The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 5

[Willie Lumpkin]

I can't imagine them doing Inhumans right on a TV budget, but I do think they're moving in the right direction by adding Ghost Rider and maybe some Inhuman characters.

From the beginning, AOS has never really appealed to me because it hasn't featured comic-book characters. They seem to be slowly, gradually adding some interesting characters and powers, but it still falls short.

By comparison, WB's Flash and Supergirl shows are cheap and cheesy and not very well done - but I find myself more interested in watching them because they feature real superheroes that I know (and costumes and powers and super-powered battles with super-villains). WB's decision to not include them in the same world as their films is a huge mistake IMO, but they would have to probably improve the quality of the TV shows to make it work (and I wouldn't complain about that).

I like the Inhumans and I'd like to see them get their own film, but if that's not in the cards. It would be cool to see them done as well as possible on a TV show. If they can add some interesting characters and bring the quality up to near Netflix levels and make everything all part of one Universe (with some cameos from film characters on occasion) that would be great. If they're not going to bring the quality up, I'd frankly rather see it die than drag everything else down.

But from a broader perspective, it is interesting that these comments seem to be making the possibility of a stand-alone Inhumans film less likely.

I saw a comment a day or two ago from Feige indicating he couldn't tell us too much about Phase 4 because even revealing the titles could tell too much. I'm not sure how saying GOTG 3, Dr. Strange 2, Spider-man 2, Captain Marvel 2 etc. would give too much away, so hopefully there's something new and interesting in there.

Of course it could be a smokescreen and it might just be that they don't know which sequels will get priority, but I would be willing to bet they know exactly what the 2020 line-up (at a minimum) will be.

 

[InCali]

An Inhumans film was never one that Feige was really that interested in, its supposed to have been Perlmutter that would only allow Captain Marvel if an Inhumans film was also put on the schedule. If classic Inhumans were to start appearing in AoS it would seem to remove the need for an Inhumans film.

I'm not the religious type, but this moves me to PRAY that they do NOT bring the Royal Family into AoS. There is WAY too much good movie material for them to do that. Medusa, Black Bolt, Karnak, etc. (and don't forget my doggy) are a NATURAL for either their own movie or a FF movie (Crystal would, of course, be a natural for a FF movie). Please god, please.....I promise I'll be good. t:

Anyone for Paste Pot Pete?

 

[NHawk19]

They're still working on scripts and stories for the remaining Phase 3 films. I doubt that they know with 100% certainty anything beyond their next major "event" movie after IFW.

Having said that, IF Fantastic 4 is in the Phase 4 line-up regardless of the subtitle, it would speak volumes about potential directions.

Fox has to know they can't make another F4 film on their own, but they've got to be smart enough to know that Marvel can, and will if the rights return. And sometimes theirs value in not letting your competition get that much further ahead of you.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Can Fox try to do a TV movie that leads to a tv show for the FF similar to whats happening with the Insurgents series?!

That way they can hold the rights and make a show? Do they have to work with Marvel if it's just a TV movie?

 

[Zarex]

An Inhumans film was never one that Feige was really that interested in, its supposed to have been Perlmutter that would only allow Captain Marvel if an Inhumans film was also put on the schedule. If classic Inhumans were to start appearing in AoS it would seem to remove the need for an Inhumans film.

Feige said that "Inhumans will be part of that" when discussing future releases. So the Inhumans are coming - he wouldn't keep bringing them up if they weren't. But I doubt the Royal Family will be starring in their own feature. I could see them showing up as antagonists in an Avengers, Guardians or (oh please, oh please, oh please) FF film.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Can Fox try to do a TV movie that leads to a tv show for the FF similar to whats happening with the Insurgents series?!

That way they can hold the rights and make a show? Do they have to work with Marvel if it's just a TV movie?

Nope. Not unless it was included with the X-Men TV deal (and I'd be willing to bet it wasn't).

Their contract is for live-action theatrical releases.

 

[Zarex]

Can Fox try to do a TV movie that leads to a tv show for the FF similar to whats happening with the Insurgents series?!

That way they can hold the rights and make a show? Do they have to work with Marvel if it's just a TV movie?

FOX didn't have live action TV rights to the X-Men character family, so I would assume the situation is the same with the FF. They would have to cut a deal with the Mouse to make it happen, and I doubt very much that Disney/Marvel would bite.

Additionally, the only way to put the First Family on TV and not have it look ridiculous would be to go the CGI route ala "Star Wars: Rebels". And Marvel holds clear TV animation rights to the FF character family.

 

[Kanon]

I'm not the religious type, but this moves me to PRAY that they do NOT bring the Royal Family into AoS. There is WAY too much good movie material for them to do that. Medusa, Black Bolt, Karnak, etc. (and don't forget my doggy) are a NATURAL for either their own movie or a FF movie (Crystal would, of course, be a natural for a FF movie). Please god, please.....I promise I'll be good. t:

Anyone for Paste Pot Pete?

I hate the idea of the royal family in AoS, instead of a solo film, or opposed to the FF, but I can't think of prominent inhumans not directly related to the royal family... The source article wasn't very clear on that aspect, so who know, maybe it's nothing.

Can Fox try to do a TV movie that leads to a tv show for the FF similar to whats happening with the Insurgents series?!

That way they can hold the rights and make a show? Do they have to work with Marvel if it's just a TV movie?

I don't think they can do anything on TV, just theatrical films.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

(oh please, oh please, oh please) FF film.

As much as I'd like to see an Inhumans film, it would be hard to watch it and not be annoyed that FF would still be stuck at Fox and that key part of the Inhuman's history would just not be there.

 

[InCali]

They're still working on scripts and stories for the remaining Phase 3 films. I doubt that they know with 100% certainty anything beyond their next major "event" movie after IFW.

Having said that, IF Fantastic 4 is in the Phase 4 line-up regardless of the subtitle, it would speak volumes about potential directions.

Fox has to know they can't make another F4 film on their own, but they've got to be smart enough to know that Marvel can, and will if the rights return. And sometimes theirs value in not letting your competition get that much further ahead of you.

A valid point. Still, do you want to get nothing or something from a deal with Marvel? That's the other side of the equation. A deal that would benefit both companies IS out there. It just depends on how much Marvel wants the Fox owned characters back. Fox can get nothing and delay the transition (which will then be used by Marvel) or get something and allow Marvel to move ahead earlier.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Thanks guys my next question would be if Fox in some alternate reality were to reboot and do everything right, seemingly get great actors that fit their respective roles, made the villains and look of the production comic accurate for the most part would anyone go see it?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I hate the idea of the royal family in AoS, instead of a solo film, or opposed to the FF, but I can't think of prominent inhumans not directly related to the royal family... The source article wasn't very clear on that aspect, so who know, maybe it's nothing.

Yeah, they could have someone like Crystal or Medusa in the human world act as something of an introduction and hint that there was a whole population of Inhumans hidden away somewhere and then the film could unveil Attilan and show it in all its glory.

I was a little nervous that AOS was going to create Attilan (and I'm still not sure they won't). I certainly hope they treat it as something that has been around a long time and not something that just popped up after people started eating fish pills.

 

[InCali]

Thanks guys my next question would be if Fox in some alternate reality were to reboot and do everything right seemingly get great actor that fit their respective roles and made the villains and look of the production comic accurate for the most part would anyone go see it?

I think the reboot is in place. To do it again at this time would be too much. The actors in X-Men are very, very fine actors (unless you think McAvoy and Fassbender aren't good actors ). What they need is an imaginative story, a good script and someone to direct it.

 

[Kanon]

Yeah, they could have someone like Crystal or Medusa in the human world act as something of an introduction and hint that there was a whole population of Inhumans hidden away somewhere and then the film could unveil Attilan and show it in all its glory.

I was a little nervous that AOS was going to create Attilan (and I'm still not sure they won't). I certainly hope they treat it as something that has been around a long time and not something that just popped up after people started eating fish pills.

So far, I think it's open to Attilan on Earth being a lost civilization, they could even find it as an abandoned ancient city, and eventually work the (non-generic AoS) Inhumans living on the moon on their movie.

 

[jaymes_e06]

What are you talking about InCali? I was talking about FF...

 

[Kanon]

What are you talking about InCali? I was talking about FF...

Inhumans have been central to Agents of Shield, so far with generic inhumans, their Kree origin, and hints of Attilan. There are reports that more prominent inhumans can appear in the show, and that leaves the idea of the Inhumans movie in a weird place (I think maybe even making room for a FF movie)

It's unrelated to the FF tv movie question

EDIT: misread the whole thing

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Thanks guys my next question would be if Fox in some alternate reality were to reboot and do everything right, seemingly get great actors that fit their respective roles, made the villains and look of the production comic accurate for the most part would anyone go see it?

Speaking for myself, NO!!!.

I was absolutely giving them that chance last time around and even argued with some around here to give Fox a chance . . . before we got that awful cast.

But after they didn't just fail, but failed in an epic way (while insulting the fans the whole time they were doing it), I'm not giving them another chance in this life-time - unless Marvel is involved.

Even if they claim they're doing everything right, I have no faith or trust in them anymore.

Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me 4 times . . . **** YOU FOX! **** YOU SO MUCH!!! DIE AND GO TO HELL.


I hope I'm not being too subtle.

 

[InCali]

What are you talking about InCali? I was talking about FF...

The way my mind works is sometimes a mystery.....even to me.

I think I must have been reading something about Fox/X-Men or whatever....stream of (un)consciousness if you will.....

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I still haven't seen Deadpool or AOA yet, and I won't see another Fox Superhero film until they're (at the very least) sharing the rights with Marvel.

If Fox announces another FF film, I'll stop going to Fox films altogether and stop watching any Fox related networks and do some research to make sure I don't accidentally consume any Fox products of any kind.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The way my mind works is sometimes a mystery.....even to me.

 

[Kanon]

Thanks guys my next question would be if Fox in some alternate reality were to reboot and do everything right, seemingly get great actors that fit their respective roles, made the villains and look of the production comic accurate for the most part would anyone go see it?

Maybe they could get to half of the fanbase, but it's a huge stretch even with Fox making everything PERFECT (like big budget, comic accurate, great stars, involving fans and comic creators in the production). And still, I believe it would be a long term investment, the first movie would have to struggle with the memory of the previous installments (it would be a Batman Begins scenario). Fox seems more interested in getting a quick return of investment...

 

[InCali]

Thanks guys my next question would be if Fox in some alternate reality were to reboot and do everything right, seemingly get great actors that fit their respective roles, made the villains and look of the production comic accurate for the most part would anyone go see it?

OK. I just returned from some other alternate reality and disposed of the evil twin that was inhabiting my mind. While Fox COULD do that (with FF t, it would be a stupid move. Why? Because the public has generally lost trust that Fox COULD pull this off. Even if they did (which seems to be a stretch given their track record with FF), the box office wouldn't reflect the quality of the movie. They'd have to knock it out of the park probably 3 times in a row to win people over and I don't think they could do that and I don't think it would be worth it to them even if they could.

I think Fox is out of the FF business and I "heard" that they can't use them as auxilliary characters (In an X-Men movie for example). Not sure whether or not that's true.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Maybe they could get to half of the fanbase, but it's a huge stretch even with Fox making everything PERFECT (like big budget, comic accurate, great stars, involving fans and comic creators in the production). And still, I believe it would be a long term investment, the first movie would have to struggle with the memory of the previous installments (it would be a Batman Begins scenario). Fox seems more interested in getting a quick return of investment...

I think even with Marvel there would be an issue with some of the casual fans who don't understand the details like we do. The key thing Marvel has is the ability to introduce the characters in other Marvel films and get fans interested in a new, stand-alone FF film.

Look how well that worked with Spider-man. After ASM2, I (and I believe many) were experiencing Spider-man fatigue. If ASM3 had come out this year, maybe I would have gone, maybe I'd just wait for the video. But even if I did go, I wouldn't be very excited.

Now, after getting a glimpse of the new Spider-man in CW, I'm looking forward to the next one as much or more than any other upcoming Marvel films.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I "heard" that they can't use them as auxilliary characters (In an X-Men movie for example). Not sure whether or not that's true.

I'm as close as I can be to 100% certain that's true.

 

[InCali]

I'm as close as I can be to 100% certain that's true.

That really limits their options and your point about Marvel being able to bring them in via another well received and attended movie (Like IW2 for example), is spot on. I could see the aftermath of the defeat of Thanos causing the FF to get their powers from what is perceived to be a freak accident. While in the comics the FF preceeded any battles with Thanos, you could still do a faithful retelling of the FF's origin story. I think it would/could be awesome.