The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Zarex]

I love how people are acting like Kevin Feige addressed live action FF rights in the Collider interview when that clearly wasn't the case. And this isn't Marvel in the 1990s. It doesn't make any sense for Disney to sell off extended IP rights to a competitor without gaining IP rights in return.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think Feige's comments were designed to say: "Things weren't as bad as people thought they were between us and Fox."

That's probably not true, but it's the politically correct thing to say. Just like it was the politically correct thing - prior to Fant4stic - for Feige or anyone else at Marvel to say: "We're 100% behind the film"

Things have changed. Marvel is working with Fox on a TV show. That wouldn't have happened two years ago.

It may not have been a "frozen wasteland" before, and it may not be a "tropical paradise" now, but evidence indicates it's "better" than it used to be.

 

[Spiderine]

I find it funny when people put much stock in comments made by studio reps or directors or producers or even actors before anything official is announced as if its final word. These people are not going to say anything until they are allowed to do so.

Remember that time Fiege let us in on the secret deal they were working on with Sony before it became official. Because I don't..........

But I remember all the denials being made about any talks going on between the two. Maybe certain people think Feige will let us in on the behind the scene deals with FOX because he being pressured by the fans.

 

[Dasher10]

I find it funny when people put much stock in comments made by studio reps or directors or producers or even actors before anything official is announced as if its final word. These people are not going to say anything until they are allowed to do so.

Remember that time Fiege let us in on the secret deal they were working on with Sony before it became official. Because I don't..........

But I remember all the denials being made about any talks going on between the two. Maybe certain people think Feige will let us in on the behind the scene deals with FOX because he being pressured by the fans.

Most of the time, it's not that fans are being kept in the dark. It's that the studios don't have anything to announce. By announcing all of Phase 3 before Phase 2 was over, Marvel proved themselves to be transparent. They're still figuring things out on their end.

 

[rockman1216]

Most of the time, it's not that fans are being kept in the dark. It's that the studios don't have anything to announce. By announcing all of Phase 3 before Phase 2 was over, Marvel proved themselves to be transparent. They're still figuring things out on their end.

Actually that's not 100 percent accurate, they didn't announce the Spider-Man movie for Phase 3, even though that was plan A(Sony needed to decide), what they announced was Plan B.
They probably have something to announce or at least possibly something to announce but it isn't 100 percent concrete like in Sony's case, or it could be that Fox wants to get Logan out of the way, before they let Marvel announce any X-MEN or Fantastic Four stuff coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Which probably works for Marvel because their probably won't need to announce anything just yet, because it won't materialize until 2019-2020.

 

[TheVileOne]

I love how everyone was acting like it was "obvious" a deal was made just in exchange for a tv show. It was obvious that wasn't the case always. Why people are trying to make fetch happen idk why.

I think because the Spider-Man deal happened, people expect it to happen with Fantastic Four now and it will be a similar situation. And maybe the people who make up these rumors feel by reporting them that by reporting them, they can turn speculation into reality through pure will.

 

[Dasher10]

Actually that's not 100 percent accurate, they didn't announce the Spider-Man movie for Phase 3, even though that was plan A(Sony needed to decide), what they announced was Plan B.
They probably have something to announce or at least possibly something to announce but it isn't 100 percent concrete like in Sony's case, or it could be that Fox wants to get Logan out of the way, before they let Marvel announce any X-MEN or Fantastic Four stuff coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Which probably works for Marvel because their probably won't need to announce anything just yet, because it won't materialize until 2019-2020.

The Spider-Man deal was still in the works when Phase 3 was originally announced.

I think that Marvel and Fox are working on a deal but it requires a lot of things to be worked out. Bringing the X-Men into the MCU means a story that involves both time travel and alternate universes. We'll most likely see the FF in the MCU before that but even then, it won't be as easy as the Sony deal since the FF don't move as much merch and Marvel want to know that they'll get a return investment. I'm not expecting to hear anything until 2018 at the absolute earliest but probably not until 2019.

 

[SyntaxError]

Just got back for Doctor Strange and I can't help feeling so, so frustrated that the Fantastic Four is in the hands of studio executives that don't understand the material instead of the visionaries at Marvel.

 

[rockman1216]

The Spider-Man deal was still in the works when Phase 3 was originally announced.

I think that Marvel and Fox are working on a deal but it requires a lot of things to be worked out. Bringing the X-Men into the MCU means a story that involves both time travel and alternate universes. We'll most likely see the FF in the MCU before that but even then, it won't be as easy as the Sony deal since the FF don't move as much merch and Marvel want to know that they'll get a return investment. I'm not expecting to hear anything until 2018 at the absolute earliest but probably not until 2019.

Bring the X-Men into the MCU wouldn't have to involve time travel at all, the mutants could just be an off shoot of the Inhumans possibly a result of Weapon X experimentation, or Celestial experimentation doesn't really matter as long as powerless people can give birth to powered people doesn't matter, which caused their Inhumans genes to mutate unlocking their powers, but their children could unlock their powers naturally, sometimes though this wasn't the case, and it would have to be unlocked by other means(see Scarlet Witch, Deadpool, and Quicksilver), but their genes were no longer receptive to Terrigen, and attempting to use the mist would cause their powers to unlock, but they would be unstable. Marvel and Fox could add Deadpool, and Legion to MCU canon, and start a new X-MEN franchise from there. Magneto along with most of mutantkind could be on Genosha ploting to take down the human race and cause a mutant take over, the X-MEN could be street level superheroes in New York. Deadpool is probably taking a break from the mercenary buisness, and having sex with Copycat. Legion could be in the mental ward in the MCU. Mutants could be seen as either Enhanced or Inhumans in the Marvel Cinematic Universe until Magneto comes to claim mutant dominance.

 

[Flint Marko]

Just noticed this: if you go to Marvels official website and look under "movies", the last Fox movie to be officially added to their website was DOFP. FFINO, Deadpool, and Apocalypse are absent from this page.

http://marvel.com/movies/all

Does this imply that things soured with Fox after/around the release of DOFP? The first inkling I heard of conflict between the two was when Fox pettily declined Marvel's request to use Silver Surfer and Galactus, but I believe that was in 2013.

 

[Random490]

Just noticed this: if you go to Marvels official website and look under "movies", the last Fox movie to be officially added to their website was DOFP. FFINO, Deadpool, and Apocalypse are absent from this page.

http://marvel.com/movies/all

Does this imply that things soured with Fox after/around the release of DOFP? The first inkling I heard of conflict between the two was when Fox pettily declined Marvel's request to use Silver Surfer and Galactus, but I believe that was in 2013.

Probably more like someone being lazy/that page being low priority than some kind of nefarious snubbing.

 

[Dasher10]

Bring the X-Men into the MCU wouldn't have to involve time travel at all, the mutants could just be an off shoot of the Inhumans possibly a result of Weapon X experimentation, or Celestial experimentation doesn't really matter as long as powerless people can give birth to powered people doesn't matter, which caused their Inhumans genes to mutate unlocking their powers, but their children could unlock their powers naturally, sometimes though this wasn't the case, and it would have to be unlocked by other means(see Scarlet Witch, Deadpool, and Quicksilver), but their genes were no longer receptive to Terrigen, and attempting to use the mist would cause their powers to unlock, but they would be unstable. Marvel and Fox could add Deadpool, and Legion to MCU canon, and start a new X-MEN franchise from there. Magneto along with most of mutantkind could be on Genosha ploting to take down the human race and cause a mutant take over, the X-MEN could be street level superheroes in New York. Deadpool is probably taking a break from the mercenary buisness, and having sex with Copycat. Legion could be in the mental ward in the MCU. Mutants could be seen as either Enhanced or Inhumans in the Marvel Cinematic Universe until Magneto comes to claim mutant dominance.

Yeah but I don't want to scrap the entire X-Men cast. I feel like we got a better Cyclops and Storm this time around and I don't want to lose Sheriden and Shipp. I also feel like Michael Fassbender and Ryan Reynolds are great as Magneto and Deadpool. Even if only Deadpool were added to the MCU, that's still in a different continuity than Legion. it isn't worth recasting the X-Men.

I'd rather see a story about time travel and alternate universes since A. It's the easiest way to bring Quicksilver back to the MCU and B. House of M and Secret Wars could be adapted. It isn't like there aren't storylines already existing which Marvel could use to have the Avengers and X-Men meet up in a way which retains both casts.

The only reason why it's tricky is that it needs to be an event film that both studios need to build up to. The FF are easier to bring in since there's no overlapping character like Quicksilver nor is there any ongoing FF film after Fox's second franchise got canceled. I really feel like the Fantastic Four are going to come to the MCU first and then Phase 4 is going to end with some sort of event that merges universes.

 

[rockman1216]

Yeah but I don't want to scrap the entire X-Men cast. I feel like we got a better Cyclops and Storm this time around and I don't want to lose Sheriden and Shipp. I also feel like Michael Fassbender and Ryan Reynolds are great as Magneto and Deadpool. Even if only Deadpool were added to the MCU, that's still in a different continuity than Legion. it isn't worth recasting the X-Men.

I'd rather see a story about time travel and alternate universes since A. It's the easiest way to bring Quicksilver back to the MCU and B. House of M and Secret Wars could be adapted. It isn't like there aren't storylines already existing which Marvel could use to have the Avengers and X-Men meet up in a way which retains both casts.

The only reason why it's tricky is that it needs to be an event film that both studios need to build up to. The FF are easier to bring in since there's no overlapping character like Quicksilver nor is there any ongoing FF film after Fox's second franchise got canceled. I really feel like the Fantastic Four are going to come to the MCU first and then Phase 4 is going to end with some sort of event that merges universes.

Ryan Reynolds can stay his movie isn't overtly in the X-MEN timeline, it can easily be added into MCU canon, hell even Ryan Reynolds himself said that Deadpool is not affected by the DOFP timeline. If Marvel is using Quicksilver it will be the Age of Ultron one not the Even Peters version.
Mystique isn't coming back, Fassbender hasn't signed on for another one, neither has McAvoy. The thing about Merging Universes is that the X-MEN franchise in of itself is a multiverse, full of plotholes, retcons and a nonsensical timeline it would just raise far too many questions.
Legion itself is in a parallel universe which has the promise of future films taking place in that universe that Legion and possibly Deadpool inhabit.

Marvel should recast the X-MEN and their villains they will do a great job at it, like how they did a great job at recasting Spider-Man. Deadpool should be left alone though which considering it's a spin-off(which are under control of Fox and Sony it probably will be left alone.

Also even if it were to be a universe merger, your not going to get Shipp or Sheridan anyway, due to the fact of that movie being a period piece taking place in the X-MEN Days of Future Past timeline, you will be getting the older X-MEN, not the younger ones. Unless the ending of DOFP takes place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe which it doesn't, because if that was the case then Logan would have made a mention of the Avengers, but it hasn't.

They can't merge with the 80s X-MEN because it would create a time paradox, and a giant plothole, and raise too many questions.

If you want Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool you ain't getting Shipp, or Sheridan even with Time travel because it would create a paradox and a cluster**** that would cause audiences to not like the movie in which it happens.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Curious... does anyone know what's going on with X-Men now at Fox? Apocalypse got a mixed (at best) reaction. So what's their next move there? I know Logan is coming out and Deadpool 2 is in the works, but are there any plans beyond the solo films? Has anything concrete come out about another X-Men team movie?

 

[Zarex]

Curious... does anyone know what's going on with X-Men now at Fox? Apocalypse got a mixed (at best) reaction. So what's their next move there? I know Logan is coming out and Deadpool 2 is in the works, but are there any plans beyond the solo films? Has anything concrete come out about another X-Men team movie?

I don't think anyone knows what's going on at FOX. The talk from Kinberg and Singer was that the X-Men were going into space in their next installment, but the large drop off at the BO and poor critical response to XM:A, along with the loss of (at least) Jackman and Lawrence may have put X-Men 7 on the way back burner.

Deadpool 2 looks an awful lot like a X-Force prequel, so those two are somewhat solid. But where do you slot New Mutants? Does that become your 90s era X-Men film or do you leave the FC team behind and make them contemporaries of Deadpool and the X-Forcers?

The (good?) thing is we know the folks at FOX won't let a silly thing like franchise continuity impact any future mutant movies.

 

[Spiderine]

Just reading some of these suggestions for merging alternate universes, time travel paradoxes and multiverses with the FOX Xverse is enough to give people headaches. You are asking for trouble. It will be like an iceberg to the MCU Titanic. The only thing I will gladly accept is Deadpool. It stands on its own right now.

They were smart enough to scrap all the previous Sony Spiderman stuff to allow themselves a clean slate. Much easier that way.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think you'd wipe the slate clean and simply have it that mutants have been around and among humans. We simply haven't heard about them or the story never addressed them until now.

Case in point, the sorcerers of Doctor Strange and The Ancient One have been around for centuries and perhaps thousands of years. Yet before Doctor Strange we didn't know about actual wizards and sorcerers yet.

And on Agents of SHIELD, there's been a Ghost Rider that's been around for how long, and none of the other major characters had seen or had contact with him before. It's possible the Ghost Riders have also been around forever.

It would only be a headache if you make it one.

 

[Orba]

I think you'd wipe the slate clean and simply have it that mutants have been around and among humans. We simply haven't heard about them or the story never addressed them until now.

Case in point, the sorcerers of Doctor Strange and The Ancient One have been around for centuries and perhaps thousands of years. Yet before Doctor Strange we didn't know about actual wizards and sorcerers yet.

And on Agents of SHIELD, there's been a Ghost Rider that's been around for how long, and none of the other major characters had seen or had contact with him before. It's possible the Ghost Riders have also been around forever.

It would only be a headache if you make it one.

They just need to keep the Mutant population small so that it would be easy for them to have kept their existence essentially unknown. If you look at the comics the population is usually not large, the few times that writers have caused the Mutant population to explode in numbers its normally been followed by a mass extinction event like the Cassandra Nova's attack on Genosha and M-Day in order to get things back to a manageable level.

A secret war between the X-Men and Magneto, while the public as a whole are only just starting to learn of their existence. If you look at the original X-Men film (ignoring the later revisions and retcons) that appears to be what was going on (otherwise why do the X-Men have all the equipment and uniforms).

 

[Spiderine]

I think you'd wipe the slate clean and simply have it that mutants have been around and among humans. We simply haven't heard about them or the story never addressed them until now.

Case in point, the sorcerers of Doctor Strange and The Ancient One have been around for centuries and perhaps thousands of years. Yet before Doctor Strange we didn't know about actual wizards and sorcerers yet.

And on Agents of SHIELD, there's been a Ghost Rider that's been around for how long, and none of the other major characters had seen or had contact with him before. It's possible the Ghost Riders have also been around forever.

It would only be a headache if you make it one.

This is fine if you are taking this approach. Because you are properly introducing mutants into the world of the MCU just like you did Thor and the 9 realms, the Ghost Riders, or existence of wizards and sorcery. And like you said its a clean slate to do whatever the MCU writers want without trying to explain a bunch of convoluted BS.

Dasher is advocating keeping what FOX has established over 16 years with the Xverse and merging it with the MCU as it stands. Some type of wormhole between the two continuities. For what? Just so we can keep the actors? So far they have done an outstanding job of building this universe introducing things one step at a time in a simple manner.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Just noticed this: if you go to Marvels official website and look under "movies", the last Fox movie to be officially added to their website was DOFP. FFINO, Deadpool, and Apocalypse are absent from this page.

http://marvel.com/movies/all

Does this imply that things soured with Fox after/around the release of DOFP? The first inkling I heard of conflict between the two was when Fox pettily declined Marvel's request to use Silver Surfer and Galactus, but I believe that was in 2013.

Interesting points.

All the MCU movie posters are up to date with Dr. Strange being the most recent.

So basically Marvel isn't doing Fox any favors anytime after The Wolverine.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Recast & Reboot MCU The Uncanny X-Men

 

[Dasher10]

Just reading some of these suggestions for merging alternate universes, time travel paradoxes and multiverses with the FOX Xverse is enough to give people headaches. You are asking for trouble. It will be like an iceberg to the MCU Titanic. The only thing I will gladly accept is Deadpool. It stands on its own right now.

They were smart enough to scrap all the previous Sony Spiderman stuff to allow themselves a clean slate. Much easier that way.

Except most of the X-Men films weren't as terribad as Sony's last three Spider-Man movies. I also really hold Secret Wars and House of M in very high regard and I'd love to see time and space break apart at the end of Phase 4. Something involving Kang's plan in case of death to completely split reality into pieces. Phase 5 would be the world reform the MCU in a new way.

 

[Dasher10]

This is fine if you are taking this approach. Because you are properly introducing mutants into the world of the MCU just like you did Thor and the 9 realms, the Ghost Riders, or existence of wizards and sorcery. And like you said its a clean slate to do whatever the MCU writers want without trying to explain a bunch of convoluted BS.

Dasher is advocating keeping what FOX has established over 16 years with the Xverse and merging it with the MCU as it stands. Some type of wormhole between the two continuities. For what? Just so we can keep the actors? So far they have done an outstanding job of building this universe introducing things one step at a time in a simple manner.

I never said as it stands. I'm all for something happening where worlds collide, we get a new world for one film and then various characters are displaced in the MCU. I'd even bring in a younger Hank Pym to become the new Yellowjacket.

 

[First Avenger]

The more movies marvel makes and the deeper it gets into the comics mithology,the more I want them to make a F4 movie. After seeing what they've done with the various Avengers,Guardians and now Doctor Strange,it's such a shame they don't have access to their first superheroes.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The more movies marvel makes and the deeper it gets into the comics mithology,the more I want them to make a F4 movie. After seeing what they've done with the various Avengers,Guardians and now Doctor Strange,it's such a shame they don't have access to their first superheroes.

When I was a kid the characters that defined the Marvel Universe even to non-Marvel fans (the ones you could get on T-Shirts, posters etc. and that people had at least seen even if they never opened a comic book) were :

Spider-Man
Hulk
Thing
Captain America
Thor
Dr. Strange
Iron Man
Dr. Doom

Now that Dr. Strange is out, we've seen six of those eight characters on the big-screen brought to life nearly perfectly as we imagined them when we were kids.

That's why I was hoping and saying (until it was clear there was no hope) that if Fox at least got Thing and Doom right, the movie would be worth seeing just for them.

It looks like it will be many years before we get those two, key missing pieces.