The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

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She's not immune to bullets and/or getting her bones broken in combat. You need some form of protective gear to supplement the flexible/skin tight suit too. She is scaling buildings after all. Knee/shin protection, gloves etc.
 
Nolan should definitely get some ideas from IM2, at least in terms of visuals, designs and action.

I think he's done well without having to look elsewhere for any inspiration.

Especially the action part, the end fight scene of Iron Man 2 was over in the blink of an eye!
 
She's not immune to bullets and/or getting her bones broken in combat. You need some form of protective gear to supplement the flexible/skin tight suit too. She is scaling buildings after all. Knee/shin protection, gloves etc.

SpiderMan isnt immune to bullets and injuries either, yet he doesnt wear kneepads despite all the jumping and dealing with great heights. Again, in this case unrestricted movement is a life or death situation. Spidey, the comic Batman and Catwoman are so agile and flexible that they all dodge bullets
 
I don't know if it's an entirely fair comparison. Batman has always been more protected and armed than Catwoman.

He fights crime; he's built for combat. She's a thief; she's built to avoid confrontation.
If she gets shot, she'll die. Not realistic.
 
Ditto The Joker and Scarecrow, and the mob's enforcers. Where was all their armour?

Should Catwoman carry a gun?

Think about it. If she is wearing an armoured suit, that means she is expecting to encounter gunfire. If that's the case, she will need something to shoot back with. After all, she doesn't have the childhood trauma which precludes their use by Batman. Nolan inserted most of the early Falcone scenes into BB purely to explain why he doesn't take the sensible measure of carrying a firearm.

If Catwoman is going to wear bullet proof armour, then she is going to have a gun.

It's realistic.
 
I think he's done well without having to look elsewhere for any inspiration.

Especially the action part, the end fight scene of Iron Man 2 was over in the blink of an eye!
1) Are you implying that Nolan hasnt been inspired by other works? Like Blade Runner for Begins, Heat for TDK, etc?
2) Would it be bad if Nolan took some inspiration from other works? Is it so difficult to admit that Favreau surpassed him in fight scenes with his Black Widow fight?
 
Hm... Blade Runner, Iron Man 2, hm... I wonder if they're even comparable as movies to be inspired by, hm... And, yeah, the BW fight was certainly flashy but no thanks to that for this Batman.
 
Hm... Blade Runner, Iron Man 2, hm... I wonder if they're even comparable as movies to be inspired by, hm...
I see your point but that movie is a million years old now. Besides i didnt say IM2 was citizen Kane, just that even such a simple movie could offer something and has outmatched Nolan in some areas.
For example I think that IM2 succeeded in the superficial stuff of imagery and action. If anything Favreau proved that you can take a real world park (Flushing NY, the site of the Stark Expo) and make it look more stunning than an imaginary city that all things go and you can do whatever you want.

The BW fight was amazing but of course "herpa derp that's too flashy for Nolan". Eveything must look bland and realistic (and if i wanted realistic i wouldnt have gone to see a FREAKING BATMAN MOVIE!!!!:cmad:). Even so, you can cut the flashy luchador moves and you'd still have a better fight than what Nolan has given us in his two batman movies.
 
I see your point but that movie is a million years old now.

So what? Still beats the crap out of most new ones. Its imagery is still stunning.

I think that IM2 succeeded in the superficial stuff of imagery and action.

I disagree. I love it, but definitely not for its non-existant action. The Expo was cool, but nothing that I find memorable.

The BW fight was amazing but of course "herpa derp that's too flashy for Nolan". Eveything must look bland and realistic (and if i wanted realistic i wouldnt have gone to see a FREAKING BATMAN MOVIE!!!!:cmad:).

You know me long enough to know I don't belong in the "herpa derp realistic" crowd. Come on.

Even so, you can cut the flashy luchador moves and you'd still have a better fight than what Nolan has given us in his two batman movies.

I disagree. She was posing every 2 moves, it was borderline breaking the 4th wall. What I love about Nolan's fights in TDK (since in BB I couldn't see anything) is that Batman goes somewhere, throws 2 punches and an elbow, spreads the pain, gets the job done and moves on. The moves and Nolan's direction get this across and that, to me, is truly badass. It's something Burton kinda did, albeit in a different way.
 
I disagree. I love it, but definitely not for its non-existant action. The Expo was cool, but nothing that I find memorable.
The few action scenes it had were great though.
You know me long enough to know I don't belong in the "herpa derp realistic" crowd. Come on.
You dont but its a common response these days and you kinda did say that.
I disagree. She was posing every 2 moves, it was borderline breaking the 4th wall. What I love about Nolan's fights in TDK (since in BB I couldn't see anything) is that Batman goes somewhere, throws 2 punches and an elbow, spreads the pain, gets the job done and moves on. The moves and Nolan's direction get this across and that, to me, is truly badass. It's something Burton kinda did, albeit in a different way.
People say that about her posing but it wasnt distracting to me. I just want some good fight scenes that arent boring elbow crap, nor flashy wire work - posing crap. Something in the middle.
 
The few action scenes it had were great though.

Yup, they were fun.

You dont but its a common response these days and you kinda did say that.

No, I didn't. I never mentioned the word realistic. And I do think that fancy choreography is not Nolan's approach to Bat-action. He likes it short, simple and brutal. And it just so happens that I agree.

I just want some good fight scenes that arent boring elbow crap, nor flashy wire work - posing crap. Something in the middle.

Well, you won't get it, except maybe for Batman vs. Bane or Batman vs. CW. But every thug he fights, it's gonna be like that.
 
There are many great fight sequences that Nolan can look towards for inspiration, and Iron Man 2's Black Widow scene is not one of them. In fact, nothing in any of the Iron Man films is good enough for inspiration.
 
No, I didn't. I never mentioned the word realistic. And I do think that fancy choreography is not Nolan's approach to Bat-action. He likes it short, simple and brutal. And it just so happens that I agree.

In my opinion, it's not just because fancy fight choreography is not Nolan's thing, it's because I think it just doesn't suit Batman. I always point people to the fight with Desh in The Bourne Ultimatum as the best example of how Batman should fight (with the addition of batarangs, bolas and other gadgets thrown in for good measure). It's fast, brutal and absolutely unrelenting. Batman should be known for his lethal combination of power, speed and efficiency. The fact that he could take out 10 thugs in less than 10 seconds should be why criminals should be terrified of him as they are so hopelessly outmatched by his almost inhuman prowess. Elaborate fight choreography wastes a lot of time and movement trying to appear 'cool' and 'flashy' and that is completely wrong for Batman.
 
Obviously Nolan can only draw inspiration from his superiors like Hitchcock, Kubrick and the likes. Everyone else is **** and Nolan shouldnt even bother.

TDK IS TAH BEST MOVIES IN TEH WORLD!
 
The Bourne fights were good although the shaky cam made my eyes hurt. Besides that they were great for that film franchise and i'm guessing Nolan's as well. I guess i want a less street level Batman.
 
In my opinion, it's not just because fancy fight choreography is not Nolan's thing, it's because I think it just doesn't suit Batman. I always point people to the fight with Desh in The Bourne Ultimatum as the best example of how Batman should fight (with the addition of batarangs, bolas and other gadgets thrown in for good measure). It's fast, brutal and absolutely unrelenting. Batman should be known for his lethal combination of power, speed and efficiency. The fact that he could take out 10 thugs in less than 10 seconds should be why criminals should be terrified of him as they are so hopelessly outmatched by his almost inhuman prowess. Elaborate fight choreography wastes a lot of time and movement trying to appear 'cool' and 'flashy' and that is completely wrong for Batman.

Pretty much agreed. Batman's coolness to me stems from his not bothering too much with thugs.
 
Obviously Nolan can only draw inspiration from his superiors like Hitchcock, Kubrick and the likes. Everyone else is **** and Nolan shouldnt even bother.

TDK IS TAH BEST MOVIES IN TEH WORLD!

Obviously, a director will draw inspiration from those he thinks are best. And Highlander: The Source is the best movie in the world, fool.
 
I agree with you; Batman's fighting style should be linear and efficient. All the same, I feel there is a bit of a problem with some of the fight scenes in TDK and BB, where it does not feel like much meaty contact has really occurred. In the Hong Kong fight sequence, one guard goes down because Batman nudges him with another guard's shoulder. It looks silly, and Nolan should have filmed another take.
 
..................................nvrmnd, just a lot of obvious babble.
 
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Ditto The Joker and Scarecrow, and the mob's enforcers. Where was all their armour?

Should Catwoman carry a gun?

Think about it. If she is wearing an armoured suit, that means she is expecting to encounter gunfire. If that's the case, she will need something to shoot back with. After all, she doesn't have the childhood trauma which precludes their use by Batman. Nolan inserted most of the early Falcone scenes into BB purely to explain why he doesn't take the sensible measure of carrying a firearm.

If Catwoman is going to wear bullet proof armour, then she is going to have a gun.

It's realistic.
Man, I don't care what anybody says: I loved the whole sequence where Bruce plans to kill chill, abandons the gun, and then finally goes to confront Falcone. The whole series of events was like a rolling epiphany for Bruce. Awesome.

I agree with you; Batman's fighting style should be linear and efficient. All the same, I feel there is a bit of a problem with some of the fight scenes in TDK and BB, where it does not feel like much meaty contact has really occurred.
Yes, I largely agree. As I mentioned in the fight thread, the action sequences are designed in such a way that flashy martial arts don't make much sense logistically; Batman isn't so much engaging people in fist fights as he is performing a series of takedowns on people nowhere near his league. I think that's a great approach to take when it comes to Batman versus Generic Thug #5 (where a different approach is required for Batman versus, say, Bane).

That said, I think your criticism is fair; these scenes were not always executed in a way that felt genuine and visceral, which is something the Bourne movies absolutely achieved. So yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with flash--and I certainly don't think Nolan should look at Iron Man 2 for inspiration, which I think largely featured action sequences that were just not plotted in interesting ways. They defeat Vanko with a goddamn high five six seconds into the fight.

There's nothing wrong with the direction of the Iron Man scenes, the problem is merely that nobody thought to script an action sequence that was actually interesting. It feels like, in the script, the description would have read as "They beat each other up and then Iron Man wins." Well, great. I'll take Nolan's carefully plotted sequences over that any day, even if the fist fighting isn't the most satisfying. Fortunately, fist fights aren't all there is, and the Joker chase in The Dark Knight is more exciting and satisfying than anything that appeared in the Iron Man films (not to insult Iron Man, which I love--Iron Man 2 not so much).
 
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