The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

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Just this week it was announced that we will not be getting a sequel to a very well received (85% on RT!) Comic book movie. The film in question outdrew FFINO domestically and came within $8M of the FOX disaster's overall gross. But this film cost $35M less to make, meaning its losses were significantly less than FFINO.

If we're not getting a Hellboy 3 there's no chance of us getting another FOX FF film.
 
It sounds like Kinberg knows that it's over. Fox should sell the rights back so they can get something in return and Marvel can put a film in production that much faster. If Fox want to use the same cast, they should at least sell Doom back so he can be used in Black Panther 2.

At the very least Marvel should make a deal with Fox for some villains wrapped up with the FF rights like the Skrulls, Blaastar, Doom, Galactus, Kang, Annihilus, etc.

That's exactly what it sounds like to me. Before, it was when but now it's who knows. There are some I think that still want F4 under their belt but again, Sir Rupert is on record saying F4 cost them a ton of money and dude is the living embodiment of Scrooge. I don't think we will ever see F4 under Fox ever again.
 
Good. Then Fassbender can join the rest of the talented actors Marvel has in their stable as soon as they get FF back. I'll bet no one has to guess who he'd play.

If Michael Fassbender is really done slumming it, I'd love to see him as Reed Richards.:woot:

OK. Willie.....you guessed wrong. :cwink:

Though I think Fassbender can play just about anything.
 
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So Kinberg also had this to say about another FF movie:

http://comicbook.com/2017/02/24/20th-century-fox-stills-plans-on-a-great-fantastic-four-movie/

"Yes, we would love to make another Fantastic Four movie," Kinberg said. "We feel like there's a great Fantastic Four movie to be made and I think it would hue closer to the tone of the original, the source material, the comics, but we want to make that movie."
I'd like to believe that every time this Jerkweed speaks publicly, Fox shares plummet in some way. While they're just too stupid to realize it.

If I was interested in what Logan had to offer next week in the slightest, I sure as hell aint now. Lego Batman again it is...

Logan can get the Jailbroken Fire Stick treatment if I'm that bored.
 
If Fox make another Fantastic Four, Reed Richards will be a muslim, Sue Storm will be Indian, Johnny Storm will be a woman and Ben Grimm will be a transvestite.

When Simon said "I have no idea", I think he was talking about The Thing's gender in Fant4stic.
 
Now that you put it out like that, how did Fox get away with it? They literally gave up the rights to Ego so they could change Negasonic's powers. How were they able to change so much on FF? Those changes are at least as significant as Negasonic's in deadpool.

When I was working on a patent, I asked the lawyer "How do you know what does or doesn't violate a patent?"

And he responded "You take it to court and let a judge and jury decide."

And I suspect it's a similar situation here. We found wording for a "quality clause" that was written into the contract between Marvel and Universal Studios (amusement park) that said something like: 'Universal Studios will maintain a level of quality that matches the highest industry standards or forfeit the rights."

That contract was written around the same time as the Fox/Marvel FF contract would have been taking effect, so it's likely that there is a similar statement in the FF contract.

But that statement is so broad that it is both a blessing and a curse. It's worded in away that would allow Marvel to take legal action and sue for breach of contract under nearly any questionable circumstances. But at the same time, since there are no clearly defined requirements, there's ambiguity and a jury would have a lot of wiggle room to go one way or another.

Disney almost certainly doesn't want to get into the expensive unpleasantness of taking legal action at this moment. But if Fox pushes them by starting to plan another film Disney might be forced to do something. And I think Fox's track record with FF - particularly the last film - would give Disney a strong case under almost any contract wording.
 
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OK. Willie.....you guessed wrong. :cwink:

Though I think Fassbender can play just about anything.

I'm assuming you mean Doom - which I'm sure he could do great - but I'd bet if he were given the choice, he might prefer Reed after already playing a European Marvel bad guy once already. :cwink:
 
You never know. Marvel preferred Galactus & Silver Surfer over Daredevil & Elektra and wanted to trade/extend.


Savage Land or Department H would be easy trade chips from them.

Fox already owned the movie rights to all of them at that time, so Marvel was trying to be slick and get the more valuable property. They won't be giving them up now, unless they give them up with a hard expiry date and no stipulation (i.e. license reverts back in 20XX) in exchange for the full movie rights back of characters they don't have. That's what I think anyways, but you never know.

Just this week it was announced that we will not be getting a sequel to a very well received (85% on RT!) Comic book movie. The film in question outdrew FFINO domestically and came within $8M of the FOX disaster's overall gross. But this film cost $35M less to make, meaning its losses were significantly less than FFINO.

If we're not getting a Hellboy 3 there's no chance of us getting another FOX FF film.

Man, I miss Hellboy, but on the flip side Disney and Marvel know that too, so why would they give up the XMen TV rights to a couple of shows instead of waiting for the rights toe expire? We still don't know what they got for that.

When I was working on a patent, I asked the lawyer "How do you know what does or doesn't violate a patent?"

And he responded "You take it to court and let a judge and jury decide."

And I suspect it's a similar situation here. We found wording for a "quality clause" that was written into the contract between Marvel and Universal Studios that said something like: 'Universal Studios will maintain a level of quality that matches the highest industry standards or forfeit the rights."

That contract was written around the same time as the Fox/Marvel FF contract would have been taking effect, so it's likely that there is a similar statement in the FF contract.

But that statement is so broad that it is both a blessing and a curse. It's worded in away that would allow Marvel to take legal action and sue for breach of contract under nearly any questionable circumstances. But at the same time, since there are no clearly defined requirements, there's ambiguity and a jury would have a lot of wiggle room to go one way or another.

Disney almost certainly doesn't want to get into the expensive unpleasantness of taking legal action at this moment. But if Fox pushes them by starting to plan another film Disney might be forced to do something. And I think Fox's track record with FF - particularly the last film - would give Disney a strong case under almost any contract wording.

Makes sense. You wanna avoid going to court whenever possible. On the plus side, if they did go to court, we would probably be able to see the contracts as they would be made public.
 
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It sounds like Kinberg knows that it's over.

That's exactly what it sounds like to me. Before, it was when but now it's who knows. There are some I think that still want F4 under their belt but again, Sir Rupert is on record saying F4 cost them a ton of money and dude is the living embodiment of Scrooge. I don't think we will ever see F4 under Fox ever again.

I also thought this represented a dramatic shift for Kinberg. Up until this point, he has been talking as if a sequel was in active development. But compared to previous statements he has made, this seemed dramatically more skeptical regarding an FF film any time soon (and if it's not relatively soon, they'll lose the rights).

I think that interview was about as close as we'll ever get to Kinberg saying: "Yeah, it's not going to happen."
 
Ultimately it just sounds like Fox is going to drag it out to the very end which diminishes the hopes anyone had that there could've been news of F4's emancipation at the upcomming D23.
 
"One of the lessons we learned on that movie is that we want to make sure we get it 100% right, because we will not get another chance with the fans."

That boat has sailed and circumnavigated the globe a good few times over Simple Simon...

Seriously, if they ###k up again they wont get another chance? What makes him think they still have one after FFINO?
 
Ugh
Simple Simon is talking about our 4 again.

I laughed for a few minutes at the sight of the report saying he might direct the next X-Men movie. That's until I realized it might be another try at the Phoenix Saga... MY Phoenix, ruined, AGAIN. Then I thought, nah it's just a rumor, they won't be that stupid, again... Now I see him doing more interviews which means he's putting himself out there, which means there might be something to the rumor...
 
You can't take any of what he says seriously right now. All the Fantastic Four headlines are just geek clickbait. Blogs are just printing them because everyone know anything Fox/Fantastic Four related gets a lot of clicks, just like DCEU controversy.
 
"One of the lessons we learned on that movie is that we want to make sure we get it 100% right, because we will not get another chance with the fans."

That boat has sailed and circumnavigated the globe a good few times over Simple Simon...

Seriously, if they ###k up again they wont get another chance? What makes him think they still have one after FFINO?

Yeah and since when did he start caring about what actual fans thought? In that case he should be hibernating under a rock indefinitely!
 
I utterly detest Simon Kinberg.
 
You can't take any of what he says seriously right now. All the Fantastic Four headlines are just geek clickbait. Blogs are just printing them because everyone know anything Fox/Fantastic Four related gets a lot of clicks, just like DCEU controversy.

Right now.....?

When should we ever? He's the male version of Amy Pascal with a punchable face.
 
What if Kinberg decided to do a bastardised adaptation of your book?

:shock

If I ever option the rights, I'm going to have to put a very specific clause in there precluding any possible involvement from Simon Kinberg.
 
:shock

If I ever option the rights, I'm going to have to put a very specific clause in there precluding any possible involvement from Simon Kinberg.

Then Josh Trank will get his hands on it and turn it into Chronicle 3. It will be called L4NDO4NOD. :o
 
My pitch for a F4 movie (bear in mind I'm writing this on my cell phone in a coffee shop):

(First 10 min) Victor is a young boy raised in a refugee camp in war-torn failed state in southeastern Europe. He never knew his father and his mother is sold to sex traffickers while he was a boy. When he turned 16 he leaves as a stowaway with a friend on a train to Scandinavia. His friend dies of a stomach flu and dehydration on the way there.

(10-25): Once there he enrolls in college under a pseudonym and becomes one of the most advanced students in his class. While at a tech conference in Switzerland he meets Reed Richards and the two bond over an interest in quantum mechanics and write an essay on multiverse theory. Reed finds Victor (and his creepy robotic assistant) working on a machine that is designed as a window/viewscreen to another dimension, but is more likely to destroy the entire city block, they have a falling out and part ways. Reed informs the authorities of the dangers of Victor's project.

(25-35): fast forward 10 years. Age 32, Reed has since returned home to New York where he's rooming with Ben Grimm. Though gruff and outspoken, Ben is an esteemed pilot in the airforce. The two are good friends despite being on completely different wavelengths. Reed works for Franklin Storm at the Baxter building. Reed is lead on a project working on the same sort of multiversal window as Doom was, but under much more rigorous scrutiny from the scientific community including Sue Storm (a 30-something yr old physicist) and Johnny Storm (a late 20s mechanical engineer).

(35 - 40): A now 30-something year old Victor is confronted in a Swiss prison by deportation authorities who have discovered his true parentage in the new sovereign nation of Latveria.

(40-45): After an unexpected powersurge causes a small amount of destruction at the Baxter building, Reed and Franklin discern this project is too dangerous in earths gravity and begin planning a suborbital mission to attempt to view this other dimension.

(45-50): Victor returns to Latveria and is escorted into a high security facility to find his father Werner von Doom on his deathbed and after a small moment of stifling any emotion, lashes out. Blaming his father for all the anguish in his life. As he watches his father die, he inherits a small nation for his troubles.

(50-55): Doom, now the leader of a nation, approaches his throne and starts to realize the power he's been given has. Having never had power before, he feels strange, but feels it suits him. He sits in the throne.

(55-65): Space launch is a success. (Using a space elevator maybe? This is the near future). They are now in a zero-g environment and the mission is a go. Ben is the pilot on the science vessel they travel on to get a safe distance from the space station.

(65-70): Doom, at a meal, being advised by several experts about strife and poverty in Latveria, he silences them and turns up the volume on the news where he learns about Reed and Storm's mission. Enraged, he destroys something, frightening his subjects.

(70-80): As Reed's team is igniting the portal, an unaccounted for blast of cosmic radiation sweeps through the ship altering the bodies of the four heroes (turning Reed's hair white on the sides) and killing anyone too far from the portal they opened. Including the rest of the crew and Franklin Storm.

(85-90): The next 5 minutes are a fight for their life as the science vessel is sent crashing into earth's atmosphere. The four are forced to come together as a team in order to survive the crash, discovering their powers in the process.

(90-95): A brief moment of calm as they attempt to figure out where they've landed. Their questions are answered by a squadron of robotic soldiers cloaked in green.

(95-105): They are accosted and brought before Doom at his castle. He orders them killed and they fight off the robots with their powers. Doom goes on a tirade about how he will study them to death in order to replicate his powers for his own gain. Ben and Johnny immediately despise him, not going down easy. And Sue attempts to reason with him. Reed realizes this is pointless and stays quiet. Here is where Doom names the four. "Find suitable containment for that "Thing" and the human torch." Sue is angry that her little brother is being mistreated, and yells something to insult Doom. "Take the invisible woman with them." To Reed: "You, you think you're above me. Mr. Fantastic with his money and his fame. But it was my work you stole. My work that gave you those powers. Well I am god here. And you are mine now."

(105-110): The team, trapped in very advanced cells are only able escape, once again through teamwork. Sue and Johnny are restrained together, if he ignites, she ignites. They battle their way through an army of Doombots and steal a ship.

(110-125): Confronted once again by Doom (now decked out in advanced tech armor) and his elite guard, the 3 fight him off. Johnny heats up one of Ben's fists and he uses it to tear off Dooms mask and clock him in the face, also scarring it somewhat.

(125-130): Stealing a private plane they return to New York and are finally able to relax.

(130-135): Seeing himself in the mirror for the first time after recovering from the battle, Doom notices a light scarification of his face. He then proceeds to permanently attach a mask upon his face (removed from the face of his creepy robot assistant from earlier) at great protest from his medical advisor. Who he kills immediately thereafter. He sees a hazy image of his mother in the corner of the room. She says, "Victor, find me," in an eastern european language and disappears.

Roll credits.

Mid Credits scene: Annihilus escaping the portal in space as it closes.

After credits scene: Something MCU related :P Stark or Fury or Strange show up to talk to the F4 about the dangers of interdimensional portals. :D
 
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Right now.....?

When should we ever? He's the male version of Amy Pascal with a punchable face.

I get we all take all this stuff seriously, and we want good movies based on our favorite material. At the same time, these are still human beings. I don't think so seriously that I want to actually hurt other people and want their careers and livelihood destroyed.

I mean Kinberg did help work on and shepherd Star Wars Rebels. I'm not saying I like everything he's done at Fox with X-Men, Fantastic Four, etc. I'm not the biggest Kinberg fan, but I don't want to punch him in the face.

As far as right now, I mean I usually take very little the bigwigs say at face value. And yeah with Kinberg's track record, I get not really trusting him ever. But look at these answers right now from Kinberg. They are the same as they were from last year and the year before. It's just public spin at this point, and you can't really take it seriously. So not right now or I guess even further back where Fantastic Four is concerned.
 
I can't wait till the next Fantastic Four Fox movie. Rights are not going anywhere. You have been at this for two years and It's not happening. Fox would be nuts to give up the rights. That they bought fair and square. Saved Marvel from Bankruptcy. So they won't. Marvel isn't entitled. Fox isn't in the wrong for keeping the rights. No obligation to sell them back!

Kinberg is amazing. I'm glad he's still in the fold.
 
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