The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 7

[metaphysician]

Its simply that we recognise that the Fantastic Four rights have a far higher chance of returning to Marvel before the X-Men or Spider-Man rights will.

I'd go further, and say that there is 0% chance the X-Men rights revert prior to statutory reversion. The movies have been successful enough, and Fox has shown no difficulty whatsoever in meeting their schedule. Maybe if both Logan and Deadpool 2 flop, but I don't see it being likely.

Spider-man is likewise pretty safe, now that there is the partnership in place, though there's a very small chance of actual reversion by way of "Sony leaves the movie business".

 

[InCali]

I'd go further, and say that there is 0% chance the X-Men rights revert prior to statutory reversion. The movies have been successful enough, and Fox has shown no difficulty whatsoever in meeting their schedule. Maybe if both Logan and Deadpool 2 flop, but I don't see it being likely.

Spider-man is likewise pretty safe, now that there is the partnership in place, though there's a very small chance of actual reversion by way of "Sony leaves the movie business".

If they do, I hope it's the Mouse that goes shopping.

 

[Orba]

If they do, I hope it's the Mouse that goes shopping.

There was a rumour that during the discussions between Sony and Disney after the hack (which resulted in the current deal) that Disney had tried to buy the rights back from Sony, and that they had been prepared to open their wallets very wide.

 

[TheVileOne]

Doesn't seem like Sony is getting out of the movie business just yet.

 

[NotNickFury]

Spider-man is likewise pretty safe, now that there is the partnership in place, though there's a very small chance of actual reversion by way of "Sony leaves the movie business".

I would hope not. Taking Spider-Man out of the equation, there are a number of films that Sony distributes that I've enjoyed in the past years like Whiplash, Still Alice, and others, and it'd blow if they went away altogether.

 

[Big Bang]

Here's hoping that Marvel can work out some deals with Universal and Fox. I want this to happen. Marvel should just cut Universal a check to do a new Hulk film distributed by Disney and Fox should also take a check for the Fantastic Four.

Honestly, Universal is the easy part. They just have the right to first refusal when it comes to distribution and all other character rights are back at Marvel, but I agree with Disney getting those particular rights back. Last I've read is that Universal isn't interested in parting with the rights ( ).

Fox's part is obvious, which is unfortunate for all of us.

I'd love to see those two tangle on film, the theater would go nuts.

 

[Zarex]

I would hope not. Taking Spider-Man out of the equation, there are a number of films that Sony distributes that I've enjoyed in the past years like Whiplash, Still Alice, and others, and it'd blow if they went away altogether.

If Sony sold off the parts of Sony Pictures (Columbia, TriStar, Screen Gems) they would still be making movies under a new corporate parent.

 

[Big Bang]

If they do, I hope it's the Mouse that goes shopping.

Aside from Spider-Man, the only other property Sony has that I'd like to see taken over would be Ghostbusters. Especially after that abomination they released on us last year.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fox's part is obvious, which is unfortunate for all of us.

I'd love to see those two tangle on film, the theater would go nuts.

 

[Big Bang]

In Feige we trust.

 

[metaphysician]

If they do, I hope it's the Mouse that goes shopping.

I don't think they'll need to. I am highly certain the rights contracts are not transferable.

 

[Endeavor]

Wait so is the "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel)" only exclusive Fantastic 4 in this thread?

X-men could use Marvel's help just as much as F4 and Spider-man and Daredevil could attest to that. And the issues with Gambit's script only cause more worry. I get that maybe focusing on one franchise would release the other but am I the only one here who's more of a X-men fan than a F4 fan, who would really love if both to went back to Marvel though?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=31958515&postcount=431

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32286385&postcount=615

you are not alone

 

[ADollarADay]

If they do, I hope it's the Mouse that goes shopping.

DIS would only be interested in a few franchises from SPE (getting spiderman fully back, Ghostbusters, MIB). Bond is not owned by SPE btw.

I would hope not. Taking Spider-Man out of the equation, there are a number of films that Sony distributes that I've enjoyed in the past years like Whiplash, Still Alice, and others, and it'd blow if they went away altogether.

And all those are bombs/niches/unknowns. SPE is garbage. As an SNE stockholder I want them to part ways with it.

Last I've read is that Universal isn't interested in parting with the rights ( ).

Where did you hear that? I think DIS could buy those rights from CMCSA fairly easily with a deal similar to what they offered Paramount. I think Iger probably wants to get it all back (i.e. theme park rights) at once. Or at least start prying those rights away and getting the back home. That, IMO, is what makes the deal much harder.

If Sony sold off the parts of Sony Pictures (Columbia, TriStar, Screen Gems) they would still be making movies under a new corporate parent.

This too. CBS is rumored to be interested in buying them.

I don't think they'll need to. I am highly certain the rights contracts are not transferable.

You are probably right, but I wouldn't be so sure. Marvel's 90s deals are incredibly horrible. We also don't know if Constantine actually transferred the rights to Fox or not.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=31958515&postcount=431

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32286385&postcount=615

you are not alone

XMen were my favorite super heroes when I was a kid. My old AOL account password was "mutants". I don't care about them at all now I would much rather see XMen back than the FF. It's just not looking likely at this time, unfortunately.

 

[NotNickFury]

And all those are bombs/niches/unknowns. SPE is garbage. As an SNE stockholder I want them to part ways with it.

Yeah, no- the likes of Whiplash and Still Alice, for example, are Oscar winning and well known films. Hardly fall into anything close to bomb, niche, or unknown, so not sure what you're talking about there.

 

[Zarex]

Neither Whiplash nor Still Alice cracked $20M at the NA Box Office or $50M WW. They are clearly niche films.

 

[NotNickFury]

Whiplash was made for 3.3. Smaller indie films generally aren't going to make exuberant amounts of money, and that still says nothing about them being bombs or unknown films. There are exceptions like La La Land, same director in fact, which has a lot of momentum on its side, but that's not too often. Not raking in huge amounts of money hardly qualifies the film as being unknown.

 

[ADollarADay]

Whiplash was made for 3.3. Smaller indie films generally aren't going to make exuberant amounts of money, and that still says nothing about them being bombs or unknown films. There are exceptions like La La Land, same director in fact, which has a lot of momentum on its side, but that's not too often. Not raking in huge amounts of money hardly qualifies the film as being unknown.

They are niche/bombs/unknown movies. Feel free to not accept it, but it is what it is.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Neither Whiplash nor Still Alice cracked $20M at the NA Box Office or $50M WW. They are clearly niche films.

How much have they made with rentals/Blu-Ray sales, etc.? I didn't see Whiplash or Still Alice in theaters, but I did see them at home after all the awards season hype brought them a lot of attention.

 

[Fincher]

Niche or not, Whiplash and Still Alice made a major return on investment. Sony can only wish that all of their films did that well compared to what they cost.

 

[NotNickFury]

They are niche/bombs/unknown movies. Feel free to not accept it, but it is what it is.

You say 'accept it,' but you have nothing to go off except your gut instinct- not even any stats or numbers.

Not the best argument for telling someone else to just accept it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I don't think they'll need to. I am highly certain the rights contracts are not transferable.

I'm sure the contracts aren't transferable, so if Sony tried to sell the rights to Universal, for example, that would never be allowed.

However, the contract is probably between Columbia Pictures and Marvel, so if Sony sells Columbia Pictures, whoever ends up owning Columbia Pictures would probably retain the rights (as long as they continued to meet the requirements of the contract).

 

[wobbly]

I don't think they'll need to. I am highly certain the rights contracts are not transferable.

They are not, at least not without Marvels consent: After Constantin made the Corman effort and it was binned they realised they simply could not afford to make an FF film that would be viable for a wide theatrical release so they had to deal with Marvel first for Fox (who could afford it) to take control of the film rights.

They couldn't just do it on their own, the deal was done with Marvels collaboration and consent, and all subsequent talks over the FF have been between Marvel and Fox, including past extensions and possible trades. Constantin have kept a co producer credit but that's the end of their involvement.

These days of course Marvel/Disney would never allow any such transfer of control. Sony for example could not sell off Spider-Man rights to another party, but they could sell the film division that the rights are currently connected to (Columbia).

If Sony were to sell Columbia I would imagine Disney would indeed be cutting a cheque.

 

[ADollarADay]

You say 'accept it,' but you have nothing to go off except your gut instinct- not even any stats or numbers.

Not the best argument for telling someone else to just accept it.

BOMojo is a publicly known site for anyone to visit:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=whiplash.htm

13MM in NA and 39MM WW

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=stillalice.htm

19MM in NA and 44MM WW

I mean that's the definition of niche, but I digress.

 

[Web-Head]

So could Marvel use the original Human Torch, Jim Hammond?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So could Marvel use the original Human Torch, Jim Hammond?

I'm almost certain they can, and didn't they give us a glimpse in Captain America?