The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[Drseuss]

Nah if Disney dont like xmen in video games & animation, its their loss.......let them put Carol Danvers & Lady Thor all over the place. Lets see if fans would buy them.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

On a side note, is galactus a really bad judge of character? He choses really strong personalities for his heralds.
Just chose a wimpy bloke that does what he's told.

Maybe because if someone challenged his heralds, they would just do what they're told from the other person too.

Yeah, I can see the advantage of having a herald who will think and act on their own. What employer wants to hire someone who does what they're told and only what they're told?

And no matter how uppity they may get, I don't think Galactus would ever fear they'd be a threat. He only gives them a tiny bit of his power.

... and maybe having a taste of the Power-Cosmic makes otherwise weak individuals feel powerful and that makes them less compliant. (I feel like that element has been touched on in at least a couple of stories I've read)

...or maybe it's just a comic book with a bunch of silly, exaggerated, completely unrealistic elements and we should avoid over-analyzing things lest the whole house of cards fall apart.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, I can see the advantage of having a herald who will think and act on their own. What employer wants to hire someone who does what they're told and only what they're told?

And no matter how uppity they may get, I don't think Galactus would ever fear they'd be a threat. He only gives them a tiny bit of his power.

... and maybe having a taste of the Power-Cosmic makes otherwise weak individuals feel powerful and that makes them less complicit. (I feel like that element has been touched on in at least a couple of stories I've read)

...or maybe it's just a comic book with a bunch of silly, exaggerated, completely unrealistic elements and we should avoid over-analyzing things lest the whole house of cards fall apart.

On the application form or job interview, Galactus probably asks potential heralds in what ways they have shown initiative in their previous jobs and then asks them to describe a situation demonstrating this.

He probably asks them where they see themselves in 5 years time too. Norrin Radd should probably answer that in 5 years time he'd be regretting having become his herald.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

On the application form or job interview, Galactus probably asks potential heralds in what ways they have shown initiative in their previous jobs and then asks them to describe a situation demonstrating this.

He probably asks them where they see themselves in 5 years time too. Norrin Radd should probably answer that in 5 years time he'd be regretting having become his herald.

 

[metaphysician]

Its actually a recurring theme. Galactus does try different tacks with his Herald recruitment. They just present different problems. Strongly ethical Heralds make good scouts and better companions, until their ethics compel them to rebel. Ruthless amoral heralds are more loyal, until they aren't, and are also generally crappier company. Each new Herald tends to be a reaction to how the last one went sour, until they eventually remind Galactus why he picked the prior one.

 

[Xeno]

HAL 9000



Roy Batty

The true villain of Blade Runner is Rick Deckard. Roy Batty was a tragic antihero.

 

[Raiden]

Nah if Disney dont like xmen in video games & animation, its their loss.......let them put Carol Danvers & Lady Thor all over the place. Lets see if fans would buy them.

If X-Men is reliant on Fox to make movies for them in order to raise awareness to the casual fans and general public, then eventually people won't recognize X-Men too much. On the other hand, Capt. Marvel and Lady Thor can benefit from full support from comics to movies to merchandises. Even GOTG become household names so it's not inconceivable to see these female superheroes becoming more popular over time.

The truth is, X-Men is slowly losing their popularity under Fox, aside from Deadpool. Without merchandises, kids won't buy their toys and other things, and it means that without a new movie the public won't even know they exist, since comic book readership is very small compared to moviegoers. There's a reason why Avengers are so well-known right now, and when Infinity War is released they will be bigger than ever. For X-Men, there's Deadpool 2 and New Mutants, but not much else (unless you count the TV show Legion that is coming out soon).

 

[Darepool]

If Marvel could leave Mattel for the superior Hasbro, the FF could do the same...

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[Chris B]

Feige already said that currently there's no plan on getting F4 back from Fox. And I think the silence from Fox means that they will wait until the rights are almost expired before fast-tracking another movie so they can have the extension again. Fox has no interest in working with Marvel unlike Sony because they don't have to.

Are you referring to the comments he made around the time Dr. Strange came out? If so, I wouldn't read too much into that myself. Its probably better for Marvel to feign disinterest for the time being, especially if they are thinking about ways to get the FF back early.

Obviously the jury is out on whether or not Fox will make another attempt at the property, but I think that the disaster last time around will ultimately dissuade them from making another FF film.

 

[Lilbaz]

On the application form or job interview, Galactus probably asks potential heralds in what ways they have shown initiative in their previous jobs and then asks them to describe a situation demonstrating this.

He probably asks them where they see themselves in 5 years time too. Norrin Radd should probably answer that in 5 years time he'd be regretting having become his herald.

Just turn a dog into his herald great company loyal and would be good at "fetching" planets for him. All he'd want is cosmic treats and the odd belly rub.

 

[Peter_Quill]

Just turn a dog into his herald great company loyal and would be good at "fetching" planets for him. All he'd want is cosmic treats and the odd belly rub.

The Silver Schnauzer?

 

[Drseuss]

'The truth is, X-Men is slowly losing their popularity under Fox, aside from Deadpool. Without merchandises, kids won't buy their toys and other things, '


wait, who is in control of xmen merchandise? Since xmen merchandise started disappearing after disney bought marvel, does it have more to do with movie rights than movie quality?


and I think both sides have now admitted that marvel does root for xmen to fail, an argument being ridiculed as 'conspiracy' since the last thread ---
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=34863603&highlight=#post34863603

 

[Raiden]

'The truth is, X-Men is slowly losing their popularity under Fox, aside from Deadpool. Without merchandises, kids won't buy their toys and other things, '


wait, who is in control of xmen merchandise? Since xmen merchandise started disappearing after disney bought marvel, does it have more to do with movie rights than movie quality?


and I think both sides have now admitted that marvel does root for xmen to fail, an argument being ridiculed as 'conspiracy' since the last thread ---
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=34863603&highlight=#post34863603

Disney/Marvel own the merchandising rights for all X-Men and Deadpool, but they cannot make any based on the movies that Fox produces unless they would share the profits, which they don't want to do. But even for comics X-Men you don't see much being released, and it's intentional; Marvel doesn't want to promote them over the Avengers, and that's why you can hardly find anything related to X-Men in the store.

 

[Darepool]

Business 101.

Suess is a troll poster. I'm sure he's been here before (or already is) and was banned. His ineloquent prose with it's hemorrhoid butt hurt undertone looks and feels familiar.

 

[Drseuss]

Disney/Marvel own the merchandising rights for all X-Men and Deadpool, but they cannot make any based on the movies that Fox produces unless they would share the profits, which they don't want to do. But even for comics X-Men you don't see much being released, and it's intentional; Marvel doesn't want to promote them over the Avengers, and that's why you can hardly find anything related to X-Men in the store.

Thanks for proving my argument.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Also why they cancelled the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon and haven't made another one since.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fox probably could have gotten some X-Men merchandising concessions in exchange for the FF rights in 2015.

It appears they refused to do that and with each passing day, as we get closer to the unflinching reversion date, Marvel will have less interest in making a deal like that.

Not having X-Men merchandise hurts Fox far more than it hurts Marvel.

 

[Raiden]

Thanks for proving my argument.

Why should Marvel help Fox by making merchandises or promote them? Fox is now a competitor and it is far better to advertise the characters that are part of the MCU over the Fox movies. Marvel and Disney are a business that is interested in making money, and this makes business sense.

 

[Raiden]

Fox probably could have gotten some X-Men merchandising concessions in exchange for the FF rights in 2015.

It appears they refused to do that and with each passing day, as we get closer to the unflinching reversion date, Marvel will have less interest in making a deal like that.

Not having X-Men merchandise hurts Fox far more than it hurts Marvel.

Exactly. Deadpool is actually on a different agreement than X-Men so I think this is why Marvel handles him not like the X-Men, as I have seen more merchandises for him in the store. The thing is, people who cried about how Marvel was the one who sold the rights don't get it; Marvel is now part of the conglomerate that is Disney and it is no longer the same company that was on the brink of bankruptcy over 20 years ago. Marvel can now make decisions based on the big picture and their market value, and their ultimate goal is to reclaim all the movie rights back so they don't have to share profits with their competition. Making merchandises for X-Men and other Fox movies will only undermine this goal, and it's bad business for them.

 

[NealKenneth]

Is the merchadise/animation promotional or reactionary? I think that's why you'd see Marvel making Deadpool stuff but not X-Men stuff.

It's "riding the wave" versus "making a wave."

 

[Darkraid]

Sorry, but I've been collecting X-Men Funko Pops this year. They are releasing new pops for X-Men in waves.

 

[The Overlord]

Also why they cancelled the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon and haven't made another one since.

I think the X-Men are in a better place pop culture wise then the FF though.

Recently Fox released Logan and Legion (Marvel even helped promote Legion) and Logan is one of the best comic book movies and Legion is one of the best comic book TV shows. FF got stuck with Fan4stic a year and a half ago, not mention it looks like Fox is releasing an X-Men TV show on its main channel, we will have a sequel to Deadpool soon enough and likely more X-Men main movies and spin offs.

Even if the X-Men don't get another cartoon anytime soon, they still thrive in other areas of media, while the FF are just screwed.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think the X-Men are in a better place pop culture wise then the FF though.

Recently Fox released Logan and Legion (Marvel even helped promote Legion) and Logan is one of the best comic book movies and Legion is one of the best comic book TV shows. FF got stuck with Fan4stic a year and a half ago, not mention it looks like Fox is releasing an X-Men TV show on its main channel, we will have a sequel to Deadpool soon enough and likely more X-Men main movies and spin offs.

Even if the X-Men don't get another cartoon anytime soon, they still thrive in other areas of media, while the FF are just screwed.

True, which is reason 876 why Fox would be crazy to try to revive them.

It will be interesting to see what Marvel will do leading up to their FF film though.

 

[WeaponXCII]

I think the X-Men are in a better place pop culture wise then the FF though.

Recently Fox released Logan and Legion (Marvel even helped promote Legion) and Logan is one of the best comic book movies and Legion is one of the best comic book TV shows. FF got stuck with Fan4stic a year and a half ago, not mention it looks like Fox is releasing an X-Men TV show on its main channel, we will have a sequel to Deadpool soon enough and likely more X-Men main movies and spin offs.

Even if the X-Men don't get another cartoon anytime soon, they still thrive in other areas of media, while the FF are just screwed.

Speaking of "other areas of media", I was thinking: Fox holds the film rights to Fantastic Four and X-Men, right? So is there anything stopping Marvel from making, say, a live-action (Or can characters owned by separate studios only appear together in animated series? If that's the case, could Marvel create an animated MCU series with Fantastic Four and/or X-Men, and actors from the MCU reprising thee roles of their respective characters?) Netflix series about either group?

Furthermore, since Netflix isn't really television or film (it's sort of its own medium), could Marvel exploit this fact to their advantage? I'm not sure if the contracts cover "Netflix rights" (I mean, how could they have thought of such an idea so many years before it even existed?), but maybe they've been amended accordingly. Just going over some ideas for some potential "loopholes" so we don't have to wait until 2022 or later.

 

[dax]

Fox probably could have gotten some X-Men merchandising concessions in exchange for the FF rights in 2015.

It appears they refused to do that and with each passing day, as we get closer to the unflinching reversion date, Marvel will have less interest in making a deal like that.

Not having X-Men merchandise hurts Fox far more than it hurts Marvel.

Actually, this will hurt Marvel as much as it will hurt FOX. Their refusal to promote any X-men merchandise will not only drive away customers, it will also alienate a lot of X-men fans. Marvel can only do so much with the Avengers and the MCU but they are not helping their own company if they continue to shut out the X-men just because somebody else has possession of these characters.