The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 116

[stefan850]

Very rarely does a bad film win best picture (i think Crash was the last one) but most of them are films I'd rarely consider the best of the year, The Artist, Kings Speech, Forrest Gump, Slumdog, Million Dollar Baby, Beautiful Mind, English Patient etc etc...I mean you get the ones that rarely deserve the award like Return of the King, No country for old men, the departed etc etc...but there's clearly a pattern with most of them...the academy has a certain taste, and it's just outdated.

Rocky over Network, All The Presidents Men, and Taxi Driver

Kramer Vs Kramer over Apocalypse Now

Ordinary People over Raging Bull

Dance with the wolves over Goodfellas

Forest Gump over Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption

English Patient over Fargo

Shakespeare in love over Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line

Titanic over LA Confidential

Crash over Brokeback Mountain

The King's Speech over Social Network



TDK not even getting nominated...etc...etc...etc

Academy is becoming irrelevant in this day and age and doesn't mean that much in a long run....


For example, Fight Club, penned by the critics and not even nominated will be much more acclaimed and more fondly remembered than half the best picture winners from the 90's and 2000's

 

[KalMart]

Yes and no, they still cater to the more sentimental and soppy fare, which is why "oscar bait" has become a term. If they really based it all on pure artistic merit...then half the films they chose wouldn't have been nominated let alone win best picture. No one can ever convince me or most film audiences and critics that Forrest Gump was a better film than Shawshank and Pulp Fiction, and that they were simply more "popular". It's just Forrest meets the criteria a little more.

Ghost was nominated the same year as Goodfellas...the year that Dances With Wolves won.

 

[lililatigresse]

Very rarely does a bad film win best picture (i think Crash was the last one) but most of them are films I'd rarely consider the best of the year, The Artist, Kings Speech, Forrest Gump, Slumdog, Million Dollar Baby, Beautiful Mind, English Patient etc etc...I mean you get the ones that rarely deserve the award like Return of the King, No country for old men, the departed etc etc...but there's clearly a pattern with most of them...the academy has a certain taste, and it's just outdated.

I think most Best Picture winners and nominees now are not bad, but they are mediocre and won't pass the test of time. Before the AMPAS used to have more ambition.

Now, it's like they don't try to make the best film possible anymore, they just try to make a Best Picture nominee.
They have those films for the awards season and then, people forget about them once the season is over.

 

[stefan850]

I think most Best Picture winners and nominees now are not bad, but they are mediocre and won't pass the test of time. Before the AMPAS used to have more ambition.

Now, it's like they don't try to make the best film possible anymore, they just try to make a Best Picture nominee.
They have those films for the awards season and then, people forget about them once the season is over.

Harvey Weinstein is trolling the academy and using it to make more money. Making a oscar bait picture, realising it just before the awards season begins, actually winning (with stupid **** like Shakespeare in love) and profiting of it.

 

[Sharkboy]

Ghost was nominated the same year as Goodfellas...the year that Dances With Wolves won.

Oh god, don't remind me of that crap.

 

[Anno_Domini]

That's too bad, it would have been great to have seen them all together....

Do we really need another Mad Max movie? lol

As for Anne's hair cut...well yeah, she looks alot different.

Do we need another Mad Max movie starring Tom Hardy?

**** yes.

 

[Cannikin]

Oh god, don't remind me of that crap.

Tatanka!

 

[lililatigresse]

Harvey Weinstein is trolling the academy and using it to make more money. Making a oscar bait picture, realising it just before the awards season begins, actually winning (with stupid **** like Shakespeare in love) and profiting of it.

Yes but the members of the academy chose to play that game. They are the one with the power, they are the one who vote. So people need to stop blaming Weinstein.

But I bet most members don't even watch films, they probably just go to screenings during the awards season for the party or something. They are not films fans. Somebody seriously needs to clean the academy.

 

[Nevincer]

Yeah Tom's busy being Mad and Marion's busy not being as attractive as Anne.

Spoiler

That settles it. You're insane.

 

[stefan850]

Yes but the members of the academy chose to play that game. They are the one with the power, they are the one who vote. So people need to stop blaming Weinstein.

But I bet most members don't even watch films, they probably just go to screenings during the awards season for the party or something. They are not films fans. Somebody seriously needs to clean the academy.

Oh, I don't blame Weinstein at all. More power to him! I'm just saying that an Academy Award is not what it used to be. Films dont need it to get prestige.

They never really did, look at Citizen Kane and Hitchcock but they need it now even less then before.

 

[shauner111]

You guys really need to watch more movies. There's more to cinema than just comic book films.

LOL there's more to movies than the ones you mentioned as well. I watch loads of films. Ill get around to watching them but they're not high up on my list because the genre isn't of particular interest to me.

Than just comic book films eh? I watch plenty of foreign films, huge fan of Kubrick, PT Anderson, Lynch, Chan-wook Park, Tarantino, Refn, Leone, etc. Not a CBM fan most of the time

 

[lililatigresse]

Oh, I don't blame Weinstein at all. More power to him! I'm just saying that an Academy Award is not what it used to be. Films dont need it to get prestige.

They never really did, look at Citizen Kane and Hitchcock but they need it now even less then before.

Then, I agree 100% with you.

 

[Fullmetal]

Once TDKR comes out it might change people's point of view at the Oscars but even if doesn't win best motion picture (which I think it will hands down) but it could win best trilogy awards.

 

[lililatigresse]

 

[Maram]

Once TDKR comes out it might change people's point of view at the Oscars but even if doesn't win best motion picture (which I think it hands down) but it could win best trilogy awards.

 

[Sharkboy]

Once TDKR comes out it might change people's point of view at the Oscars but even if doesn't win best motion picture (which I think it will hands down) but it could win best trilogy awards.

I'd love it if you actually watched it and didn't like it.

 

[Nevincer]

Fixed.

Spoiler

Ha. Pretty much... (i.e if it wins anything it'll be some spike award rubbish )

 

[Deserana]

Nolan didn't even get a goddamn Oscar nom for Inception I will be utterly thrownback if it wins Best Pic.

 

[Maram]

I'd love it if you actually watched it and didn't like it.

I would love that. "Epic Failure Movie. Nolan is one of the worst directors of all time. Dark Knight Rises obviously automatically is worst movie ever. Everyone agrees."

 

[HiSho]

Funny, I saw this and immediately thought "Christian Bale should totally do a movie with Mann!"

 

[corkyberlin]

I've noticed in close ups of Hardy in costume that his skin, especially on the shoulders and arms, has an odd texture, almost like a peeling sunburn covered with makeup. Does this have any significance to the character or did Hardy get too much sun?

not sure if anyone responded to this, but it's b/c of his tattoos.

He has a few on his upper arms/bicep, and they are absolutely NOT the kind of thing you'd expect on a comic book villain.

 

[Maram]

Nolan didn't even get a goddamn Oscar nom for Inception I will be utterly thrownback if it wins Best Pic.

But....it....was nominated....

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

TDKR FEATURETTE

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[Nevincer]

Whoa... a featurette

 

[Sharkboy]

If TDKR is as good as TDK, i have no doubt it could be nominated for anything it wants...but it's still not winning best picture.

And it really doesn't matter, like an above poster said, some of the best films of all time have been passed over by lesser films, usually oscars are nice to add next to a directors name (so i hope Nolan get's an oscar sometime down the line) but even still....oscars just don't mean much to anyone who isn't a small time indie director, or some guy who made a great film trying to make it big, but Nolan is at the point in his career where he can make anything he wants to, he's a critical darling and WB pretty much treat him like a king...it's a rare place to be, but i'd take that over oscar winner/nominee anyday.