The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 105

[Yawsbass]

He/she said that Bane "steals the show" but then proceeds to say that Bruce "didn't play second fiddle to the villain like in TDK" and then he said that Anne's Catwoman will most likely get the Oscar recognition. How can someone who stole the show not be the one who gets Oscar recognition? It's just the way the descriptions are worded. No big deal. The person might've just struggled with trying to describe his feelings.

I get that, but a person can steal the movie while somebody else gives the all around better performance. Not saying I'm lending credence to this "review", but I don't think that part poses problems.

 

[Cassandra Cain]

Remember, tears don't necessarily mean it's a sad ending. This film is going to be a hell of a journey, however we end up landing when it's all said and done is bound to be very emotional.

I sure hope you're right. Seriously, I DO NOT want Batman to die at the end of this. End of his story or not, it just wouldn't feel right.

 

[AF3619]

has anyone seen this (is a parody of the chant):
[YT]jD3J3hZNqrM[/YT]

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I would assuredly like to believe that review... but it's from IMDB.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

I don't know how Bane gets defeated... but I think this has something to do with it and I think this, even though we've had it for a long time, is the biggest spoiler of the whole movie.

Spoiler

Logically, this shouldn't be long after that...

Spoiler

The articles have said Bane can't survive without his anesthesia he receives from his mask, so if he doesn't have that, maybe he does die.

But the "rumors" about him taking his mask off and committing suicide are wrong.

Spoiler

Judging by that gif, He obvious did not want that mask off at all...

 

[kthevs]

Well, Batman is supposed to be monthly ongoing story with no end in sight, with the possible exception of old man Bruce tutoring some young rapscallion in a jetpack future. And Catwoman and Batman have been married before in the comics; a theme that appears to be repeated in the New 52. Lots of writers have focused on the idea of Batman and Catwoman having a fairly deep and possibly finalized relationship beyond the cowl and mask. It's also all but confirmed that they will be aware of each other's secret identities well before the final battle, one of the hallmarks of a more serious Bat/Cat relationship (and one of the easiest ways to tell the new comic Catwoman has a more shallow relationship with Batman. One of the more...subtle clues.)

And as fun as big teases are, I don't see anything inherently wrong with the possibility that Catwoman and Batman hook up on a permanent basis at the end of TDKR. Provided, of course they are both still alive and not at odds.



Yeah, I honestly don't see Catwoman killing Bane either. I figure Bane will either die when his mask breaks, slowly but surely, or someone else like Miranda Tate stabs him. But first he must be absolutely defeated and broken by Bruce Wayne. If someone else makes the kill-shot, Gordon, Foley or Blake seem just as likely as Catwoman.

Speaking of Gordon, we have seemingly no information on the fates of most of the supporting cast. I can see Alfred being killed by Bane in front of Bruce as the final straw before Bruce climbs out of the pit, and that would explain why we don't seem to have any confirmed Alfred action post-sewer fight. And if someone's going to make a heroic sacrifice, Gordon would fit the bill pretty nicely: The old guy who owes something to the hero decides to thank him by giving him a future.

Post of the century.

 

[kvz5]

That's not contradictory. Perhaps Nolan struck a balance.

I get that, but a person can steal the movie while somebody else gives the all around better performance. Not saying I'm lending credence to this "review", but I don't think that part poses problems.

Oh I trust that we'll get stand out performances from everyone and there will be more of a balance this time. I just think the phrases used were contradicting but it looks like it's just me.

Then he's lying. While a good deal of what nukethefridge sounds dubious the one part that is true is that Bane was part of the LoS and kicked out by Ra's.

That was confirmed through one of those official fact booklets or whatever.

There we go.

 

[Cassandra Cain]

has anyone seen this (is a parody of the chant):
[YT]jD3J3hZNqrM[/YT]

I love that guy.

 

[Deserana]

Then he's lying. While a good deal of what nukethefridge sounds dubious the one part that is true is that Bane was part of the LoS and kicked out by Ra's.

That was confirmed through one of those official fact booklets or whatever.

He didn't say they were all false he just said that some of the spoilers were not true on the site. Sorry my fault.

 

[BestGirl]

Most people who cite Batman and Catwoman's marriage fail to explain that their marriage only existed in an alternate universe which was a pastiche of the Golden Age universe, where Selina was the only credible love interest Batman had. It was safe to marry Earth 2 Batman, he wasn't the "main" Batman anyway.

Also, where did you get the idea that Bruce and Selina were married or close to marriage in the New 52 Verse? If anything, its the opposite. Like you mentioned, Its back to square one where Selina dosent even know Batman's identity, with Bats and Cats being pretty much friends with benefits. Not only that, in another Batbook Bruce was in a relationship with someone else, while flirting with a rich girl in another book.

While Bruce and Selina's relationship has been examined, it always comes down to the fact that Bruce can't trust Selina. Writers like Grant Morrison understand that their relationship is better when its marked with tension. Batman and Catwoman really aren't supposed to end up together, and its good that most creators seem to understand that.

But Bruce isn't supposed to retire or die, either. His is supposed to be a neverending fight against crime, yet it's extremely likely that his career of Batman is coming to a close. The Nolans could twist the Batman/Catwoman relationship in a similar way.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Don't worry guys, Batman will def. not die.

And Catwoman and him won't be galloping off together forever.

She will be aligned with him and leave him with blue balls after playfully screwing him over once again leading him to smile. They're destined to do this forever.

 

[pixiesvision]

Yeah, plus Bale/Bruce can't technically steal the show, when it's his show to be stolen.

To be honest, I'll be a little miffed if Bruce isn't the stand out this time around. It's his story and it should hit everyone hard if his story is that emotional.

 

[Char]

How likely is it that Batman uses his cane, not because of Bane, but because of his fall at the end of TDK?

 

[The Batman]

But Bruce isn't supposed to retire or die, either.

Batman Beyond would like a word with you.

In that, he does retire, and he ends up alone. Bruce can attain happiness without shacking up with Miranda OR Selina, two untrustworthy women with their own agenda at the end of the day.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

He/she said that Bane "steals the show" but then proceeds to say that Bruce "didn't play second fiddle to the villain like in TDK" and then he said that Anne's Catwoman will most likely get the Oscar recognition. How can someone who stole the show not be the one who gets Oscar recognition? It's just the way the descriptions are worded. No big deal. The person might've just struggled with trying to describe his feelings.

The film can focus more on Bruce/Batman but Hardy's performance as Bane steals the show.
And the Academy is a joke so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the show stealer wasn't recognized.
Anne is more "Oscar Material" than Tom I guess.

 

[Deserana]

He/she said that Bane "steals the show" but then proceeds to say that Bruce "didn't play second fiddle to the villain like in TDK" and then he said that Anne's Catwoman will most likely get the Oscar recognition. How can someone who stole the show not be the one who gets Oscar recognition? It's just the way the descriptions are worded. No big deal. The person might've just struggled with trying to describe his feelings.

Bane could be a fantastic villain but no matter what a lot of people will be going in to and coming out with the expectation that he won't be as good as The Joker so not really much buzz around him as he is a much more to the point villain compared to the scenery chewing Joker. Also a lot of people thought that The Joker largely overshadowed TDK and Bruce whereas in this one the villain isn't elaborate or theatrical and more straightforward. Also Anne may get more recognition because of the massive backlash to her announcemount of being given the role therefore will surprise people the most.

 

[BatLobster]

The nostalgia critic's chant OMG

 

[kvz5]

Anne will definitely get nominated this year. Just not for TDKR. The AMPAS will not award her for TDKR when they can award her for a more Oscar friendly movie like Les Miserables.

 

[The Batman]

To be honest, I'll be a little miffed if Bruce isn't the stand out this time around. It's his story and it should hit everyone hard if his story is that emotional.

This.

Thats why it sucks that this will most likely be a Batman Returns type of situation, just as TDK was a B89 situation.

Catwoman has been designed to get attention, and all these complaints against her character only fuel that fire.

There's a good chance that once this movie hits, most people will be praising Anne and pretty much ignoring everone else.

 

[pixiesvision]

Anne will definitely get nominated this year. Just not for TDKR. The AMPAS will not award her for TDKR when they can award her for a more Oscar friendly movie like Les Miserables.

Exactly. I don't know why people are so set on either Tom or Anne being nommed for TDKR. It's not going to happen. The competition is way too strong this year from other films in the acting categories.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Anne will definitely get nominated this year. Just not for TDKR. The AMPAS will not award her for TDKR when they can award her for a more Oscar friendly movie like Les Miserables.

This.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

This.

Thats why it sucks that this will most likely be a Batman Returns type of situation, just as TDK was a B89 situation.

But the dude said Bruce has more to do. Lets not proclaim doom and gloom yet.

 

[pixiesvision]

This.

Thats why it sucks that this will most likely be a Batman Returns type of situation, just as TDK was a B89 situation.

Gee I hope not. Although it gives me some relief that Nolan emphasizes that TDKR will focus on Bruce's story/arc.

 

[The Joker]

This.

Thats why it sucks that this will most likely be a Batman Returns type of situation, just as TDK was a B89 situation.

Catwoman has been designed to get attention, and all these complaints against her character only fuel that fire.

There's a good chance that once this movie hits, most people will be praising Anne and pretty much ignoring everone else.

 

[kvz5]

Exactly. I don't know why people are so set on either Tom or Anne being nommed for TDKR. It's not going to happen. The competition is way too strong this year from other films in the acting categories.

Especially the male categories. Crowded as hell with Oscar favorite actors and more Oscar baity roles from award friendly movies for both the Lead and Supporting! There are more open slots in the actress categories. It's too early to tell though but I'd still say that unless there's another breakout, Anne will get the Best Supporting Actress gold for Fantine.