The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Web-Head]

Elmayimbe and his co host on Heroic Insider said they believe the F4 will make their way to the MCU sooner than later.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Elmayimbe and his co host on Heroic Insider said they believe the F4 will make their way to the MCU sooner than later.

Well I don't have much faith in him, but the idea that something major is brewing between Fox and Marvel seems to be growing and spreading, so I'm feeling more and more optimistic.

 

[Web-Head]

Well I don't have much faith in him, but the idea that something major is brewing between Fox and Marvel seems to be growing and spreading, so I'm feeling more and more optimistic.

It was just their opinion on it. But with all the little things about Marvel getting the F4 in the MCU, Fox might act on it.

 

[BarryAllen]

If Marvel gets FF4 back, I don't want it to be a Sony like situation. I want the rights to fully back.

Why should Fox benefit off of Marvel's success in creating a cinematic universe? Spidey's different as that's their biggest character.

And keep the X-verse away please.

 

[Web-Head]

If Marvel gets FF4 back, I don't want it to be a Sony like situation. I want the rights to fully back.

Why should Fox benefit off of Marvel's success in creating a cinematic universe? Spidey's different as that's their biggest character.

And keep the X-verse away please.

Agreed

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

All I care is that we get good films and Doom, Galactus etc. in the MCU . . . and Hulk vs. Thing.

As long as whatever happens allows all those things, I don't care what money is going into whose pockets or under what conditions.

I do hope that whatever happens isn't overly limiting - like the Universal/Marvel deal with the Hulk seems to be - but as long as we get all the cool stuff, I'm not particularly concerned with the details.

 

[ernesth100]

@Willie Lumpkin, completely agree. I also wanna see a recreation of the classic Spidey comic where he encounters the F4 for the first time.

Marketing? What marketing? Marvel doesn't even need to try anymore.

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People say that DC is just starting, but Marvel took off with just one movie and it was a smash hit.

Things get off track, but it's just how the internet works. Heck, I've got adhd, and this isn't all that bad. I mean, we're still talking about comic book movies, at least.

All true, all true. But I still don't think it's a fair comparison so soon on.

 

[Quasar]

If Marvel gets the FF rights back and it's a big hit, Fox will likely come out saying that was their plan all along. Because they thought the FF would only have middling success, they purposefully did a terrible job adapting them, in essence weighing them down with a lead balloon. Then when the balloon's string was cut (aka handing/selling them back to Marvel), the FF were launched into the stratosphere, becoming the biggest CBM sensation of all time!

 

[ernesth100]

Let's be honest a new F4 just isn't gonna sell at this point. Unless it's in the MCU and they can shove in a cameo from a Marvel hero like Iron Man, Spidey, etc.

They did the same for Ant-Man, with Falcon. They're doing the same for Spidey with Iron Man.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Let's be honest a new F4 just isn't gonna sell at this point. Unless it's in the MCU and they can shove in a cameo from a Marvel hero like Iron Man, Spidey, etc.

They did the same for Ant-Man, with Falcon. They're doing the same for Spidey with Iron Man.

I'm amazed at how different the new Spidey feels to me even though he was done reasonably well before and, for all practical purposes it's the same character with the same red and blue costume.

...but somehow he seems completely fresh and new and better now.

And FF hasn't even been done close yet. The idea of Ben or Doom showing up in a future movie ... And actually done right ... Gives me chills.

 

[jaymes_e06]

All I care is that we get good films and Doom, Galactus etc. in the MCU . . . and Hulk vs. Thing.

As long as whatever happens allows all those things, I don't care what money is going into whose pockets or under what conditions.

I do hope that whatever happens isn't overly limiting - like the Universal/Marvel deal with the Hulk seems to be - but as long as we get all the cool stuff, I'm not particularly concerned with the details.

Willie Lumpkin you deserve a medal for this post.

 

[Spiderine]

Much in the way MCU Spidey has been introduced I would expect a similar debut to any of the FF characters. An appearance in another MCU film. Giving audiences and fans an opportunity to warm up to MCU versions. Marvel knows how to do this well.

Hell......you could have pre powered Reed show up by himself as a minor cameo in IW and the excitement level would shoot through the roof alone. Thats how much influence Marvel has right now. Knowing that MCU Sue Johnny Ben and Doom are around along with the plethora of supporting characters would max out more anticipation for phase 4 and beyond.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Much in the way MCU Spidey has been introduced I would expect a similar debut to any of the FF characters. An appearance in another MCU film. Giving audiences and fans an opportunity to warm up to MCU versions. Marvel knows how to do this well.

Hell......you could have pre powered Reed show up by himself as a minor cameo in IW and the excitement level would shoot through the roof alone. Thats how much influence Marvel has right now. Knowing that MCU Sue Johnny Ben and Doom are around along with the plethora of supporting characters would max out more anticipation for phase 4 and beyond.

Yeah, I think one way to handle it is just start mentioning them and have the characters start showing up and already established.

Like with Spider-man, there doesn't need to be a whole lot of explanation. They're the Fantastic Four. Most people know enough about them that they can just be there, doing their thing, if that works for the direction Marvel wants to go.

 

[Web-Head]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Namor show up if we get the Fantastic 4 in the MCU too. The possibilities are endless and I think it'd be smart for Marvel/Disney to make a deal for them if they haven't already.

 

[ernesth100]

I'm amazed at how different the new Spidey feels to me even though he was done reasonably well before and, for all practical purposes it's the same character with the same red and blue costume.

...but somehow he seems completely fresh and new and better now.

And FF hasn't even been done close yet. The idea of Ben or Doom showing up in a future movie ... And actually done right ... Gives me chills.

Same. The thought makes me giddy.

 

[Knight_SV]

I believe F4 making way back to MCU will be a full reverse unlike spidey where it shared between Marvel/Disney and Sony, because fant4stic is a total flop comercially and critically, unlike TASM 2 who are underperformed and average critically. It will be unworthy for marvel to have them back to MCU with fox demanding same deal like sony.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I believe F4 making way back to MCU will be a full reverse unlike spidey where it shared between Marvel/Disney and Sony, because fant4stic is a total flop comercially and critically, unlike TASM 2 who are underperformed and average critically. It will be unworthy for marvel to have them back to MCU with fox demanding same deal like sony.

As we hear more and more rumors of co-operation between Marvel and Fox, I suspect the deal might have given Marvel the FF rights back while giving Fox a stronger X-Men with a larger stake, TV shows, more help from Marvel in building their world (and tying in with Marvel marketing, merchandising and publishing) and the possibility of crossovers.

If Marvel can help Fox improve and expand the scope of the X-Men, that could be huge for Fox (and Marvel when they take their cut), and removing FF as a distraction just seems to make too much sense for both sides.

 

[Spiderine]

This sounds like a hell of a deal for Fox whose X franchise is 16 years old and in the process of retooling. Got to keep things fresh and interesting. Having the massive support of marvel in their corner gives a mega boost. While also trying to venture into TV. All fox is doing is removing a worthless franchise and giving an injection into the one that matters. They already got starting point with Deadpool.

I believe deals have already been made and wheels are in motion anyways. Fox is likely to wait on the reception to Apocalypse. Its biggest xfilm to date before going full steam ahead with future film announcements to see where their plans lay. It will be interesting to see what Fox does if Apocalypse shows very little growth in box office from DOFP.

 

[Spiderine]

I believe F4 making way back to MCU will be a full reverse unlike spidey where it shared between Marvel/Disney and Sony, because fant4stic is a total flop comercially and critically, unlike TASM 2 who are underperformed and average critically. It will be unworthy for marvel to have them back to MCU with fox demanding same deal like sony.

I would hope this is the case. The ideal thing is for Fox to give FF up completely while getting benefits for its Xfranchise. I definitely don't see the Sony deal. We all know why that was made.

If it were a Universal/Hulk situation where Marvel has creative/production control on all films featuring any FF characters in any MCU film and are allowed to make solo films while Fox maintain only distribution should they make a solo film I could only see that happening. Of course Marvel may choose not to ever make solo FF films just like Hulk.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Its biggest xfilm to date before going full steam ahead with future film announcements to see where their plans lay.

This is something that has me curious. With Deadpool and Gambit, it seemed like Fox was starting to get it - focus on some of the individual characters and create some smaller films that allow audiences to get to know the characters (like Marvel did With Iron Man, Cap and Thor before combining them in Avengers).

But instead of moving forward with what seemed the start of solid plan, they seem to have stalled and won't even be attending Comic-Con.

I have to wonder if the lack of announcements (and apparent lack of progress on upcoming projects) is a big hint that there really is something going on behind the scenes.

 

[Tilapia]

I believe F4 making way back to MCU will be a full reverse unlike spidey where it shared between Marvel/Disney and Sony, because fant4stic is a total flop comercially and critically, unlike TASM 2 who are underperformed and average critically. It will be unworthy for marvel to have them back to MCU with fox demanding same deal like sony.

Likely the same reason Marvel will be hesitant bringing the FF in immediately. They have enough characters as it is with Infinity War. No room for FF. At most they can tease Galactus or SS or someone like that. The property needs a lot more time to breathe. I'm not convinced we will see a FF solo movie in PIV as opposed to an appearance by the FF, which is much more likely. If you are going the Kree-Skrull war, that's the perfect way to bring them in.

 

[ernesth100]

I thi nk Phase 4 is still the perfect time to bring them im either as the Phase 4 intro, or finale. Because lets be honest they're running out of interesting Avengers villains with out big hitters like Galactus, Kang and Doom.

 

[Zarex]

This is something that has me curious. With Deadpool and Gambit, it seemed like Fox was starting to get it - focus on some of the individual characters and create some smaller films that allow audiences to get to know the characters (like Marvel did With Iron Man, Cap and Thor before combining them in Avengers).

But instead of moving forward with what seemed the start of solid plan, they seem to have stalled and won't even be attending Comic-Con.

I have to wonder if the lack of announcements (and apparent progress on upcoming projects) is a big hint that there really is something going on behind the scenes.

I think there is a very good chance that some of the recast X-Teens are going to be left behind in the 1980s and FOX's slate of Marvel licensed productions will revolve around less expensive spinoffs set in the present - X-Force, New Mutants and more Deadpool. The Murdocks are going to be comparing the dollars thrown off by Apocalypse to those of Mr. Pool and expect more of the latter.

 

[ernesth100]

I honestly think Apocolypse qill make alot .more than Deadpool though.

 

[Zarex]

I honestly think Apocolypse qill make alot .more than Deadpool though.

I don't see it coming anywhere close. No OT cast hook, recast characters, the third "Superhero vs Superhero" film of the year, strong competition from Alice and Turtles......I think the film will be lucky to just experience a small drop off from DOFP.