The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Endeavor]

What really sad is that something like that is in the realm of possibilities.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Nothing earth-shaking, but a nice summary of recent rumors:


http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/101483944.html?page=2

 

[First Avenger]

It's possible we are on the verge of something big coming. I'm almost positive Feige has everything ready to bring FF back.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's possible we are on the verge of something big coming. I'm almost positive Feige has everything ready to bring FF back.

https://fncd.net/v?id=rTHR-PD

 

[Endeavor]

damn that counter is slowwwwww

i want it NAO

 

[First Avenger]

https://fncd.net/v?id=rTHR-PD

Yeah,I don't want to get my hopes up too much but...there are too many rumors and coincidences for this not to happen sooner or later. I mean the Spider-Man deal was a rumor for ages too.

 

[Kanon]

The positive buzz for Spidey resulting from appearing in Civil War as a new MCU version more than likely have people and Fox thinking and/or sweating

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

damn that counter is slowwwwww

i want it NAO

Under 80 days now. t:

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The positive buzz for Spidey resulting from appearing in Civil War as a new MCU version more than likely have people and Fox thinking and/or sweating

I never realized quite how dull Spidey's world felt until we got glimpses of him in the MCU. It just changes the whole feel. Up until now he's just been some guy in a costume fighting miscellaneous weirdos who pop up in NYC.

Seeing him interact with the other Marvel characters and seeing how he fits into that more interesting world changes the whole perception of the character.

You sort of get the sense in the brief clips of how cool the other heroes think he is, and that elevates him.

 

[Endeavor]

Under 80 days now. t:

But it was 80 when I checked it yesterday!
How can it only go down 1 after a full 24 hours!!!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But it was 80 when I checked it yesterday!
How can it only go down 1 after a full 24 hours!!!

The thing is, I'm not sure there will be an announcement, so I can't get that excited. . . . and even if I KNEW there would be an announcement, I wouldn't get too excited because I'd already know it was coming.

It's even possible they'll announce something prior to Comic-Con and then provide some details at SDCC.

Like, for example, they could announce in the coming weeks that they've come to an agreement with Fox and will be jointly developing some films in the future . . . and then provide some actual details and release dates at SDCC.

If the purported Marvel employee really did know something, that means word is spreading and they may not be able to keep things secret for the next 79 days. They might have to make a small announcement just to release some pressure as they work out the details.

 

[Endeavor]

I don't think we'll get something before SDCC.
And I doubt there will be any announcement of a joint FOX venture, ala SONY.
If that were the case, FOX wouldn't have pulled out of SDCC.
They would be there, front row, to bask in the free publicity.

 

[Darth_Spock]

I don't think we'll get something before SDCC.
And I doubt there will be any announcement of a joint FOX venture, ala SONY.
If that were the case, FOX wouldn't have pulled out of SDCC.
They would be there, front row, to bask in the free publicity.

Agreed! In fact it was Sony who made that Spidey deal sound like it was all their idea when it was first confirmed so I wouldn't expect anything less from Fox as far as shared universes go. Now a full retrieval of the F4 at SDCC announced by Marvel Studios wouldn't be off the table.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

 

[Orba]

Yeah I just don't see a joint production agreement happening over the Fantastic Four. The only way I could see it happening would be if it was part of a larger agreement. In an agreement like Spider-man Marvel would have Fox paying for the production and would get the option of using the Fantastic Four in their other films. The Spider-man deal only really happened because his merchandising makes Marvel so much money. But if they just waited Fox out they could get the franchise free and clear in a few years since Fox doesn't seem likely to want to try another reboot.

I suppose one possibility would be a Spider-Man like deal except with a guarantee of a reversion date. So Marvel get to make some Fantastic Four films with Fox paying the bills, get to use them in their other films, then after the second film is finished the rights go to Marvel. So Marvel get to use the the rights and Fox get the profits from a couple of good F4 films in payment. But that would be a bit of a complicated agreement for Marvel to agree to when they really don't need to, Marvel have plenty of other properties they can make without the F4 rights. And once those are made the F4 rights will be due for reversion for free.

It would pretty much Marvel doing a favour for Fox which is why I just don't see it happening unless it was a part of a far larger deal with Fox. And that would mean things like X-Men characters and we were looking at a whole new game.

So I'm happy to wait for something simple like Marvel getting the F4 rights back without any fancy deals.

 

[Dark Raven]

Fox will say that they've kindly brought the MCU into the Fox Cinematic Universe out of the goodness of their heart, allowing Marvel to share in FFINO's phenomenal success last year. But just so Marvel doesn't feel bad, they've agreed to change FFINO's cast even though it is of great pain to Fox.

 

[Quasar]

Fox will say that they've kindly brought the MCU into the Fox Cinematic Universe out of the goodness of their heart, allowing Marvel to share in FFINO's phenomenal success last year. But just so Marvel doesn't feel bad, they've agreed to change FFINO's cast even though it is of great pain to Fox.

As long as Sue is still Johnny's adopted sibling.

 

[Web-Head]

The only one I'd still want in the Fan4stic cast is Kate Mara, but that would be weird since she was already in Iron Man 2. So, I'll say Alice Eve for Sue Storm!

 

[Dark Raven]

Kate Mara was so bland and cold and really not maternal-like at all for the character of Sue.

 

[jaymes_e06]

@Orba: It's not just FF but their rogues gallery that make them worth the merger. I find Silver Surfer and Galactus much more interesting than Inhumans or even GotG imo by far.

 

[Tilapia]

Comic book characters don't have a shelf-life. Actors do. They won't/can't do this forever. So, at some point that drop-off is going to happen. That's the beauty of phase 3. Marvel is introducing a slew of new characters to replace some, if not all of the old guard of Avengers. So, when the old actors lead, people will already know about Black Panther and Captain Marvel and they will think that they're really cool and want to see more of them. People are already warming up to Scarlet Witch, Falcon, Black Panther, and Ant-Man...

By the time of Infinity War, Marvel will have solo franchises for Ant-Man, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Doctor Strange. Those 4 franchises could very possibly make the same amount of money as the three franchises of Thor, Cap, and Iron Man.

No way, no RDJ cuts the box office by at least 33%, and that will be evident when the Civil War tally doubles up TWS tally. Also expect Homecoming to get bumped an additional 100 to 150 on top of ASM2 numbers, just for the RDJ effect. Those characters will have to be retired for a while. I feel only Hulk and Thor are recastable, with Stark/Cap probably retiring or killed off in Infinity War (I'd imagine Cap bites it).

Back to FF, I don't feel like Fox will want to co-produce a FF film with Marvel if its Fox footing a significant portion of the bill. It will have to be an all or nothing deal. Marvel giving up X-Men merchandising, or some lump sum payment. The reason I feel this way is because FF is of no value to Fox, but it is of every value to Disney.

And frankly, the X-Men do not need the MCU in any way shape or form. It's a totally different animal than Sony/Spidey, as Fox has a self contained franchise that will continue to expand. Fox/X-Men control their own destiny, while Spidey/Sony needed Iron Man and Co. to leech on to for a couple films or so. FF is the biggest bargaining chip Fox has to extract resources from Disney and supplement X-Men and other IPs. Disney will have to fork something, or wait another seven years and play chicken. The longer Fox holds, the more valuable the FF become, even though that FF "stock" is currently in the dirt for the time being.

 

[Web-Head]

Kate Mara was so bland and cold and really not maternal-like at all for the character of Sue.

That was the way they portrayed it and the writing, though. That's like saying Bucky Barnes is a nice guy and a great friend to Steve Rogers and really not like the Winter Soldier at all.

 

[Dasher10]

Nothing earth-shaking, but a nice summary of recent rumors:


http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/101483944.html?page=2

It's probably something to either bring the FF into the MCU in the same way as Spider-Man and Hulk, or Marvel are getting the FF back in full and merging universes with Fox with some sort of event film.

 

[Zarex]

Back to FF, I don't feel like Fox will want to co-produce a FF film with Marvel if they are footing a significant portion of the bill. It will have to be an all or nothing deal. Marvel giving up X-Men merchandising, or some lump sum payment. The reason I feel this way is because FF is of no value to Fox, but it is of every value to Disney. And frankly, the X-Men do not need the MCU in any way shape or form. It's a totally different animal than Sony/Spidey, as Fox has a self contained franchise that will continue to expand. Fox/X-Men control their own destiny, while Spidey/Sony needed Iron Man and Co. to leech on to for a couple films or so. So in order to add value there, FF is the biggest bargaining chip. Disney will have to fork something, or wait another seven years and play chicken. The longer Fox holds, the more valuable the FF become, even though that FF "stock" is currently in the dirt for the time being.

Disagree completely. The value of the FF rights go down over time as FOX gets closer to having to put another FF film in production. They can't go cheap again - they've already done that - and given the state of the franchise Papa Murdock would have to be willing to absorb a 9 figure loss on the franchise he publicly trashed a few months back. Not gonna happen.

And I love the FF, but a franchise with 3 billion dollar films - soon to be 4 - need reinforcements a heck of a lot less than the X-Men. If it came down to a game of chicken, FOX loses.

But the question is likely moot. There's an excellent chance a deal has already been done. Did the Mouse re-open the 1993 X-Men agreement, granting FOX additional rights to a Disney owned IP because they are awfully sweet fellows? Seems wildly unlikely. I also don't see Disney would investing their resources into resurrecting the FF franchise while FOX still has their finger in the pie. We shall see.

 

[Tilapia]

I don't think anything is done on this front. Fox is not a fledgling studio that is going to get bought out or give away a valuable IP for free. These negotiations are going to go the eleventh hour. I agree the the FF stock will plummet if Fox waits 6.99 years before trying to sell it. But there will be a window there, when Disney is ready to announce a PIV slate and the Mouse is left scratching its head when Cap/Iron Man/Thor/Hulk are suddenly shelved for the time being. That's when the FF will have the most value to them, and that's when the deal will get done. Right now, there is no need to announce PIV for another two years at least. I expect the deal to get done but only when its time for Disney to take action. It won't be at this summer's CC.

 

[wobbly]

Back to FF, I don't feel like Fox will want to co-produce a FF film with Marvel if its Fox footing a significant portion of the bill. It will have to be an all or nothing deal. Marvel giving up X-Men merchandising, or some lump sum payment. The reason I feel this way is because FF is of no value to Fox, but it is of every value to Disney.

And frankly, the X-Men do not need the MCU in any way shape or form. It's a totally different animal than Sony/Spidey, as Fox has a self contained franchise that will continue to expand. Fox/X-Men control their own destiny, while Spidey/Sony needed Iron Man and Co. to leech on to for a couple films or so. FF is the biggest bargaining chip Fox has to extract resources from Disney and supplement X-Men and other IPs. Disney will have to fork something, or wait another seven years and play chicken. The longer Fox holds, the more valuable the FF become, even though that FF "stock" is currently in the dirt for the time being.

They already have: TV show rights for X-Men spin offs. Not so long ago Disney doing anything to strengthen Fox's hold over any Marvel rights was unthinkable, but something changed after FFINO crashed & burned in spectacular fashion.

The question is: What did Fox have to hand over in return for that? FF is one option, the distribution rights for Star Wars IV: ANH is another. Perhaps both were on the table since neither is worth much to Fox on their own.

Bottom line: One way or another Fox gave up something significant to get that TV deal. The Mouse wouldn't have granted that for nothing.