The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Box Office Thread II

[redhawk23]

And there's really no way this movie does those type of numbers. They'd be higher than every projection that I've seen and those projection sites have been pretty accurate. I don't get why TDKR needs to beat The Avengers, other than sheer stupid loyalty to a comic book company/movie studio who could also care less. People should just be happy that we're getting another great comic book movie this year.

The problem with projections is that they are designed to track films that are expected gross under 100 million or so. Once you're dealing with a movie that's expected to gross more than 150 million its just vague guess work as to whether it will gross really well, or ridiculously well.

 

[regwec]

I think TDK will continue to turn up in a lot of retrospectives because of a very strong performance from an actor who suffered an untimely death.

I'm not saying that the two films are polls apart, but I do think that the Nolan Batfilms are at least less predictable and more interesting to watch. And I say that as a Nolasceptic.

 

[Travesty]

Well, clearly TDK will be remembered more, for the mere fact that it got Obama into office.

 

[redhawk23]

The LOTR will be remembered by the virtue of the sheer number of technical innovations they pioneered. Neither the Avengers or Nolan's films can make that claim. Both of which are popcorn blockbusters aimed at the lowest common denominator. One simply takes itself more seriously than the other. I just don't see now one will be a film while the other fluff.

Presumably one film does not feature the "we have to stop the villains spinny machine thing on the roof!" plot that is in 65% of all superhero movies.


Also I have heard the LotR films called many things but never unimaginative.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Presumably one film does not feature the "we have to stop the villains spinny machine thing on the roof!" plot that is in 65% of all superhero movies.

Doesn't Bane have a device in this?

 

[redhawk23]

Well, clearly TDK will be remembered more, for the mere fact that it got Obama into office.

Sarcasm I hope.

 

[redhawk23]

Doesn't Bane have a device in this?

Is it on a roof? Is there a race to stop it? From what I've seen and heard it use is is fairly early on.

 

[Brother Jack]

Doesn't Bane have a device in this?

Actually, Bruce Wayne does.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The LOTR will be remembered by the virtue of the sheer number of technical innovations they pioneered. Neither the Avengers or Nolan's films can make that claim. Both of which are popcorn blockbusters aimed at the lowest common denominator. One simply takes itself more seriously than the other. I just don't see now one will be a film while the other fluff.

Disagree. Nolan's storytelling and subtext/themes are found compelling and engaging. The format in which he uses to display these elements doesn't make this trilogy just a 'popcorn flick'.

Of course though, that's just your own opinion.

 

[regwec]

Also I have heard the LotR films called many things but never unimaginative.

But that's what they are. All the "imagination" in them comes from JRR Tolkien. PJ snd co's feat was to bring all of it together to appear on screen, which needed considerable management of finance and people, and a lot of logistical know-how. But there are very few original stylistic innovations to be seen in those movies. Even the art direction was effectively subordinated into compliance with pre-existing illustrations of the text.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Disagree. Nolan's storytelling and subtext/themes are found compelling and engaging. The format in which he uses to display these elements doesn't make this trilogy just a 'popcorn flick'.

Of course though, that's just your own opinion.

A popcorn flick is any film that attracts a wide audience (lowest common denominator). So yes, they are popcorn flicks.

 

[The Shape]

A popcorn flick is any film that attracts a wide audience (lowest common denominator). So yes, they are popcorn flicks.

Sweet, so were the LOTR films I guess, so that means these films are in the same league!!!!

 

[The Shape]

But that's what they are. All the "imagination" in them comes from JRR Tolkien. PJ snd co's feat was to bring all of it together to appear on screen, which needed considerable management of finance and people, and a lot of logistical know-how. But there are very few original stylistic innovations to be seen in those movies. Even the art direction was effectively subordinated into compliance with pre-existing illustrations of the text.

Plus, those movies also act as drug-free tranquilizers. Just turn one on whenever you're having trouble sleeping. All of the walking and turning in slow motion will put you out like a light.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Sweet, so were the LOTR films I guess, so that means these films are in the same league!!!!

Who denies LOTR flicks aren't popcorn films? They cannot be compared because the level of innovation brought forth by Jackson and his crew far surpasses anything Nolan did.

80% of the stuff you saw in, say, the Avengers wouldn't be possible without LOTR's innovations.

 

[The Shape]

Who denies LOTR flicks aren't popcorn films? They cannot be compared because the level of innovation brought fourth by Jackson and his crew far surpasses anything Nolan did.

80% of the stuff you saw in, say, the Avengers wouldn't be possible without LOTR's innovations.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that the LOTR movies are 80% cartoons.

I think we can all agree that Nolan's innovation with these films has been his reliance (and advancement) of practical stunts, as well as his revolutionary use (and advancement) of IMAX filming technologies for major motion pictures.

Apples, oranges.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

A popcorn flick is any film that attracts a wide audience (lowest common denominator). So yes, they are popcorn flicks.

Popcorn Flicks are films that revolve around a meaningless narrative. The term, however, can be applied to most films by that logic (considering it's the job of writers and filmmakers to attract and entertain the masses).

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Popcorn Flicks are films that revolve around a meaningless narrative. The term, however, can be applied to most films by that logic (considering it's the job of writers and filmmakers to attract and entertain the masses).

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/popcorn+movie

 

[DoomsdayApex]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/popcorn+movie

And yet you know damn well how the term is applied on public forums such as SHH.

 

[buff17]

The opening day numbers are going to be intriguing. I predicted $88 million earlier in the thread. I can't see that it can go to much higher than Potter's recording breaking day. Though I wouldn't be suprised to see $95 million best case scenario...worst case it does $80m.

Saturday- I can't see it doing more than $70m which is what TA did. In fact, I'd prepare for less than that. No more than $67m, but the floor IMO is around $60m.

I think where everyone has it all wrong is Sunday. It's the key to the weekend if this wants to break the OW record. The opening day numbers will be strong regardless. Though the demand for this movie will be high on Saturday, so I have no doubt that sellouts will make a lot of business carry over to Sunday. If the usual Sunday drop isn't as big then this is a record breaker. TA only had a 18 percent Sunday drop. If TDKR breaks the record it's got to beat be close to that. So if the floor is $60m for Saturday, then the ceiling for Sunday is also $60m, so the floor is probably around $50m.

Worst case scenario.

$80m- Friday
$60m- Saturday
$50m- Sunday
-------
So $190m.

I still predict $210m.

 

[J.Howlett]

Who denies LOTR flicks aren't popcorn films? They cannot be compared because the level of innovation brought forth by Jackson and his crew far surpasses anything Nolan did.

80% of the stuff you saw in, say, the Avengers wouldn't be possible without LOTR's innovations.

Oh please. Jackson's last two Rings films pale in comparison to what Nolan's done on his last four films.

A level of innovation? My ass. He basically cribbed off Lucas for most of his "innovation" for the Rings Trilogy. What was the first thing he did when he started to get the Rings Trilogy together? He had Lucas' long time producer McCallum head down to New Zealand and asked for pointers, considering the mold Lucas broke on Episode I, despite what many feel about that film....

Go back and compare trilogies, from a technical perspective. I'll bet money that the Rings Trilogy hasn't aged as well, from a technical perspective, than the Prequels.

 

[db85usa]

Come on. No need for an LOTR/Dark Knight flame war two entirely different films. LOTR is a great fantasy/war epic while The Dark Knight trilogy is a great comic book, superhero crime-drama epic. Both great trilogies that will stand the test of time.

 

[herecomes]

The opening day numbers are going to be intriguing. I predicted $88 million earlier in the thread. I can't see that it can go to much higher than Potter's recording breaking day. Though I wouldn't be suprised to see $95 million best case scenario...worst case it does $80m.

Saturday- I can't see it doing more than $70m which is what TA did. In fact, I'd prepare for less than that. No more than $67m, but the floor IMO is around $60m.

I think where everyone has it all wrong is Sunday. It's the key to the weekend if this wants to break the OW record. The opening day numbers will be strong regardless. Though the demand for this movie will be high on Saturday, so I have no doubt that sellouts will make a lot of business carry over to Sunday. If the usual Sunday drop isn't as big then this is a record breaker. TA only had a 18 percent Sunday drop. If TDKR breaks the record it's got to beat be close to that. So if the floor is $60m for Saturday, then the ceiling for Sunday is also $60m, so the floor is probably around $50m.

Worst case scenario.

$80m- Friday
$60m- Saturday
$50m- Sunday
-------
So $190m.

I still predict $210m.

What you say sounds logical, then I read the numbers and 190 million using the worst case scenario and TA had like 205-210? At this point it doesn't even matter who beats who, other blockbuster movies owe us to present something as high quality as this t:

 

[DKDetective]

Technical accomplishments aside, the LOTR butchered the deeper themes and meanings of Tolkien's work at the expense of outward conformity to the source material. And I say this as a huge Tolkien fan, someone who came of age with the Hobbit and the LOTR books just prior to the release of the films. In my opinion, Nolan's Batman films do the exact opposite, they mine the source material for its deeper themes and meanings while altering superficial details. Personally, I think Jackson's LOTR trilogy is one of the most overrated works in geekdom. It doesn't really add any thing original. I find re-reading the novels to be a far more satisfying experience. Nolan's films add something unique and valuable to the Batman mythos. They have independent value on their own.

 

[jmc]

Come on. No need for an LOTR/Dark Knight flame war two entirely different films. LOTR is a great fantasy/war epic while The Dark Knight trilogy is a great comic book, superhero crime-drama epic. Both great trilogies that will stand the test of time.

Amen brother. I do believe though that a 'popcorn' flick is more or less a film that's big, loud, and doesn't require the viewers full attention to be watchable. Nothing wrong with them when they're done well, it's just more often than not they're not done well.

 

[tek]

all films to me are popcorn flicks. like popcorn. comparative judgments carry agendas. prediction wise this movie will be the biggest box office film this year