The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Darepool]

Oh I know, but I think it's out of necessity more then a long term plan. It just worked out that way. Like I said, they should have made magic out of the 80's milieu and it's relevance to the X-Men, but they fumbled the ball. Now the 90's setting is like a gimmick. Just my feelings on it, I think the best scenario is a clean slate reboot with Deadpool.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Agreed, I hope this x-men film in the 90's is the last they do with the current ensemble they have. After that, Bring the x-men into 2017/beyond and recast everyone at some point. Colossus can be the first of this new cast they have.

 

[Dasher10]

Overall, I have enjoyed the X-Men films more so than the MCU movies. The only exceptions of course being X3 and Wolverine: Origins

Anyway, I feel like the X-Men work better in their own universe and I have liked the approach Fox has taken since First Class. Top it all off, I really doubt we would see R rated films like Logan & Deadpool under Marvel/Disney. I think it'll be damn near impossible for the X-Men to go back to Marvel. Best thing we can hope for is a deal to go down between Marvel/Disney and Fox similar to the one they made with Sony for Spider-Man.

Fantastic Four should definitely go back to Marvel though. They would so well with what Marvel/Disney have been creating

I agree. The X-Men are fine but I can't imagine anyone wanting to spend money on a ticket for the FF unless they were part of the MCU. A sequel won't work with Doom dead. Another reboot without any shared universe connections also won't work either since it'll feel too isolated from anything else and Fox legally can't do a crossover. I feel like the only way forward with the property is to sell the rights back.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I've waited a long time for a 90's X-Men inspired film. Like since I was a kid watching the animated series on Saturday morning foxkids

People who didn't grow up on X-MEN wouldn't understand.


X-MEN in the 90's = Avenger's Team Up for first time excitement for MCU fans


That's how much 90's X-MEN means to us

 

[Zant]

Ha, you sound just like moviebob. Were you watching his Logan review?

I will say I truly don't understand why people hold First Class on such a high pedestal. Hell, it takes the most liberties with the source material.

Personally I think some of it is director bias. If Singer had directed First Class, exactly like it was, it wouldn't get nearly as much love as it does. I'm not even a Singer fan, but it's like people are afraid to admit when he makes a good movie.

Not to mention that Days of Future Past is much better directed than the cheap looking First Class.

Regardless, I do agree the main x-men films need some new blood, and Kinberg needs to go away.

MovieBob Logan review was painful to watch lol. You could hear the pain in his voice as he reluctantly gave Logan a positive review.and with him being a huge Marvel shill, that must have been really painful. He really is Faraci 2.0

 

[Chip Chipperson]

People who didn't grow up on X-MEN wouldn't understand.


X-MEN in the 90's = Avenger's Team Up for first time excitement for MCU fans


That's how much 90's X-MEN means to us

Amen, my friend.

Just seeing this logo would get people our age riled up.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Oh I know, but I think it's out of necessity more then a long term plan. It just worked out that way. Like I said, they should have made magic out of the 80's milieu and it's relevance to the X-Men, but they fumbled the ball. Now the 90's setting is like a gimmick. Just my feelings on it, I think the best scenario is a clean slate reboot with Deadpool.

Seems like that's where New Mutants is coming in.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Seems like that's where New Mutants is coming in.

Exactly no Mystique, Magneto, or Wolverine cameo hogging the screen time. And The Demon Bear doesn't require any of the set up like Apocalypse.

New Mutant's gets to actually be a diverse Super Hero YA with Mutants from 4 different continents + 2 Aliens!

Plus Storm's first appearance outside a main X-Film. She has the most vocal fanbase outside of male marvel characters and to see her in the Stevie Hunter cool big sister role will be a treat.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

People who didn't grow up on X-MEN wouldn't understand.


X-MEN in the 90's = Avenger's Team Up for first time excitement for MCU fans


That's how much 90's X-MEN means to us

Bro, an X-Men film inspired by the 90s animated series and Jim Lee/Chris Clairemont comics would be every kid's dream who grew up with that stuff!

I got into other Marvel comic/heroes because of the X-Men. So 90s X-Men holds a special place in my heart

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Would love to see a 90’s film with Gambit, Rogue, Sinister, Omega Red, and a recast Wolverine, with everyone sporting their iconic 90's costumes.

I think a lot of people would want to see the 90's X-Men brought to life. X-Men #1 after all is the best selling comic of all time.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Amen, my friend.

Just seeing this logo would get people our age riled up.

what age are we talking about exactly? because I grew up in the 90s, watched the show, but I don't give a ****. I was more of a FF/Avengers/Dr. Strange fan back then. Logan and Gambit were cool and all, but the show and the comics weren't what I was looking for at the time and it sure isn't today

 

[Docker2.0]

The next main x-men movie is going to be in the 90's though.

First Class was 1963
DOFP was 1973
Apocalypse was 1983
It only makes sense to continue the trend in what will most likely be 1993.

And that is the problem with the X-men and the time lines. Apocalypse happened in 1983 so how do you explain none of the cast members aging 10 years for the Phoenix saga? It's like they just f it! Don't ask, don't tell! Again, I haven't spent a dime on a Fox movie in years so I have no dog in the fight, just saying.

what age are we talking about exactly? because I grew up in the 90s, watched the show, but I don't give a ****. I was more of a FF/Avengers/Dr. Strange fan back then. Logan and Gambit were cool and all, but the show and the comics weren't what I was looking for at the time and it sure isn't today

Fox should have built on that cartoon but missed a golden opportunity with the first X-men movie by not making it comic booky and grounding it. Same thing with F4(getting back on topic). The F4 are explorers that go to distant stars, alternate dimensions and things we have never heard of who fight a tyrant who's rivals the best in both magic and technology but yet you want to put "realism" on it? Fox doesn't have a clue when it comes to their properties! Daredevil proved that.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

what age are we talking about exactly? because I grew up in the 90s, watched the show, but I don't give a ****. I was more of a FF/Avengers/Dr. Strange fan back then.

Fantastic Four & Avengers TAS were **** in the 90's so young fans who only watched good TAS like Batman, Spider-Man, Superman & X-MEN and didn't know or explore more into actual comics.

Which IMO contributes directly why those four IP's get more criticism from long time fans from those shows and why MCU movies can get by with any change because the fans from those days who are now adults in the social media area can voice out their criticism because the movies "aren't like the cartoons"


Most fans knew zero about every single MCU character from Iron Man in 2008 (Except Hulk) to Strange in 2016 because the brand awareness going into the movies. Which is a huge credit to what Marvel/Disney has accomplished. Back then 90% of these forums weren't even here we were debating Tom Cruise or the guy from Passion of the Christ for Iron Man. I forgot the studio that had the rights back then.

Eric Lewald explained in a interview back then there weren't a thousand channels so Saturday Morning you watched Batman then X-MEN then Spider-Man then Power Rangers on FoX Kids before playing ball at the park. X-MEN was the #1 show on FoX for Years. A children's show on Saturday morning that's a huge accomplishment. You may not have had a lasting impact but millions of others have.

I met a random girl yesterday that I thought was cute at the store before I went to see Logan again. During the convo she asked what I was doing today and I said going to see Logan and she lit up saying she grew up on that show as a kid. She's black and it meant a lot to see a Black Woman not only be powerful but also lead too. Having the strongest characters be women on a Saturday Morning cartoon and not make a big deal about it was unheard of if you've never read a X-MEN comic.

X-MEN has an impact on people its the only IP I know of with characters from all 7 continents. Characters of all ethnicities, religions, the first gay marvel character is an X-Man. FoX may not have done a lot right on film but that doesn't stop people from knowing how good X-MEN is.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I was certainly watching during that period, but I always thought Batman the Animated Series blew away the X-Men one.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

And that is the problem with the X-men and the time lines. Apocalypse happened in 1983 so how do you explain none of the cast members aging 10 years for the Phoenix saga?

Well mutants are supposed to have superior genes and all...

But seriously, it wasn't a problem in DOFP, at least not enough of a problem to affect that movie' success, so I don't imagine it'd be any different here.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Fantastic Four & Avengers TAS were **** in the 90's so young fans who only watched good TAS like Batman, Spider-Man, Superman & X-MEN and didn't know or explore more into actual comics.

and that kids read the comics first before they watched cartoon shows never crossed your mind? because I sure as hell did. One of the very first Marvel books I read contained both DoFP and the start of the Dark Phoenix saga (due to how they were published in Germany/Austria back then), great stories, (both completely botched by Fox btw.) but the FF, West Coast Avengers etc. were what made me fan at age 3 or 4. The cartoon was nice, but compared to the books available at that time, I know I prefered the books.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

and that kids read the comics first before they watched cartoon shows never crossed your mind? because I sure as hell did. One of the very first Marvel books I read contained both DoFP and the start of the Dark Phoenix saga (due to how they were published in Germany/Austria back then), great stories, (both completely botched by Fox btw.) but the FF, West Coast Avengers etc. were what made me fan at age 3 or 4. The cartoon was nice, but compared to the books available at that time, I know I prefered the books.

Iron Man was my favorite character for like 20 years before the film. But it is undeniable that the X-Men were far more popular than the Avengers in the 90s.

Unfortunately, it seems like many X-Men fans have had trouble adjusting to the idea that the X-Men have fallen substantially in terms of interest and popularity. Especially since Spider-Man has maintained his popularity (although he's been big since the 60s when the X-Men weren't very popular).

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Iron Man was my favorite character for like 20 years before the film. But it is undeniable that the X-Men were far more popular than the Avengers in the 90s.

I never disagreed with that, but I disagree with the implication, that for a 'whole generation' it was the ultimate experience.
especially since I'm part of that generation and so are most of my closest friends and the people I went to school with and I have enough anecdotal evidence to the contrary

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

and that kids read the comics first before they watched cartoon shows never crossed your mind? because I sure as hell did.

Of course they did. X-MEN #1 did sell 8m copies.

But I'm American and only speaking of the FoX Kids 90's phenomenon of Batman, X-MEN, Spider-Man, & Power Rangers


I honestly think kids got more out of Comic Book Show's & Video Games then actual comics. The #'s are completely one sided.


That's why next decade Marvel should have the entire market cornered from the children born in in the 00's & 10's.

Unfortunately, it seems like many X-Men fans have had trouble adjusting to the idea that the X-Men have fallen substantially in terms of interest and popularity.

I have no problem with Avengers being more popular than X-MEN.


My problem is that X-MEN has been systematically taken out by Marvel in outside film media that they own 100% of and taken out of the conversation for the next Generation. No animation, No video games that's how the youth relate to things not the comics.

So the X-MEN will be dead in the 2020's.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I honestly think kids got more out of Comic Book Show's & Video Games then actual comics.

That's a very sad thought

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I have no problem with Avengers being more popular than X-MEN.

I don't specifically mean you. But I've seen a lot of X-Men fans (and if you head over to the X-Men forums you'll probably see some of them) that really seem to struggle with the idea that it isn't the 90s anymore.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

That's a very sad thought

I blame the narrow market and many of the poor stories being published.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

that really seem to struggle with the idea that it isn't the 90s anymore.

I really really dislike Singer but he did one incredible thing for comic book x fans.


He made the mansion into a actual school!


100's of new mutants were created based off that idea from the movies.


I don't need the 90's dominance again. All I want is one new animated series & a new fighter and a new action RPG. And I'd never complain again. Hopefully X-MEN at least appear in Marvel IV... That game is going to be ridiculously popular like ESPN tournament broadcast level and X-MEN were the most popular from that series, can't see myself buying it without them smh

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I honestly think kids got more out of Comic Book Show's & Video Games then actual comics. The #'s are completely one sided.

That's a very sad thought

I definitely think this is a shift that occurred from about the mid eighties, and that's why I think there's a very different feeling regarding comic books depending on what generation you're from.

When I was a kid (in the 70's, born in '65), the the primary fantasy/escapism we had was comic books. Nearly everyone I knew read at least some comic books and knew at least something about them (and it was probably Marvel 70-80% with a few weirdos into DC )

But as we got into the eighties video games started taking a lot of the free time that had been devoted to comic books. And fantasy movies started coming out at a quicker pace and home video became a thing and comic books went from being the primary entertainment form to a somewhat boring alternative to other fantasy/escapism options.

And now it's all about the movies. People don't know about Iron Man and Captain America from reading comic books. They know them from the movies.

So comic books are a bigger deal to people of my generation than younger generations, but people of my generation aren't the biggest film-goers, so things sort of balance out and we have a broad spread of characters and styles that cross numerous generations.

Audiences have taken different routes to get to where we are today, but at this point, the good films cross generational boundaries and appeal to different people for different reasons - but when done right, they still have universal appeal.

 

[The Overlord]

I definitely think this is a shift that occurred from about the mid eighties, and that's why I think there's a very different feeling regarding comic books depending on what generation you're from.

When I was a kid (in the 70's, born in '65), the the primary fantasy/escapism we had was comic books. Nearly everyone I knew read at least some comic books and knew at least something about them (and it was probably Marvel 70-80% with a few weirdos into DC )

But as we got into the eighties video games started taking a lot of the free time that had been devoted to comic books. And fantasy movies started coming out at a quicker pace and home video became a thing and comic books went from being the primary entertainment form to a somewhat boring alternative to other fantasy/escapism options.

And now it's all about the movies. People don't know about Iron Man and Captain America from reading comic books. They know them from the movies.

So comic books are a bigger deal to people of my generation than younger generations, but people of my generation aren't the biggest film-goers, so things sort of balance out and we have a broad spread of characters and styles that cross numerous generations.

Audiences have taken different routes to get to where we are today, but at this point, the good films cross generational boundaries and appeal to different people for different reasons - but when done right, they still have universal appeal.

I think that's why its a big shame the FF never had a good movie, cartoon or video game, because of that the FF have way less cache then other comic characters with kids today.

At this point the characters comics have created are more important then medium they were created in and the real money in other media.