The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[Zarex]

Is that supposed to be Director Simon Kinberg reading the Dark Phoenix script written by Simon Kinberg?

 

[Stark Bauer]

Given Fox's recent announcement of X Men movies and not a mention of Fantastic Four, this bodes well for The rights reverting to Marvel Studios! Also the fact that Marvel Studios is purposely holding back on announcing the TITLE of Avengers 4 and other Phase 4 movies, I am led to believe this is because they want to drop a MEGATON announcement with Fantastic Four being introduced either in Avengers 4 or in a Phase 4 movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

As much as I love the sound of this it could be a situation like the Skrulls. I have heard Marvel has access to the skrulls but Fox has the Superskrull. Thats always been the general belief. I still think some of these characters have been swapped in recent undisclosed deals. Hell....maybe even the whole FF property.

I just never expected some announcement......just little hints to it here and there.

Point one could be true, but given their identical appearance and powers if you have rights to one of them you basically have the whole bunch. If the only restriction is not using one name with lots of vowels, that's not much of a restriction.

Yeah, and another angle (and, damn it, I guess I need to use spoiler tags again)

Spoiler

Is that Uatu is THE Watcher and Uatu is inexorably linked (at least in the minds of comic book fans) to the FF. Of all the thousands of Charecters and alien races Marvel has to choose from, featuring Watchers without any hint of the FF would almost be a slap in the face of FF fans.

 

[Orba]

The character has been everywhere over the years but I would agree that they are most closely liked to the FF. They have never done enough with another Marvel franchise that I would say that they had tighter ties to the character than the FF. Therefore you would have to fall back on the first appearance... which was in the FF. The only way I could see the character not having been included as a part of the FF rights were if Marvel had kept the character out when the deal was made, but the character is not important enough to any story that I can see Marvel wanting to keep a hold of them. So its safe to assume that the character was a part of the FF rights package.

So if the character is having an appearance in the MCU it does seem to be either that the FF rights have reverted quietly or that Marvel got the character back as a part of some sort of deal with Fox like the Ego/Negasonic thing.

 

[Lilbaz]

An interesting detail about that:

Spoiler

Some have speculated/hoped Stan Lee would be revealed as Uatu. Why would Stan Lee be in space talking to the Watchers? Could he be a Watcher? (Maybe not even Uatu, but he could be a different Watcher) I remember someone commenting that in some of his scenes he has interfered with things, but maybe he's a not-so-great Watcher. As hinted by the others walking away.

Stan Lee is the one above all.

 

[Lilbaz]

Wow! And I don't think its a case of Marvel not having Uatu otherwise they would've used other Watchers to observe any events that at leased included the Infinity Stones.

This gives me pause as well.

We're talking about a Studio that's subjected to legislation that prevents them from using the word "Mutant" in their films. Yet has an F4 design in the background.

I don't see Marvel doing another Ego/MSTWH deal with Fox just to get a Watcher after credit scene and a picture of an F4 machine in the background of Thor 3.

Doesn't make any sense...

Marvel have the rights to all ff comics and the pictures in them fox don't.

 

[Web-Head]

With the MCU seemingly going more cosmic in the future, I think the Fantastic 4 rights will be really important to them soon.

 

[First Avenger]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/fantastic-four-may-return-marvel-comics

Looks like they are coming back in the comics at least.

 

[Orba]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/fantastic-four-may-return-marvel-comics

Looks like they are coming back in the comics at least.

Yeah, the FF seem to be most likely, I can't think of any others that would really fit.

 

[GoblinScrier]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/fantastic-four-may-return-marvel-comics

Looks like they are coming back in the comics at least.

I know we can be a bunch of conspiracy theorists on "well if this happens, then this will be result" type-scenarios, but in my opinion, so many of the things that have been happening the last few days between Kevin Feiges interviews involving the secrecy of avengers 4, the way they may handle future phases, etc, the possibility of the F4 coming back to comics, and that

Spoiler

Stan Lee/Watcher GOTG VOL. 2

, not to mention Fox's X related lineup with no mention whatsoever of F4, I can't help but think, their return is near....

 

[InCali]

Given Fox's recent announcement of X Men movies and not a mention of Fantastic Four, this bodes well for The rights reverting to Marvel Studios! Also the fact that Marvel Studios is purposely holding back on announcing the TITLE of Avengers 4 and other Phase 4 movies, I am led to believe this is because they want to drop a MEGATON announcement with Fantastic Four being introduced either in Avengers 4 or in a Phase 4 movie.

You guys are always getting my hopes up. I'm dying here.....

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/fantastic-four-may-return-marvel-comics

Looks like they are coming back in the comics at least.

 

[First Avenger]

Their return to the comics is definately interesting. It could also mean nothing though.

 

[Darkraid]

Kevin Feige is saying that Avengers 4's title is a Avengers 3 spoiler.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/165...snt-have-a-title-yet-according-to-kevin-feige

I really can't think of anything having a huge impact other than Fantastic Four coming home to Marvel.

Unless of course for Thanos killing everybody.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Kevin Feige is saying that Avengers 4's title is a Avengers 3 spoiler.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/165...snt-have-a-title-yet-according-to-kevin-feige

I really can't think of anything having a huge impact other than Fantastic Four coming home to Marvel.

Unless of course for Thanos killing everybody.

Marvel's The Avengers: Everybody Dies

Or

Marvel's The Avengers and The Fantastic Four: DOOM

What we DO know is there WILL be a Spider Man Homecoming sequel. What better way to introduce the Fantastic Four! Comic readers will know that in the first issue of The Amazing Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four make an appearance and Spider Man breaks into the Baxter building to audition to become the 5th member. Also Johnny Storm becomes one of his closest friends.

 

[Xeno]

An interesting detail about that:

Spoiler

Some have speculated/hoped Stan Lee would be revealed as Uatu. Why would Stan Lee be in space talking to the Watchers? Could he be a Watcher? (Maybe not even Uatu, but he could be a different Watcher) I remember someone commenting that in some of his scenes he has interfered with things, but maybe he's a not-so-great Watcher. As hinted by the others walking away.

Well, consider Uatu's behavior and reputation among his fellow Watchers. He repeatedly intervened in human affairs because of his emotional attachment to his obsrvation subjects. Uatu eventually became a pariah among his own people. That would match with The Man's appearances in the MCU.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Kevin Feige is saying that Avengers 4's title is a Avengers 3 spoiler.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/165...snt-have-a-title-yet-according-to-kevin-feige

I really can't think of anything having a huge impact other than Fantastic Four coming home to Marvel.

Unless of course for Thanos killing everybody.

Galactus or Silver Surfer... or Doom could be a possibility short of FF, but it is hard to think the title would be a spoiler unless it includes a character. And it's hard to think of any characters that would be spoilers other than FF related ones.

Or maybe Adam Warlock? But even if we consider it's a character other than FF, why keep it secret? We typically know years in advance that we'll be getting a Captain Marvel or Black Panther movie, for example.

If it is Adam Warlock

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whose appearance was apparently strongly hinted at in a different GOTG2 after credits scene

I don't know why they would keep that secret (or even necessarily put his name in the title).

It is an interesting thought exercise. How can the title of the film be a spoiler? I would think Galactus, Surfer or Doom are the three big characters I can imagine being huge spoilers who would also warrant inclusion in the title.

Of course the FF themselves would also be a huge spoiler and possibly deserve title credit, but I think that's much less likely than one of the above characters.

Would any particular story-line (not character related) potentially be a spoiler and included in the title? If so we're going to know that story spoiler long before the film comes out. But I guess at this point, we don't know much about where the first film will go, so something that might be a spoiler now, might not be a spoiler by the time we've seen the first film.

But that just leads back to the idea of "Why include a spoiler for the story in the actual title?" I would think a title could always be worded so as not to spoil the story, so I keep going back to the idea that it probably is a character (either FF related or other).

I suspect that 'spoiler' might be less appropriate a term than a 'reveal', and I further suspect that title reveal might happen at this year's D23.

 

[Spiderine]

Warlock was supposed to be in Gotg2. He may be set up for part 3. Think he will be Gunn's baby. This Avengers two parter seem to be ever changing from what it originally was. Just like when things were changing for Spidey inclusion. The whole future beyond 2019 seems to be changing. I always thought it was weird having Antman in between the two IW films.

 

[Orba]

Trying to think of event storylines that might be spoilers, the Infinity Wars/Gauntlet are being covered atm so its not those, and most of the other big events have included the FF and X-Men. Thinking about the big events over the years if the name is not for a heavily FF/X-men then the list shrinks. Also I'm not sure how much that might spoil the events of Avengers 3.

Thinking about the events there could be one from a couple of years back which could result in spoilers for A3, and thats if they were planning to do Secret Invasion.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Trying to think of event storylines that might be spoilers, the Infinity Wars/Gauntlet are being covered atm so its not those, and most of the other big events have included the FF and X-Men. Thinking about the big events over the years if the name is not for a heavily FF/X-men then the list shrinks. Also I'm not sure how much that might spoil the events of Avengers 3.

Thinking about the events there could be one from a couple of years back which could result in spoilers for A3, and thats if they were planning to do Secret Invasion.

Here's a crazy thought (as long as we're throwing poop at the wall). X-Men crossover?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Warlock was supposed to be in Gotg2. He may be set up for part 3. Think he will be Gunn's baby. This Avengers two parter seem to be ever changing from what it originally was. Just like when things were changing for Spidey inclusion. The whole future beyond 2019 seems to be changing. I always thought it was weird having Antman in between the two IW films.

Yeah, and while AW would be interesting, I don't know why he would necessarily be included in the title. But I can imagine Galactus being the kind of 'Boom!' that would make them want to put him in the title.

 

[Lilbaz]

Marvel keep things secret to generate speculation and talk about their films.
Who is peters dad?
Who is stalone playing etc...

 

[Zarex]

Here's a crazy thought (as long as we're throwing poop at the wall). X-Men crossover?

I don't think the current X-Men franchise has enough "juice" to warrant that, especially after the disappointing critical and BO results for Apocalypse. Marvel could generate the same level of excitement by including the Netflix Defenders into the mix, and they wouldn't have to cut a check to FOX.

My poop at the wall theory is that the title of Avengers 4 reveals that Thanos wins the Infinity War. Something like Avengers: Resurrection.

 

[Wise]

Guardians of the Galaxy post credits spoiler but a possible clue to Fox/Marvel relationship.

Spoiler

Though Uatu isn't mentioned by name, the Watcher species makes an appearance, three of them all looking exactly like Uatu.

 

[Lilbaz]

Guardians of the Galaxy post credits spoiler but a possible clue to Fox/Marvel relationship.

Spoiler

Though Uatu isn't mentioned by name, the Watcher species makes an appearance, three of them all looking exactly like Uatu.

Been discussed the last few pages if you want to see peoples views.