The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 105

[Carnotaur3]

That's not how I feel at all. And I think it's pretty clear what Bale was talking about. The only things Bruce doesn't have are the wife and kids thing. I could care less if it's with Miranda or Selina or a completely random new character. Hell, it could be with John Blake for all I care. I want him to either die or retire as Batman and have a normal life.

I agree with you, and I like that Bruce wants a life. This is in keeping with how he could be getting over his parents death. He wants a family of his own now. And being Batman was keeping the spirit of his parents alive. Money, jobs, none of these things equal happiness.

 

[AnneFan]

Catwoman and Batman can't settle down, as their careers never end - thus their interactions out on the street (where she's stealing and Batman is stopping her) never end. Though if their careers ended, and Selina does seem to have a bit of hero worship going on upon learning of Bruce's sacrifice - Bruce and Selina sans their costumed alter egos could work. Even if we don't see them together, them agreeing to make something of it. It's something that doesn't bother me in concept. This isn't exactly the comics or anything that came before it really. There are bound to be different things done.

 

[The Batman]

I don't think they were underutilized, though Scarecrow could have argument for that (he isn't the most interesting Villain to explore anyway), the showyness of Villains would have detracted from the point of how Batman began. And he began as the one thing that stood out from everyone else.

I agree with the showyness thing, and I think that was the Joker's point. To give Batman the proper focus he deserved in BB, we didnt get the Green suit wearing, immortal Ras or the over the top Scarecrow. Neither villain, imo was used to their fullest potential in order for Bats to shine brightest. With Bane, Catwoman, and Joker, that isnt the case.

 

[kthevs]

Catwoman and Batman can't settle down, as their careers never end - thus their interactions out on the street (where she's stealing and Batman is stopping her) never end. Though if their careers ended, and Selina does seem to have a bit of hero worship going on upon learning of Bruce's sacrifice - Bruce and Selina sans their costumed alter egos could work. Even if we don't see them together, them agreeing to make something of it. It's something that doesn't bother me in concept. This isn't exactly the comics or anything that came before it really. There are bound to be different things done.

Agree with you there. That pairing could only work if they are no longer Batman and Catwoman. They have to change and adapt and develop as characters.

Can't wait to see what Nolan does.

 

[shauner111]

My final prediction is Bruce not dying, but they all think he has. Bruce Wayne AND Batman are honoured and remembered forever. An emotional ending because of the funeral and what goes into it, with Gotham in shambles..but also because the final images are of Bruce being happy finally. Would they show him a few years later with children? I dont know but him being happy, free, at peace, knowing he'll be remembered & respected, knowing that even though Gotham was nearly decimated he still saved a good amount of lives/got rid of the violence and inspired citizens to step up.

Blake will have to make the choice, do i become Batman or a version of Nightwing and take care of the city that way from now on? Or am i inspired by Batman to be a better person without a mask and basically set out to be the next Gordon of his generation? That's my other prediction..that this part will be left to the imaginations of the audience.

Everything else will have an answer and a ending. If you have these scenes edited in a way that flows with Zimmers fantastic emotional score. You'll understand why people are saying the folks at early screenings were giving standing ovations with tears streaming down their faces lol. You dont have to have Batman dying to get folks to cry. There could be some flashback voiceover stuff from his parents from Begins at the end to tie it all together with massive emotion.

 

[JKMoneyShizzle]

everyone pipe down who cares if there is a "steal the show character" as long as its a good movie im going to be happy. If an actor does "steal"the movie it means he/she did one hell of a job and deserves to have recognition

 

[Carnotaur3]

I agree with the showyness thing, and I think that was the Joker's point. To give Batman the proper focus he deserved in BB, we didnt get the Green suit wearing, immortal Ras or the over the top Scarecrow. Neither villain, imo was used to their fullest potential in order for Bats to shine brightest. With Bane, Catwoman, and Joker, that isnt the case.

I thought Ra's was great in that he really wasn't a villain perse, he was just someone who had a different ideological path from Bruce. What I liked about him was the emotionality we had for him, even when he was doing terrible things. He was a great emotional villain, which I hope returns a little bit with Bane.

Scarecrow on the other hand is hampered by time and plotting, so he doesn't have any room to breathe. And I think Nolan should have been more creative with the fear gas. Is Rachel really afraid of maggots coming out of the mask?

 

[kvz5]

If Catwoman kills Bane against Batman's wishes and Batman knows about it, then I can't seem the two of them chasing rainbows together in the end. IMO.

 

[georgec]

That nuke the fridge spoiler page is too poorly written for me to think it's accurate. I think that by this point we all have a good sense of the general plot elements, however.

 

[Carnotaur3]

If Catwoman kills Bane against Batman's wishes and Batman knows about it, then I can't seem the two of them chasing rainbows together in the end. IMO.

I think Bane is going to go down by his own hand.

 

[AnneFan]

I think people are exaggerating the extent of their love in a way if it happens at the end. It doesn't have to be chasing rainbows or anything pushed to the far extreme. It can be a mutual understanding that there is something there and it can be worked at.

 

[The Batman]

I thought Ra's was great in that he really wasn't a villain perse, he was just someone who had a different ideological path from Bruce. What I liked about him was the emotionality we had for him, even when he was doing terrible things. He was a great emotional villain, which I hope returns a little bit with Bane.

Scarecrow on the other hand is hampered by time and plotting, so he doesn't have any room to breathe. And I think Nolan should have been more creative with the fear gas. Is Rachel really afraid of maggots coming out of the mask?

I agree on Ras...I actually hope Bane is more of a straight up badass villain, really. I think Bane should be someone you hate, especially as he becomes more and more unstoppable.

And yeah, you could tell that they possibly couldve done more with scarecrow and just didnt have the time for it.

 

[kvz5]

I think Bane is going to go down by his own hand.

That's my preference as well.

 

[Blue Sugar]

They should have made Catwoman and Bane bland so they didn't threaten to steal the show, cause stealing the show means everyone else will suck and that it won't be Bruce´s story at all.

 

[AnneFan]

Catwoman killing Bane is my preference. Bane can have his death wish by demanding Batman do it, but he won't due to his one rule. I don't see the outcry over it really, lol.

 

[pixiesvision]

They should have made Catwoman and Bane bland so they didn't threaten to steal the show, cause stealing the show means everyone else will suck and that it won't be Bruce´s story at all.

No one is saying that, come on...

 

[The Batman]

They should have made Catwoman and Bane bland so they didn't threaten to steal the show, cause stealing the show means everyone else will suck and that it won't be Bruce´s story at all.

Man, am I glad you are the only person in this thread who has actually said that.

 

[The Batman]

No one is saying that, come on...

Its not the hype if people dont make lame sarcastic parodies of posts, while completely missing the point said posts were trying to make.

Now, I'm just waiting for someone to claim that everyone is "freaking out" while trying to sound like they're the voice of reason.

 

[JKMoneyShizzle]

I think Bane is going to go down by his own hand.

thats the biggest possibility however id rather batman finish him off or have miranda do something about it

 

[Carnotaur3]

thats the biggest possibility however id rather batman finish him off or have miranda do something about it

Well, I can see a power struggle for the bomb and Bane going down because he's trying to stop Batman. Batman is sort of involved in his death, but Bane is the one who kills himself.

I've also had this crazy image of Bane jumping on the Bat and trying to break into the cockpit as the vehicle ascends with the bomb in the air and they both blow up.

 

[pixiesvision]

Its not the hype if people dont make lame sarcastic parodies of posts, while completely missing the point said posts were trying to make.

Now, I'm just waiting for someone to claim that everyone is "freaking out" while trying to sound like they're the voice of reason.

Gotcha.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Come one, I was being hyperbole on purpose!

 

[Kansiov]

Well, I can see a power struggle for the bomb and Bane going down because he's trying to stop Batman. Batman is sort of involved in his death, but Bane is the one who kills himself.

I've also had this crazy image of Bane jumping on the Bat and trying to break into the cockpit as the vehicle ascends with the bomb in the air and they both blow up.

Wasn't it revealed that [blackout]the final Bane/Batman fight would be at City Hall?

It would be likely that the device would be taken out through that final vehicle chase scene.[/blackout]

 

[The Batman]

Come one, I was being hyperbole on purpose!

^ Man, it happens so often, its hard to tell when one is doing it as a joke.

 

[JKMoneyShizzle]

Well, I can see a power struggle for the bomb and Bane going down because he's trying to stop Batman. Batman is sort of involved in his death, but Bane is the one who kills himself.

I've also had this crazy image of Bane jumping on the Bat and trying to break into the cockpit as the vehicle ascends with the bomb in the air and they both blow up.

as much as eveyone wants to see bane killed but killed in a way that batman doesnt physically kill him id rather see the reverse. Batman has his one rule but like he stated hes not afraid anymore hes angry. If Alfred and perhaps gordan are killed those are close friends to him, it would be a sight for sore eyes to see batman ruthlessly take out all his aggression and hatred on bane to the point the audience is stunned.

That or i want the batman to die