The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Darepool]

Pretty much on the same page other then I think a couple of the 'hits' have been Mickey Mantle size home runs - Deadpool and Logan.

 

[Flint Marko]

Pretty much on the same page other then I think a couple of the 'hits' have been Mickey Mantle size home runs - Deadpool and Logan.

I really enjoyed Deadpool but wasn't as crazy about it as others. Will see Logan this weekend.
I will say though, that Deadpool 2 teaser was without a doubt the best teaser I've seen in quite some time.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Haven't seen Logan yet so I can't speak to it's quality, but for the most part Fox's filmography ranges from "pretty good" to "downright inexcusable". The "pretty good" ones are all formulaic and mull over the same story beats and themes, while the "downright inexcusable" ones are some of the worst in the genre.

So while I really do enjoy some of their movies (First Class and Deadpool at the top), Fox is still far behind Marvel (and even behind Sony) in producing genuinely great superhero films that I love. I don't like their cheap, dated aesthetic, I don't like their mishandling of their own continuity, I don't like how formulaic and tired the stories are, I don't like how little they care about the source material, I don't like how Simon Kinberg is still in charge.... I could keep going. The future is looking bright now that they have two genuine hits in both Logan and Deadpool, but I'm confident that for every one Logan or Deadpool, they'll crank out a turd like X-men Apocalypse.

Ha, you sound just like moviebob. Were you watching his Logan review?

I will say I truly don't understand why people hold First Class on such a high pedestal. Hell, it takes the most liberties with the source material.

Personally I think some of it is director bias. If Singer had directed First Class, exactly like it was, it wouldn't get nearly as much love as it does. I'm not even a Singer fan, but it's like people are afraid to admit when he makes a good movie.

Not to mention that Days of Future Past is much better directed than the cheap looking First Class.

Regardless, I do agree the main x-men films need some new blood, and Kinberg needs to go away.

 

[Flint Marko]

Ha, you sound just like moviebob. Were you watching his Logan review?

I will say I truly don't understand why people hold First Class on such a high pedestal. Hell, it takes the most liberties with the source material.

Personally I think some of it is director bias. If Singer had directed First Class, exactly like it was, it wouldn't get nearly as much love as it does. Despite the fact that Days of Future Past is much better directed than the cheap looking First Class.

Regardless, I do agree the main x-men films need some new blood, and Kinberg needs to go away.

Haven't watched his Logan review, but I do love moviebob. We see eye to eye on a lot

First Class takes a lot of liberties with the source material because it kinda has to, I think. You can't make a true First Class movie in the 60's when the real first class is in their prime 40 years later in X1. And it's a cheap looking movie because it was a cheap movie - Fox desperately needed to make another X-men film by a certain time, much like FFINO, but Vaughn managed to spin it into gold.

If Singer had directed First Class I wouldn't have liked it as much because it would have been a much more average, unexceptional film in his hands. Vaughn is one of my favorite working directors.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Haven't watched his Logan review, but I do love moviebob. We see eye to eye on a lot

First Class takes a lot of liberties with the source material because it kinda has to, I think. You can't make a true First Class movie in the 60's when the real first class is in their prime 40 years later in X1. And it's a cheap looking movie because it was a cheap movie - Fox desperately needed to make another X-men film by a certain time, much like FFINO, but Vaughn managed to spin it into gold.

If Singer had directed First Class I wouldn't have liked it as much because it would have been a much more average, unexceptional film in his hands. Vaughn is one of my favorite working directors.

I'm a fan of Vaughn, Layer Cake is a favorite of mine. But what was so exceptional about the direction in First Class? The future action scenes in DOFP+Quicksilver scene blow away anything I can think of in First Class. Heck, even going back as far as X2, you have the Night Crawler white house scene, and the Magneto prison escape scene which is baller (no pun intended).

I like the aesthetics of First Class, but the direction is actually kind of average. The movie as a whole has like, one decent set piece (when Shaw attacks the CIA headquarters).

And look, I know some people really love First Class. That's cool. I'm not here to argue against that, I just don't understand why some act like it's so much better than the other x-men movies.

 

[The Overlord]

Haven't seen Logan yet so I can't speak to it's quality, but for the most part Fox's filmography ranges from "pretty good" to "downright inexcusable". The "pretty good" ones are all formulaic and mull over the same story beats and themes, while the "downright inexcusable" ones are some of the worst in the genre.

So while I really do enjoy some of their movies (First Class and Deadpool at the top), Fox is still far behind Marvel (and even behind Sony) in producing genuinely great superhero films that I love. I don't like their cheap, dated aesthetic, I don't like their mishandling of their own continuity, I don't like how formulaic and tired the stories are, I don't like how little they care about the source material, I don't like how Simon Kinberg is still in charge.... I could keep going. The future is looking bright now that they have two genuine hits in both Logan and Deadpool, but I'm confident that for every one Logan or Deadpool, they'll crank out a turd like X-men Apocalypse.

See I don't get this logic, I have been fan of a lot film franchises that have highs and lows in quality: Star Trek, Star Wars, Robocop, etc.

Star Trek 5 doesn't ruin Wrath of Khan for me, the prequels don't ruin Empire Strikes back and Robocop 3 doesn't ruin Robocop 1.

Not every franchise is going to be as consistent as the MCU and even the MCU has some lows, I am not sure Thor 2 is that much better then Apocalypse.

I can think of good reasons to boycott Fox, but the FF movies isn't one of them. In the end, I am going to watch the movies I like and ignore the ones I hear bad things about.

If the next X-Men film is great, I won't really care that Apocalypse kinda sucked.

When you have a franchise that produces nothing but stinkers, like the DCEU, FF, Transformers, etc that is when I have a big problem, then I don't think the creators are competent enough to make a great film.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm a fan of Vaughn, Layer Cake is a favorite of mine. But what was so exceptional about the direction in First Class? The future action scenes in DOFP+Quicksilver scene blow away anything I can think of in First Class. Heck, even going back as far as X2, you have the Night Crawler white house scene, and the Magneto prison escape scene which is baller (no pun intended).

I like the aesthetics of First Class, but the direction is actually kind of average. The movie as a whole has like, one decent set piece (when Shaw attacks the CIA headquarters).

And look, I know some people really love First Class. That's cool. I'm not here to argue against that, I just don't understand why some act like it's so much better than the other x-men movies.

I'm not speaking of direction strictly in terms of action scenes, although I do believe that the final fight sequence in Cuba can stand toe-to-toe with anything in DOFP. Vaughn brought a palpable energy to the franchise and directed everything with a lighter, yet somehow more sophisticated, touch than anything Singer ever did. Not to mention how great the performances were across the board (except for January Jones, yikes) and how awesome the period setting was.

See I don't get this logic, I have been fan of a lot film franchises that have highs and lows in quality: Star Trek, Star Wars, Robocop, etc.

Star Trek 5 doesn't ruin Wrath of Khan for me, the prequels don't ruin Empire Strikes back and Robocop 3 doesn't ruin Robocop 1.

Not every franchise is going to be as consistent as the MCU and even the MCU has some lows, I am not Thor 2 is that much better then Apocalypse.

I can think of good reasons to boycott Fox, but the FF movies isn't one of them. In the end, I am going to watch the movies I like and ignore the ones I hear bad things about.

If the next X-Men film is great, I won't really care that Apocalypse kinda sucked.

When you have a franchise that produces nothing but stinkers, like the DCEU, FF, Transformers, etc that is when I have a big problem, then I don't think the creators are competent enough to make a great film.

It comes down to this: the highs for Fox aren't very high, but the lows are incredibly low.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I'm confident that for every one Logan or Deadpool, they'll crank out a turd like X-men Apocalypse.

Just your opinion I have a opposite view. Future will tell

Agreed! I know I can't be the only one to watch a X-Men movie due to F4 rights.

LoL I bet your not. And this is why I want FF back with Marvel more than MCU/FF Fanboys do. It's beyond annoying

I just don't understand why some act like it's so much better than the other x-men movies.

Just my opinion but I feel like people who were fans of X-MEN before X1 just don't like Singer or his vision of X-MEN. And wanted a new Director regardless of who. That's how I feel

 

[The Overlord]

I'm not speaking of direction strictly in terms of action scenes, although I do believe that the final fight sequence in Cuba can stand toe-to-toe with anything in DOFP. Vaughn brought a palpable energy to the franchise and directed everything with a lighter, yet somehow more sophisticated, touch than anything Singer ever did. Not to mention how great the performances were across the board (except for January Jones, yikes) and how awesome the period setting was.



It comes down to this: the highs for Fox aren't very high, but the lows are incredibly low.

I disagree, I think with the X-Men movies, the highs are pretty high and lows are pretty low, like Star Trek, Star Wars, etc.

I think the best of the X-Men films can go toe to toe with the best of the MCU.

Now the FF movies are like Transformers or Resident Evil movies, just one stinker after another, only those 2 franchises made more money.

I don't mind a film series with highs and lows like Star Trek or Star wars, but I can't stand one where there are no good entries into the series, which is why I think X-Men is fine at Fox, but the FF must go back to Marvel.

 

[Flint Marko]

I disagree, I think with the X-Men movies, the highs are pretty high and lows are pretty low, like Star Trek, Star Wars, etc.

I think the best of the X-Men films can go toe to toe with the best of the MCU.

I could see the argument that First Class and DOFP can go toe to toe with the upper-echelon of the MCU. Logan as well if it lives up to the hype. I don't love those movies near as much as the top MCU films, but that goes without saying if you are familiar with my posting history
I think it's also worth mentioning how Marvel not only has Fox on quality (IMO, of course, I respect that you disagree) but quantity as well. Every time people talk great superhero movies, I regularly see more MCU films listed even though both studios have almost the same amount of films out.

Now the FF movies are like Transformers or Resident Evil movies, just one stinker after another, only those 2 franchises made more money.

I don't mind a film series with highs and lows like Star Trek or Star wars, but I can't stand one where there are no good entries into the series, which is why I think X-Men is fine at Fox, but the FF must go back to Marvel.

Agreed with all of this, actually. I'm really not in a rush to see the X-men at Marvel.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Every time people talk great superhero movies, I regularly see more MCU films listed even though both studios have almost the same amount of films out.

Why does it matter?

 

[Flint Marko]

Why does it matter?

Sorry, thought this was a superhero message board where we discuss, compare, and contrast superhero films.

 

[The Overlord]

I respectfully disagree, but I'm sure you knew that already

To each their own.

could see the argument that First Class and DOFP can go toe to toe with the upper-echelon of the MCU. Logan as well if it lives up to the hype. I don't love those movies near as much as the top MCU films, but that goes without saying if you are familiar with my posting history
I think it's also worth mentioning how Marvel not only has Fox on quality (IMO, of course, I respect that you disagree) but quantity as well. Every time people talk great superhero movies, I regularly see more MCU films listed even though both studios have almost the same amount of films out.
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I think Deadpool and X-2 can be competitive as well, I have not seen Logan yet, but reviews seem to say its one of the best comic book movies around, which is amazing when the first Wolverine movie was garbage and the second was only okay, that is quite a turn around.

Marvel makes more super hero movies because Marvel is only making Marvel related films, while Fox is making a wide variety of films, with X-Men being a small part of it.

Heck the new Planet of the Apes movie is one of the movies I am looking forward to, more then the next Thor film. Granted I think X-Men and Planet of the Apes are only 2 Fox movie franchises I care about at this point.

I will say no Marvel film was as bad as Wolverine Origins or Last Stand, but X-2 is better then say Thor 2 or Iron Man 2, those are on par with something like the Wolverine. I also liked Days of Future Past better then Age of Ultron.

Now when you get to the cream of the crop, then I think you have real debate, I think the merits of the best of the MCU and the best of the X-Men depends on your tastes and what kind of movies you like. The best of both of those franchises are very well reviewed, so clearly both have good arguments in their favor.

Agreed with all of this, actually. I'm really not in a rush to see the X-men at Marvel.

I will still say this, I have more faith in Fox with the X-Men then I do with WB handling the DCEU.

WB's DC universe is way worse then Fox's X-Men universe and there is even less of a need to compare it the MCU.

If I were X-Men fan, I would be more happy with the films then a general DC fan.

 

[jaymes_e06]

For me Logan was the best comic book film of all time.

 

[Aztec]

I wanted to take a moment to try and more objectively clarify Fox's Marvel film history and potential future. There are several ways to approach this so I will explain them all.

1) Option 1: The X-Men Saga
There is no doubt that the X-Men have been Fox's only Marvel success story. So let's start with just the 10 X films and rate them. Please note that none of the ratings in this post will be solely my personal ratings (I haven't even seen all the films) but rather the general consensus for each film. RT being my main source.

1a) Using the good old fashioned Roman Emperor "Thumbs up or Thumbs down" approach to whether the film is "good" or "bad". By that measure Fox has made 7 good X films (X-Men, X2, X-Men: First Class, The Wolverine, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan) and 3 bad X films (X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and X-Men: Apocalypse). By this simple measure Fox is batting 7/10 or 70% earning them a "C" average overall.

1b) However you may agree with me that this alone is not fair as "good" and "bad" are hardly sophisticated enough measures for overall quality so I have devised a more accurate rating system. It's a point rating system from 0 (Awful), 1 (Bad), 2 (Good), and 3 (Excellent). This way the 10 films can be rated from a 0-30 point scale allowing for variations in quality. The ratings, based reasonably upon consensus reviews, are as follows:
X-Men- 2
X2- 3
X-Men: The Last Stand- 1
X-Men Origins: Wolverine- 0
X-Men: First Class- 2
The Wolverine- 2
X-Men: Days of Future Past- 3
Deadpool- 3
X-Men: Apocalypse- 1
Logan- 3
So that makes the overall score a 20/30 or a 67%. That's a D average. (For the record I feel like I'm being way too kind to The Last Stand...but I'm trying to be objective and not use my feelings. That movie was an abortion but RT has it at 58.)

So there you have it. That's Fox's X-Men batting average to date...However I don't think it's fair to stop there. They still are holding Fantastic Four hostage, er I mean, holding onto the film rights so...how could we not count them in this calculation?

2) Current Fox Marvel holdings ratings: X-Men & Fantastic Four

2a) Adding the 3 bad F4 films (Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, and Fant4stic) in brings Fox's "good vs bad" average to...7/13 or 54%. That is an F average.

2b) What about the other model? Well let's look...
Fantastic Four- 0
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer- 0
Fant4stic: 0 (Can I take away points?)
So that brings their cumulative average to 20/45 or a 44%, which is an F.

3) And just for giggles let's look at their overall Marvel track record and add the bad Daredevil films (Daredevil & Elektra).
3a) 7/15 or 47% which is an F.
3b) Daredevil- 0
Elektra- 0
So that's 20/51 or 39%, which needless to say is an F.

Now I will add the one caveat that 3 of their last 4 films have been excellent, which could be a sign of things to come. Perhaps they are finally getting the message and/or hitting their groove?

But overall the numbers over the last 17 years just don't lie. It's been 10, 13, or 15 films (depending on how you look at it...but I think you really HAVE to add F4 since they still have them) and they are at a "C" average AT BEST.

Also X:A has shown very clearly that the mainline X-Men have run out of steam. The lame from the get-go "decades" gimmick is clearly imploding and they have painted themselves into a corner narrative wise. I think the audience has moved past the core team at this point. Unless something truly creative is to be done...and I don't believe bringing them into the '90s to meet Kurt Cobain is going to do it. Also there is little about New Mutants that really strikes me as anything new or creative. Combine that with general audience X-Fatigue and that could be very problematic for Fox. I stand behind my prediction that both Dark Phoenix and New Mutants will simple "middle" at the box office (ala Apocalypse). Also Logan is a narrative dead end, and I can't imagine that an X-23 movie is what the fans truly want (regardless of how good her performance is supposed to be). The film was a success because it featured LOGAN. I know nothing about Exiles so I read about them...and I still have no idea what they are about. The only thing I could glean is that they are from "other timelines" which is the LAST thing Fox needs to add more of to their continuity nightmare they currently have. Also Deadpool 2 has some concerns: a) comedy sequels generally struggle and b) Tim Miller's departure is troubling.

A Rated R X-Force will probably do very well and potentially be a very good film. Alpha Flight can be a very interesting concept for film too if the right people are found. And certainly having Deadpool will be a plus for future films.

In conclusion, I'd like to state that I would support a fully functioning X-Verse on film if the quality was consistently good (let's be honest that is the MCU's greatest accomplishment), the films were creative and unique ala Deadpool and Logan, there was a chance it could one day crossover with the MCU in a mega event film, and most importantly...if Fox finally does the right thing and returns the F4 back to Marvel!

So there you have it. Thoughts?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So there you have it. Thoughts?

X-MEN movies are better than a D average

and I don't believe bringing them into the '90s to meet Kurt Cobain is going to do it.

???

X-Men in 1990's is the only reason FOX bought the IP from Marvel in the first place.

90% of the general audience complaints about X-MEN is "That's not how it happened in the cartoon" or "Why doesn't the costumes look like the cartoon?"

Most of the fans didn't even know X-MEN was a comic and only thought it was an animated series. That's the advantage MCU has over Batman & X-MEN. Non Comic fans didn't grow up with it most likely and aren't aware of the changes Marvel makes.

The majority of X-MEN fans come from that era. 90's X-MEN may mean little to you but next year the hype will be real for 90's X-MEN. There's plenty like myself who have waited their entire life for 90's X-Film.

Also there is little about New Mutants that really strikes me as anything new or creative.

Gender & Racial Equality is new & creative. Point Blank Period. No super hero movie has done it yet. New Mutant characters are just as popular to X-Fans as most X-MEN themselves.

Superhero Movies make the majority of the box office internationally but a team of International Superheroes will have no appeal? If you say so.


Basically the rest of what you said is you know nothing about X-MEN Splinter Teams but they'll mostly fail iyo.




Please give the FF rights back FoX.. so this can be done with already.

 

[Dasher10]

Fox doing a good job with the X-Men says nothing about how the Fantastic Four. The FF also belong at Marvel because of everything that they have bundled with them.

IMO, if I were Marvel, I'd offer a fat wad of cash to Fox in exchange for the Fantastic Four and all related characters (Skrulls, Doom, Annihilus, Kang, Galactus, Badoon, Silver Surfer, Wizard, Mad Thinker, Blastaar, Trapster, Mole Man, Abigail Harkness, Willie Lumpkin, Franklin and Valeria Richards, etc) and locations (Subterrania, Latveria and the Negative Zone) as well as shared rights to a number of X-Men characters like the Shi'Ar (Vulcan, Deathbird, D'Ken, Lilandra, Gladiator, etc), Juggernaut, Abigail Brand, Henry Peter Gyrich, The Brood, GW Bridge, Phalanx/Technarchy, Madame Hydra, Cytorrak and Gorgon can all be used by both studios.

Right now I feel like some X-Men character rights are holding back the Guardians of the Galaxy and Agents of SHIELD from reaching their true potential. That plus Gorgon if Marvel ever decide to give Elektra her own series, Cytorrak for Doctor Strange and Juggernaut for Spider-Man and Hulk sequels. Those characters in addition to the FF would make the MCU feel a lot more complete. Fox won't make another FF film so just the FF characters returning would be nice.

 

[The Overlord]

I wanted to take a moment to try and more objectively clarify Fox's Marvel film history and potential future. There are several ways to approach this so I will explain them all.

1) Option 1: The X-Men Saga
There is no doubt that the X-Men have been Fox's only Marvel success story. So let's start with just the 10 X films and rate them. Please note that none of the ratings in this post will be solely my personal ratings (I haven't even seen all the films) but rather the general consensus for each film. RT being my main source.

1a) Using the good old fashioned Roman Emperor "Thumbs up or Thumbs down" approach to whether the film is "good" or "bad". By that measure Fox has made 7 good X films (X-Men, X2, X-Men: First Class, The Wolverine, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan) and 3 bad X films (X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and X-Men: Apocalypse). By this simple measure Fox is batting 7/10 or 70% earning them a "C" average overall.

1b) However you may agree with me that this alone is not fair as "good" and "bad" are hardly sophisticated enough measures for overall quality so I have devised a more accurate rating system. It's a point rating system from 0 (Awful), 1 (Bad), 2 (Good), and 3 (Excellent). This way the 10 films can be rated from a 0-30 point scale allowing for variations in quality. The ratings, based reasonably upon consensus reviews, are as follows:
X-Men- 2
X2- 3
X-Men: The Last Stand- 1
X-Men Origins: Wolverine- 0
X-Men: First Class- 2
The Wolverine- 2
X-Men: Days of Future Past- 3
Deadpool- 3
X-Men: Apocalypse- 1
Logan- 3
So that makes the overall score a 20/30 or a 67%. That's a D average. (For the record I feel like I'm being way too kind to The Last Stand...but I'm trying to be objective and not use my feelings. That movie was an abortion but RT has it at 58.)

So there you have it. That's Fox's X-Men batting average to date...However I don't think it's fair to stop there. They still are holding Fantastic Four hostage, er I mean, holding onto the film rights so...how could we not count them in this calculation?

2) Current Fox Marvel holdings ratings: X-Men & Fantastic Four

2a) Adding the 3 bad F4 films (Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, and Fant4stic) in brings Fox's "good vs bad" average to...7/13 or 54%. That is an F average.

2b) What about the other model? Well let's look...
Fantastic Four- 0
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer- 0
Fant4stic: 0 (Can I take away points?)
So that brings their cumulative average to 20/45 or a 44%, which is an F.

3) And just for giggles let's look at their overall Marvel track record and add the bad Daredevil films (Daredevil & Elektra).
3a) 7/15 or 47% which is an F.
3b) Daredevil- 0
Elektra- 0
So that's 20/51 or 39%, which needless to say is an F.

Now I will add the one caveat that 3 of their last 4 films have been excellent, which could be a sign of things to come. Perhaps they are finally getting the message and/or hitting their groove?

But overall the numbers over the last 17 years just don't lie. It's been 10, 13, or 15 films (depending on how you look at it...but I think you really HAVE to add F4 since they still have them) and they are at a "C" average AT BEST.

Also X:A has shown very clearly that the mainline X-Men have run out of steam. The lame from the get-go "decades" gimmick is clearly imploding and they have painted themselves into a corner narrative wise. I think the audience has moved past the core team at this point. Unless something truly creative is to be done...and I don't believe bringing them into the '90s to meet Kurt Cobain is going to do it. Also there is little about New Mutants that really strikes me as anything new or creative. Combine that with general audience X-Fatigue and that could be very problematic for Fox. I stand behind my prediction that both Dark Phoenix and New Mutants will simple "middle" at the box office (ala Apocalypse). Also Logan is a narrative dead end, and I can't imagine that an X-23 movie is what the fans truly want (regardless of how good her performance is supposed to be). The film was a success because it featured LOGAN. I know nothing about Exiles so I read about them...and I still have no idea what they are about. The only thing I could glean is that they are from "other timelines" which is the LAST thing Fox needs to add more of to their continuity nightmare they currently have. Also Deadpool 2 has some concerns: a) comedy sequels generally struggle and b) Tim Miller's departure is troubling.

A Rated R X-Force will probably do very well and potentially be a very good film. Alpha Flight can be a very interesting concept for film too if the right people are found. And certainly having Deadpool will be a plus for future films.

In conclusion, I'd like to state that I would support a fully functioning X-Verse on film if the quality was consistently good (let's be honest that is the MCU's greatest accomplishment), the films were creative and unique ala Deadpool and Logan, there was a chance it could one day crossover with the MCU in a mega event film, and most importantly...if Fox finally does the right thing and returns the F4 back to Marvel!

So there you have it. Thoughts?

Except you apply same metric to several beloved film franchises.

Half of the Star Trek movies are okay to bad, the other half are good, the prequels drag down Star Wars' grade and there has only been good Robocop film.

But I think for most people, Star Trek 5 doesn't ruin Wrath of Khan, Robocop 3 doesn't ruin Robocop 1 and the prequels don't ruin the Empire Strikes Back.

So think trying to use this weird grading scheme for the X-Men films, wouldn't affect the enjoyment people have for the good X-Men films, because

Sure the MCU films are consistently good, but they can stick a bit too close to formula some times (though they have been switching it up lately) and don't think people should get spoiled by the MCU, for a long franchises with highs and lows were the norm, not the exception and I like that Fox is willing to take some chances Marvel wouldn't with some of their characters, I think Apocalypse failed because it tried to copy some of the MCU formula and failed.

I will agree the other Fox Marvel movies have not worked out, DD and Elektra are better on Netflix then they were with Fox and I think the FF would be better at Marvel too, no one is going to argue that now.

So I stand by belief that Fox can keep X-Men, but should give back the FF, that would be best for everyone.

Fox doing a good job with the X-Men says nothing about how the Fantastic Four. The FF also belong at Marvel because of everything that they have bundled with them.

IMO, if I were Marvel, I'd offer a fat wad of cash to Fox in exchange for the Fantastic Four and all related characters (Skrulls, Doom, Annihilus, Kang, Galactus, Badoon, Silver Surfer, Wizard, Mad Thinker, Blastaar, Trapster, Mole Man, Abigail Harkness, Willie Lumpkin, Franklin and Valeria Richards, etc) and locations (Subterrania, Latveria and the Negative Zone) as well as shared rights to a number of X-Men characters like the Shi'Ar (Vulcan, Deathbird, D'Ken, Lilandra, Gladiator, etc), Juggernaut, Abigail Brand, Henry Peter Gyrich, The Brood, GW Bridge, Phalanx/Technarchy, Madame Hydra, Cytorrak and Gorgon can all be used by both studios.

Right now I feel like some X-Men character rights are holding back the Guardians of the Galaxy and Agents of SHIELD from reaching their true potential. That plus Gorgon if Marvel ever decide to give Elektra her own series, Cytorrak for Doctor Strange and Juggernaut for Spider-Man and Hulk sequels. Those characters in addition to the FF would make the MCU feel a lot more complete. Fox won't make another FF film so just the FF characters returning would be nice.

I think because Fox poisoned the well, so Disney may not be willing to give them a king's ransom for it, Disney didn't buy Marvel just to give a bunch of money to Fox for a property they ran into the ground.

I hope Fox and Disney are willing to work a bit more closely and try to put forward the best property they can. Marvel seemed to be willing to promote Legion, which is a very X-Men related show. I am hoping there is a good quid pro quo between Marvel and Fox, that sees Marvel get the FF and Marvel and Fox be willing to put out the best X-Men related products.

 

[Darepool]

???

X-Men in 1990's is the only reason FOX bought the IP from Marvel in the first place.

90% of the general audience complaints about X-MEN is "That's not how it happened in the cartoon" or "Why doesn't the costumes look like the cartoon?"

The majority of X-MEN fans come from that era. 90's X-MEN may mean little to you but next year the hype will be real for 90's X-MEN. There's plenty like myself who have waited their entire life for 90's X-Film.

So the X-Men being Marvel's flagship property in the 90's means a lot of people want an X-Men movie set in the 90's? First time I've really seen it put in this way. A 90's set film is just having no other choice at this point. Apocalypse could have played on the fact that the 80's was the decade the mutants became a pop culture phenomenon, but stumbled grotesquely out of the gates and I don't think a lot of people will care about the 90's connection going forward. Those mall scenes were better then anything in the film.

They should reboot and make a contemporary X-Men film. It can still be 'inspired' by the 90's heyday comics and animated series.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So the X-Men being Marvel's flagship property in the 90's means a lot of people want an X-Men movie set in the 90's?

Pretty much. I had to sit through 60's-80's... If they rebooted before the 90's I'd personally be furious.


If FoX reboots and lightens the tone the narrative shifts to "They're just copying the MCU". Honestly FoX is damned if they do and damned if they don't. The revert the rights crowd is very vocal and ppl like Aztec will either not see the film, buy a ticket for something else and sneak in, or wait till the 3rd or 4th week "to hurt the initial #'s" so honestly it doesn't even matter what FoX does with X-MEN. Even though they've been dealing with this IP since 1992. Then you got people like marvelrobbins who will quit X-MEN if FoX reboots and I bet some long time fans from X1 days feel the same.

FoX obviously likes this young cast and I think want them to grow into the roles. They are mostly talented actors on the rise Sheridan is the lead in Speilbergs next movie. FoX gave Shipp her own movie. Turner & Williams are probably gonna get even bigger after Season 8 of Thrones. Taylor-Joy is on the rise as well. And they obviously love McAvoy. I doubt a reboot happens and at most a retool.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Overall, I have enjoyed the X-Men films more so than the MCU movies. The only exceptions of course being X3 and Wolverine: Origins

Anyway, I feel like the X-Men work better in their own universe and I have liked the approach Fox has taken since First Class. Top it all off, I really doubt we would see R rated films like Logan & Deadpool under Marvel/Disney. I think it'll be damn near impossible for the X-Men to go back to Marvel. Best thing we can hope for is a deal to go down between Marvel/Disney and Fox similar to the one they made with Sony for Spider-Man.

Fantastic Four should definitely go back to Marvel though. They would so well with what Marvel/Disney have been creating

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I've waited a long time for a 90's X-Men inspired film. Like since I was a kid watching the animated series on Saturday morning foxkids and seeing commercials for the x-men movie when everyone wore motorcycle garb. (I still adore those movies warts and all)

I wanted it more than just about anything, even more so than a Justice League movie.

 

[Darepool]

I've waited a long time for a 90's X-Men inspired film. I wanted it more than just about anything, even more so than a Justice League movie.

'Inspired' being the operative word, not literally in the 90's. Maybe there is something to what Leo said, but I think most people would prefer it being contemporary. I know I would and I grew up in the 90's.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The next main x-men movie is going to be in the 90's though.

First Class was 1963
DOFP was 1973
Apocalypse was 1983
It only makes sense to continue the trend in what will most likely be 1993.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

To make a contemporary film would mean they'd either have to

- really age up the current cast
- bring back the original trilogy cast
- completely recast altogether

It will be a challenge in itself to age up the young kids by a decade, so they have their work cut out for themselves regardless.