is: "Can they recognize their own weakness, swallow their pride and allow someone like Kevin Feige to do some of the things they can't understand how to do themselves?"

 

[Darth_Spock]

If nothing else, it means they won't be there to announce a new FF film.t:

But I was reading about it and their reasoning sounds bizarre. They don't want people pirating their footage? That pirated footage drives and carries interest in these films. The pirated footage for BVS was better than the film and it's hard to imagine the Suicide Squad film will be as cool as its comic-con footage. There's something about watching that difficult-to-see-or-hear footage combined with the audience reaction that gives the pirated footage a really cool edge.

The only people seeing the pirated clips are people like us and then we tell other people about it. What's the downside?

I think the realistic reason they're not going to be there is they don't have their s*** together.

That's a logical assessment. Granted the initial footage of Apocalypse that leaked wasn't that well received but since Deadpool hit it out of the park I don't think that's really the issue.

-Fan4stic was a failure so no sequel.
-Gambit's progress is anyone's guess.
-"Wolverine 3" I believe is in the early stages of filming with no other news beyond that.

So that leaves "Alien's", "Apes" and "Assassin's" which may all turn out to be great films but do they hold a candle to CBM news most fans turn up for these days? That might be Fox's reasoning or as others have hinted and hoped for......

Fox not wanting to be there when Marvel Studio's reveals that they have the Fantastic 4 franchise back since that would literally blow the roof off the place.

Guess we'll see.

 

[First Avenger]

So guys I think we need to keep our eyes open on the comics side too. The moment the F4 reunite in the comics is going to be the moment marvel studios has the rights for their movies.