The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 117

[steezymcfresh]

The greatest film ever made.

Bad? If you see Chris Nolan around, ask him (or any other director) if he thinks Heat is a bad film.

I'm not relating this comment to Heat at all but I recently saw a clip of Nolan praising Tree of Life and Terrance Malik, which I couldn't even finish because I was so bored. So just sayin, just because Nolan likes something doesn't mean I/you should have to :P

 

[Steyin]

That's pretty cool, but how long did it take you to hunt yourself out Where's Waldo style?

Actually only took me a few seconds.

 

[Nevincer]

"Fear, chaos, pain?"

"Yeah, in a way. Or consequences. There's a lot about the consequences of actions. There's a lot about being true to where we left things and where we left the characters at the end of 'The Dark Knight'. We really tried to push that forward, saying, 'OK, where would that really go if we carried that story on?"

Thank you

 

[Bads316]

For you Heat fans, check this trailer out I made a couple of years ago, you might enjoy it http://vimeo.com/8163599

Very nice!

 

[stefan850]

I don't see that happening. The clumsy/forced dialogue as you put it is almost expected now. And I'm fine with that. It gives these movies character.

Also I think a lot of people find Batman Begins far more enjoyable now than ever. I know I do.

As I said I love Batman Begins and now it's almost certain I will love TDKR, Nolan will pull of the full circle Trilogy story and I will also love Batmen begins even more.

I was just saying by judging it not as biased absolute fan of Batman since I was 5 years old, absolute fan of movies in general, and someone who wanted to see a Batman movie done right since I know of myself but as a "regular person" it is a great example of comic book movie done right but nothing else.

Judging it on it's own merits, it's on par with Die Hard I for example, a great genre movie, done absolutely right.


Same way I absolutely love Heat, but I dont thin it's the best movie ever. Al Pacinos wife character opening her mouth made sure it will never be in general one of the best movies. It will be one of my favourites, one of my most loved ones, just as Batman Begins...but something I think it's one of the best in the medium? No.

 

[KalMart]

It is far from perfect, not as good as the others in that list by the pure "quality" but I respond to it emotionally in a certain way that makes me absolutely love it.

With that said it is a great movie, far from bad. It is also critically acclaimed, becoming even more acclaimed as time goes by so I don't understand your confusion. It is not common knowledge that Heat is a bad movie, just the opposite. If anyone should be confused its me. To not like it as much as I do? Sure, perfectly understandable . To think its "pretty bad". Not so much.

I think the cast pulled a fair amount of wool over people's eyes, and it wasn't even one of the better performances from Pacino/DeNiro. And there's no 'confusion' on my part, quite the opposite as I see the weak story and characterization as what they are.

Heat is a very good movie.

No it isn't. Has a nice shoot out, but as an actual film it's pretty ham-fisted...even with such powerful actors. It's like some highschool kid wrote their John-Woo-Ish crime-drama-like thing, then someone put a lot of money and big-name actors in it.

But anyway, that's off-topic.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm not relating this comment to Heat at all but I recently saw a clip of Nolan praising Tree of Life and Terrance Malik, which I couldn't even finish because I was so bored. So just sayin, just because Nolan likes something doesn't mean I/you should have to :P

You don't need Nolan to tell you how grand the Tree of Life is. Is it flawed? Yes. Does Malick go too far with his ethereal style sometimes? Yes. Are the monologues stilted? Yes.

But the middle stretch painting the growing up of the main character in rural America is amazing filmmaking.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Nolan's films are different in tone enough that everybody will have clear preference of one film over the rest. It's not like Spidey 2 which is clearly superior to Spide 1 or X-2 over X-1.

BB, TDK, and TDKR (seemingly) all have their own identity.

I suppose this is true. I loved TDK, and while I hold it as the genre's best film, apart of me prefers BB. Bruce's origin and training scenes still send shivers down my spine.

 

[Deserana]

BB, TDK, and TDKR (seemingly) all have their own identity.

But if cut together will flow together as one single film. Or at least that is what Nolan intended.

If I watched Batman glide of the rood then cut to the outside of the large office building of the bank heist then watched TDK I wouldn't know it was two seperate films.

Still hoping for an ultimate trilogy where all 3 films are cut together.

 

[Travesty]

Actually only took me a few seconds.

I guess the sign you were holding was the dead giveaway?

But that it cool that you can spot yourself. That must have been a lot of fun.

 

[Steyin]

I guess the sign you were holding was the dead giveaway?

But that it cool that you can spot yourself. That must have been a lot of fun.

Yeah the sign made it easier. Ton of fun indeed, but it was hot as hell that day. I almost had a heat stroke.

And after watching that, I'm done on the bat boards til the 20th.

If there is any attempt of the people trying to meet up for the NYC midnight show at Lincoln Square, PM me please.

Also, in case anyone wanted this and it was overlooked, the 24 minute sample music:

Here you go, 192 KBPS:

http://www.filefactory.com/file/4i4b8rxn3947/n/24Mins.rar

 

[stefan850]

But if cut together will flow together as one single film. Or at least that is what Nolan intended.

If I watched Batman glide of the rood then cut to the outside of the large office building of the bank heist then watched TDK I wouldn't know it was two seperate films.

Still hoping for an ultimate trilogy where all 3 films are cut together.

I dont think thats what Nolan intended. I dont know where you got that from.

And you wouldn't notice that gotham has that cheap futuristic vibe in Batman Begins and a clean look in TDK?


I most definitely would.

 

[Deserana]

the reaction/review thread has been closed finally.

 

[Dragon_316ca]

When can we expect B-Roll footage to pop up online?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And you wouldn't notice that gotham has that cheap futuristic vibe in Batman Begins and a clean look in TDK?

Yup. The soundstagey feel of BB is a huge contrast to the scope of TDK's locations.

 

[Deserana]

I dont think thats what Nolan intended. I dont know where you got that from.

And you wouldn't notice that gotham has that cheap futuristic vibe in Batman Begins and a clean look in TDK?


I most definitely would.

I definitely remember him saying it somewhere.

And the looks are actually quite similar. Begins is only more gothic because the film spends its time in the more gothic areas in begins or the "underworld" as it were.

In the more city-like parts it looks the same as TDK.

 

[joker1524]

So any other reactions from the l.a screening besides the brazilian and the asian?

 

[KalMart]

But if cut together will flow together as one single film. Or at least that is what Nolan intended.

No, actually,...he intended to make three films as part of the same overall story-arc...to be viewed separately as their own films, not toghether as some 7+ hour single-sitting.

If I watched Batman glide of the rood then cut to the outside of the large office building of the bank heist then watched TDK I wouldn't know it was two seperate films.

Still hoping for an ultimate trilogy where all 3 films are cut together.

There's obviously a creative consistency/continuity between the three, but again, you don't make a feature film to ultimately fit into a longer single viewing. Yes, people metaphorically look at them as 'different acts of a play' as a short-hand description of the differences. But as impressive as his work is, he didn't treat these any differently, format-wise, as anything other than three separate features under one big story arc. If they ever are 'cut together', it won't be because the filmmaker wanted it that way.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

I don't live in America, so I just want to know how long until Falling Skies airs?

 

[Greens]

I don't live in America, so I just want to know how long until Falling Skies airs?

About 4 and a half hours, I think.

 

[Deserana]

No, actually,...he intended to make three films as part of the same overall story-arc...to be viewed separately as their own films, not toghether as some 7+ hour single-sitting.

You've just reminded me of what he said. It was that he wanted them to be altogether as one entire arc but that can also be viewed as their own individual films.

BB is only more gothic is because the suits in WB wanted it that way. TDK is what they always envisioned.

 

[Bads316]

I'm not relating this comment to Heat at all but I recently saw a clip of Nolan praising Tree of Life and Terrance Malik, which I couldn't even finish because I was so bored. So just sayin, just because Nolan likes something doesn't mean I/you should have to :P

That's not at all what I'm saying. In fact quite the opposite. If you like something then that's up to you, that is your preference. But to say whether something is good or bad can be done without your own personal interference. I personally loathed Black Swan but I would never in a million years call it a bad film - it's really well made with great performances but none of it grabbed me in a satisfying way, but I understand how it worked so well for others.

I wasn't name checking Nolan as someone who could magically reverse an opinion, just someone who might be able to shed a little light on the fact that it is far, far, far from 'bad'. On an emotional level it might not speak to you, but as a fan of film I feel it should be at least respected, not passed off as rubbish like something Ratner or Bol tossed off (same goes for Tree of Life)

And to put it in perspective and somewhat back on topic, on another forum I frequent someone just mentioned that they watched Begins last night and thought it was 'crap' and fell asleep.

To some folk, films are watched to pass the time, for some it's the reason to get up in the morning.

 

[rashad]

When can we expect B-Roll footage to pop up online?

Closer to the release of the film.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

About 4 and a half hours, I think.

Thanks.

 

[KalMart]

You've just reminded me of what he said. It was that he wanted them to be altogether as one entire arc but that can also be viewed as their own individual films.

BB is only more gothic is because the suits in WB wanted it that way. TDK is what they always envisioned.

Most trilogies are...be they good or bad ones.