I used to think that they could do the comic-like 'lenses' look for the eyes with CG, and kind of move them accordingly like they do in animation depending on his expression and where he was looking. But the more I think about it, the weirder I think it would look in 'live-action', even if done well.
White eyes are intimidating in the comics and in animated movies/series because he can still move his eyebrows through the mask, and they can more easily accommodate the lighting. It wouldn't have anywhere near the effect it does in those mediums if done in live action. Unless they gave him something like animatronic eyebrows.
White eyes are intimidating in the comics and in animated movies/series because he can still move his eyebrows through the mask, and they can more easily accommodate the lighting. It wouldn't have anywhere near the effect it does in those mediums if done in live action. Unless they gave him something like animatronic eyebrows.
That's what I meant about doing it in CG, as if the mask part were flexible enough to move with his brow and such. But then you could be asking for some pretty extreme facial expressions in order to register enough visually, and it could be too much. Everything in comics and animation is exaggerated compared to live-action anyway.
Didn't mean to say Burton wasn't good with lighting he was but as much as I enjoyed that movie I still enjoy what Nolan did in TDK with working with shadows and Bats eyes.
I agree with you somewhat that Batman Begins doesn't really have a lot of good use of shadow to add a more air of "darkness" if you will to Batmans face let alone for the rest of his body in a bunch of scenes but there are a good amount of memorable play with good shading/shadowing.
I still really dug it, but in TDK thats not really the case for the exception of the garage intro scene and a few others. I also have to add that I still enjoy seeing shots where no shadows are present either in which the costume is almost fully shown with no obstructions. While Burton's Batman film is more stylized and does play well with the shadows and lighting based on the more fantastical side of tone he decided to go for and is fit for the setting it all took place in. Also to be fair there are plenty of shots in B89 where we get zero obstructions of any play with shadows or lighting as BB, TDK do in certain scenes so that isn't exclusive to one Batman movie.
Example:
Here are a bunch of examples of Nolan working well with shading/lighting/shadows, it can be missed if overlooked but yeah I would agree that the interrogation scene has some great little details that might be missed like parts of his shoulder looking almost gray which is hopefully a nod at the gray costume from the comics maybe I'm reaching but thats what I took it as and the eyes in this scene as KAW mentioned are pretty empty in a very never ending void:
Here's more what I was initially referring to when I said I fancied Nolans work with shadows with Batman:
I can't properly reply without actually seeing your examples. You're gonna have to re-host the images (I recommend this or this) as the one you're using now doesn't allow hotlinking.
White eyes are intimidating in the comics and in animated movies/series because he can still move his eyebrows through the mask, and they can more easily accommodate the lighting. It wouldn't have anywhere near the effect it does in those mediums if done in live action. Unless they gave him something like animatronic eyebrows.
It's not the brows. As evidenced by the fixed cowl features in all the suits thus far, it doesn't obstruct how effective emoting can be so long as the eyes can be seen.
What do you guys think of the hydraulics-assisted suit in TDK? would you like to see more of that in TDKR?
I personally thought it was quite good like when he bent the gun barrel and gives him that edge in a world where there are ever increasing numbers of criminals using firearms...since he refuses to use a gun this levels the playing field in a way
That shot with the gun barrel bothers me. Looks like rubber. In fact that whole fight scene bothers me. In fact all of the fight scenes bother me. Maybe they could bring schumacher back just to do the fight scenes.
The cowl's not bad...kinda' reminds me of the Keaton one. I still think Bale's in TDK was done well around the front face/mouth area. Actually...I thought Kilmer's suit/cowl was done pretty well and was nicely sleek. Only thing is he has rather close-set eyes and puckered lips which kinda' worked against the design.
But in terms of his lanky body/frame and proportions, and the more refined suit design from the original Keaton ones....it was pretty good overall look. Except for the nipples, of course.
I've always been curious, do people like the idea of Batman's suit looking like something natural, with muscle impressions and an organic look like the Burton/Shumacker movies, or the armor look of Begins and TDK?
despite it's flaws, the begins suit is still my favorite. I prefer the armor look over the muscle look that raises uncomfortable questions about bruce's priorities.
It's the best attempt at the basic spandex look I've ever seen. But no offence to David (who I assume made the rest of the suit as well as the cowl?) it shows that a more substantial material is required, and the grey should not be as light as that. It practically looks white. In comics, colours need to be higher contrast. But in real life, that level of contrast can look completely different.
It's the best attempt at the basic spandex look I've ever seen. But no offence to David (who I assume made the rest of the suit as well as the cowl?) it shows that a more substantial material is required, and the grey should not be as light as that. It practically looks white. In comics, colours need to be higher contrast. But in real life, that level of contrast can look completely different.
For all the work put into some of these fansuits, why don't they just use a muscle suit (or something!) underneath that thin layer of spandex? Seeing the actor's belly button (or worse, nipples) is an immediate turn off. You'd think they'd work on that, given the devotion to making it look "like the comic." You don't see that **** in the comic.
For all the work put into some of these fansuits, why don't they just use a muscle suit (or something!) underneath that thin layer of spandex? Seeing the actor's belly button (or worse, nipples) is an immediate turn off. You'd think they'd work on that, given the devotion to making it look "like the comic." You don't see that **** in the comic.
It's a good cowl. Really looks like the comic Batman.
It's the best attempt at the basic spandex look I've ever seen. But no offence to David (who I assume made the rest of the suit as well as the cowl?) it shows that a more substantial material is required, and the grey should not be as light as that. It practically looks white. In comics, colours need to be higher contrast. But in real life, that level of contrast can look completely different.
I agree on the material not looking substantial enough and that's no knock against the creator or the guys that did Dead End or whoever else is all for the spandex costume.
Personally I always thought that a heavy canvas well cut to the body can be quite resilient. I've been a martial artist my whole life so I've worn gi (or dobok depending on your lineage) for years and I'll tell you I've got 2, one in white I wear for Seido Karate (my teaching gig) which I've been wearing for about 8 years now and a black one I wear for Genbukan (and before that when I was with Bujinkan). I gotta tell ya, that really good, tough canvas moves well, can fit quite well, looks and feels substantial.
It's a good cowl. Really looks like the comic Batman.
It's the best attempt at the basic spandex look I've ever seen. But no offence to David (who I assume made the rest of the suit as well as the cowl?) it shows that a more substantial material is required, and the grey should not be as light as that. It practically looks white. In comics, colours need to be higher contrast. But in real life, that level of contrast can look completely different.
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