The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 7

[Willie Lumpkin]

However, the FF time table might be less given how hastily they pushed FFINO into production after sitting on their plans for 5 years: That crap officially started principle photography on May 5, 2014, a little under 7 years after FF2: ROTTS (June 15, 2007).

That's why I believe the FF numbers are closer to 7 years even. If it had been 7 years and 9 months, they wouldn't have had to start shooting until early 2015.

And I believe it they had that kind of window they would have fired Josh Trank in early 2014 and started (relatively) fresh (as Marvel did with Ant-Man).

 

[Darth_Spock]

Iirc the time scale post ROTSS (2007) was:

1) 2009 - Announced they were gonna reboot, a darker, gritter take since TDK had just come out and was all the rage

2) 2012 - Trank, on the back of his success with Chronicle was signed on as Director.

3) Late 2013 - one casting confirmation (MBJ) and production locations/extras being secured.

4) Early to Spring 2014 - Casting sorted and started filming.

5) Summer 2015 - Released.


If they follow the same pattern they'd announce a reboot this year, sign a director in 2020, and start filming in 2022 for a release in 2023.

If they are gonna be stupid and go last minute again they might not announce anything for a good while yet (and it's in their interests not to...), but they will have to have something solid in the works by 2020/2021 at the latest.

Hopefully will be a moot point by then.

And IIRC, it took them 2 script rewrites before Kinberg came in and started scribbling random crap while filming. FastForward to today and they can't even make a good enough script to green light Gambit's solo.

Plus Fox isn't even sure how Alien: Covenant will do and that's in good hands (director wise anyway) so entertaining a Silver Surfer spin-off at this point would be a bad idea with no one on board even fighting for one like RR did with DP.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Long time lurker, first time poster (on this thread, anyway) with something I found interesting on Marvel's youtube channel.

They usually have short videos called Marvel 101 which gives a feature on characters which could be in the MCU. Which means no X-Men or Fantastic Four characters. Until recently, when there was a short featuring the Silver Surfer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPXFu1nL7gQ

So, what does this mean? Maybe nothing regarding rights issues. I don't know, but its nice to see Silver Surfer get some recognition.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Long time lurker, first time poster (on this thread, anyway) with something I found interesting on Marvel's youtube channel.

They usually have short videos called Marvel 101 which gives a feature on characters which could be in the MCU. Which means no X-Men or Fantastic Four characters. Until recently, when there was a short featuring the Silver Surfer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPXFu1nL7gQ

So, what does this mean? Maybe nothing regarding rights issues. I don't know, but its nice to see Silver Surfer get some recognition.

That is interesting in that I did a search for Marvel 101 on youtube and everything I saw was clearly Marvel - except Silver Surfer and Legion (and we know Legion is a joint project). There were a lot of them, and I probably didn't see all of them, but Silver Surfer does seem to stand out from a rights-status point of view based on a very quick skimming.

Anyone else want to take a closer look and see if you can find any other exceptions?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

... and 90% of them seem to be characters in current or upcoming films or TV shows.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

That is interesting in that I did a search for Marvel 101 on youtube and everything I saw was clearly Marvel - except Silver Surfer and Legion (and we know Legion is a joint project). There were a lot of them, and I probably didn't see all of them, but Silver Surfer does seem to stand out from a rights-status point of view based on a very quick skimming.

Yeah, that's why I think its noticeable that Silver Surfer has a Marvel 101 video about him. There might be various reasons why. Maybe his ties to Ego might have something to do with it, but I'm just speculating.

And its sad that Legion has a Marvel 101 video over Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, or even his own father!

... and 90% of them seem to be characters in current or upcoming films or TV shows.

Understandable. Marvel does want to promote its MCU projects any way it can.

 

[Spiderine]

I dont really want to make anything of this but it is indeed interesting. If there was anything to this then it would support my theory that Marvel and FOX could have simply swapped these characters for something else FOX may have wanted. FOX may continue this routine until the whole FF property reverts. Getting little things in return for giving Marvel certain characters.

Once again.......just entertaining this notion.

 

[Nick Morton]

I dont really want to make anything of this but it is indeed interesting. If there was anything to this then it would support my theory that Marvel and FOX could have simply swapped these characters for something else FOX may have wanted. FOX may continue this routine until the whole FF property reverts. Getting little things in return for giving Marvel certain characters.

Once again.......just entertaining this notion.

Or Disney got something & NOT MARVEL which is the remaining Star Wars rights FOX had since thats more valuable for Disney than F4 ever will be

 

[Zarex]

Pop

Long time lurker, first time poster (on this thread, anyway) with something I found interesting on Marvel's youtube channel.

They usually have short videos called Marvel 101 which gives a feature on characters which could be in the MCU. Which means no X-Men or Fantastic Four characters. Until recently, when there was a short featuring the Silver Surfer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPXFu1nL7gQ

So, what does this mean? Maybe nothing regarding rights issues. I don't know, but its nice to see Silver Surfer get some recognition.

Way to knock it out of the park on your first KHA post! Excluding Legion, who is involved in a joint project, the Surfer is the only (formerly?) FOX controlled character of the 73 on Marvel 101. Feige wanted to get Norrin back for GOTG. It would be FANTASTIC if they got him back for Vol 2. Or the Planet Hulk section of Ragnarock.

 

[Spiderine]

Or Disney got something & NOT MARVEL which is the remaining Star Wars rights FOX had since thats more valuable for Disney than F4 ever will be

I won't doubt something changed hands. But I believe anything Star Wars related like those extremely valuable SW rights would have likely warranted an announcement by both entities by now. Thats massive news.

They may continue to remain low key about simple supporting characters from FF reverting back until a proper time. They didn't call a press conference for EGO.

 

[Zarex]

FOX just got a big chunk of change from TBS for the Star Wars cable rights. It's going to take big money to pry the first movie away from the Murdochs.

 

[Zarex]

That is interesting in that I did a search for Marvel 101 on youtube and everything I saw was clearly Marvel - except Silver Surfer and Legion (and we know Legion is a joint project). There were a lot of them, and I probably didn't see all of them, but Silver Surfer does seem to stand out from a rights-status point of view based on a very quick skimming.

Anyone else want to take a closer look and see if you can find any other exceptions?

Just saw Thundra, who I presume is (was?) with the FF rights.

 

[Spiderine]

Maybe the icy freeze is about to thaw with the debut of Legion inching closer. Marvel can start teasing certain characters like Surfer that "perhaps" are now in their possession. Maybe Im reading to much into it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Just saw Thundra, who I presume is (was?) with the FF rights.

I noticed her also, but there's no way to know if she was or wasn't packaged with FF. Sure, she would fit there, but I don't know if Marvel would have specifically included her on the characters they put together with FF - she certainly wouldn't be a required character, and she would probably be a good one to hold back. And I'm sure Fox wouldn't have demanded she be included.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I dont really want to make anything of this but it is indeed interesting. If there was anything to this then it would support my theory that Marvel and FOX could have simply swapped these characters for something else FOX may have wanted. FOX may continue this routine until the whole FF property reverts. Getting little things in return for giving Marvel certain characters.

Once again.......just entertaining this notion.

I certainly think that's possible. Probably not likely, but more likely than Marvel having the complete rights package.

One other thing that could be a small clue was this:

http://www.slashfilm.com/avengers-infinity-war-script-update/

When Christopher Markus said:

"When we lock ourselves in a room with the Russo brothers and a couple of execs from Marvel, one wall has cards for movie one and the other wall has cards for movie two and another wall has little baseball cards of every character still alive in the Marvel universe —"

Then Stephen McFeely continued:

"Down to Darcy’s boyfriend in Thor 2 – literally, anybody who did not die and has been established as alive. And then we looked at that began to shuffle the cards around. So basically, the big scene is when Darcy’s boyfriend and Galactus get together and….[Laughs]."

I remember when I first read that I thought it probably wasn't very telling and he said Galactus even though Galactus wasn't on the cards.

But then I imagined that if I were locked in a room with a bunch of characters on cards, and I was throwing out a joke with two very different characters interacting, I think my brain would just naturally go to two characters who actually were on cards - not one that was on a card and one that wasn't in the set.

 

[Spiderine]

I certainly think that's possible. Probably not likely, but more likely than Marvel having the complete rights package.

One other thing that could be a small clue was this:

http://www.slashfilm.com/avengers-infinity-war-script-update/

When Christopher Markus said:

"When we lock ourselves in a room with the Russo brothers and a couple of execs from Marvel, one wall has cards for movie one and the other wall has cards for movie two and another wall has little baseball cards of every character still alive in the Marvel universe —"

Then Stephen McFeely continued:

"Down to Darcy’s boyfriend in Thor 2 – literally, anybody who did not die and has been established as alive. And then we looked at that began to shuffle the cards around. So basically, the big scene is when Darcy’s boyfriend and Galactus get together and….[Laughs]."

I remember when I first read that I thought it probably wasn't very telling and he said Galactus even though Galactus wasn't on the cards.

But then I imagined that if I were locked in a room with a bunch of characters on cards, and I was throwing out a joke with two very different characters interacting, I think my brain would just naturally go to two characters who actually were on cards - not one that was on a card and one that wasn't in the set.

I remember seeing this and thinking the exact same thing. Maybe it was just a joke and maybe he was just throwing out the most powerful being off the top of his head and the name Galactus just popped in there.

My immediate thought was why not Thanos? The guy currently being billed as the most powerful. If they got the entire FF property then I would literally dance in the street. But knowing FOX and how much they knew Marvel wanted Surfer/Galactus maybe they dangled it as bait. If Galactus shows up on one of those vids Im losing it.

 

[wobbly]

Looking at the list for the Marvel 101 on Youtube the dates are interesting. The Surfer got listed after Ego, and while Galactus is shown he isn't named. There's Mantis and the Collector as recent additions too.

Maybe Thundra has a cameo in the arena for Thor Ragnorak? I don't what they have done with her lately in the books but she seems a bit obscure to merit a slot?

 

[wobbly]

Just saw Thundra, who I presume is (was?) with the FF rights.

The way the rights were bundled is a bit all over the place. I wouldn't go by who a character was introduced with to determine where the rights might stand today.

 

[wobbly]

I certainly think that's possible. Probably not likely, but more likely than Marvel having the complete rights package.

One other thing that could be a small clue was this:

http://www.slashfilm.com/avengers-infinity-war-script-update/

When Christopher Markus said:

"When we lock ourselves in a room with the Russo brothers and a couple of execs from Marvel, one wall has cards for movie one and the other wall has cards for movie two and another wall has little baseball cards of every character still alive in the Marvel universe —"

Then Stephen McFeely continued:

"Down to Darcy’s boyfriend in Thor 2 – literally, anybody who did not die and has been established as alive. And then we looked at that began to shuffle the cards around. So basically, the big scene is when Darcy’s boyfriend and Galactus get together and….[Laughs]."

I remember when I first read that I thought it probably wasn't very telling and he said Galactus even though Galactus wasn't on the cards.

But then I imagined that if I were locked in a room with a bunch of characters on cards, and I was throwing out a joke with two very different characters interacting, I think my brain would just naturally go to two characters who actually were on cards - not one that was on a card and one that wasn't in the set.

Ah man, thinking about it gets me too hopeful for my own good. I can just imagine when Infinity War 2 ends there's a mid/post credits stinger of one of the characters musing what else might be out there, then they do a sequence like the end of Thor 1 taking us across the galaxy and we see TAA II dwarfing nearby planets....

 

[Spiderine]

Looking at the list for the Marvel 101 on Youtube the dates are interesting. The Surfer got listed after Ego, and while Galactus is shown he isn't named. There's Mantis and the Collector as recent additions too.

Maybe Thundra has a cameo in the arena for Thor Ragnorak? I don't what they have done with her lately in the books but she seems a bit obscure to merit a slot?

Odd that they would do Thundra but not Valkyrie? Who is actually confirmed for Thor. At least I didn't see one for her.

 

[Nick Morton]

FOX just got a big chunk of change from TBS for the Star Wars cable rights. It's going to take big money to pry the first movie away from the Murdochs.

All Disney technically needs is A New Hope as the others will revert in time but if FOX want something MARVEL has that is what Disney will want first & now that the TV deals are done not much else FOX can get out of the Star Wars rights they have without Disney as FOX can no longer make anything Star Wars related. So at least making a better MARVEL deal for their Star Wars rights makes sense at least for A New Hope

 

[wobbly]

Odd that they would do Thundra but not Valkyrie? Who is actually confirmed for Thor. At least I didn't see one for her.

Can't see one. Looks like it's mostly characters that have or will be appearing in the films or tv series, though there's a few that are not in either so far (and some not likely to) like Spectrum, Angela, Spider-Gwen, Squirrel Girl, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, Silk, Spider-man 2099, Cho Hulk, etc.

 

[Web-Head]

In regards to Silver Surfer, Marvel did offer Fox more time on the Daredevil reboot for the rights...

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

In regards to Silver Surfer, Marvel did offer Fox more time on the Daredevil reboot for the rights...

Yeah, it's clear Marvel would like to have Galactus and Surfer - particularly with Infinity Wars on the horizon.

And since we know they made a trade for Ego, so it's not at all crazy to think something could have happened to transfer those rights - but we also don't have anything concrete to say it really did happen.

 

[Dark Raven]

Marvel could still offer Fox more time on the DD reboot rights in exchange for Galactus and Surfer. Time to think about their missed opportunity while they rewatch the DD Netflix show.