The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 117

[Tacit Ronin]

I want that score to leak now please.

So you don't have to pay for it? Bad. Sharkboy. Bad.

 

[Bat-Gasm]

Ah yes, how could I forget about Kenny Baker!

Thanks for responses. Phone is really crappy to do all this stuff one, very difficult to get into other threads. Thanks again.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

So you don't have to pay for it? Bad. Sharkboy. Bad.

So he can listen to it now and then buy it on release.

 

[Solidus]

I've already pre-ordered it on amazon and Itunes, I just want to hear it. I kinda was hoping like the Prometheus OST they would release it earlier on iTunes compared to it's physical release.

 

[Cannikin]

So he can listen to it now and then buy it on release.

I tried that excuse with my cable company when I got flagged. They didn't go for it and threatened to suspend my service. Apparently it's illegal. Who knew?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

So he can listen to it now and then buy it on release.

****ing the soundtrack out before buying it might make someone not spend money on it. Especially for those on a tightass budget.

Maybe Sharkboy is a rich English snob and that won't be a problem. t:

 

[TheFuture]

Seen from the no discussion review thread that the film has its' first negative review...which, conveniently, has too many beefs to be taken seriously.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

All I've done is to caution people not to prematurely compare a new film (no matter how great) to a classic. I used it's predecessor, TDK, as an example of premature comparisons. I don't understand what is so hard to get. Especially since I've repeated this many times.

No offense Excelsior, but I disagree with your notions regarding TDK and TDKR. We, as fans, didn't start the comparisons. The critics did that for us. Most (if not all) critics till this day stand by the opinion that TDK is The Godfather of comic book movies. Now, you may find it insulting and hyperbolic as a Godfather fan but it's an opinion. You, yourself, have been guilty of hyperbolic statements numerous times (most recently with The Avengers). Granted, you've since taken those comments back, but it doesn't take away the fact that you indeed made those assertions.

You've also continuously claimed TDKR won't live up to the hype but critics from the New York advanced screening are already proclaiming it to be Nolan's best work.

See how opinions work?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Seen from the no discussion review thread that the film has its' first negative review...which, conveniently, has too many beefs to be taken seriously.

A B+ certainly isn't negative.

 

[Travesty]

Ugh, "the Godfather of CBM".....

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You've also continuously claimed TDKR won't live up to the hype

Completely false. I've never said anything like that. I actually expect it to be the best by quite a large margin.

You, yourself, have been guilty of hyperbolic statements numerous times (most recently with The Avengers)

I've never compared it Godfather, or T2, Raiders or something though. I said it was among the best the genre has seen; which is not far from the truth.

 

[TheFuture]

A B+ certainly isn't negative.

All the quoted comments suggest the chap is on his period. Those comments certainly do not suggest the B+ he gave it.

 

[Sharkboy]

****ing the soundtrack out before buying it might make someone not spend money on it. Especially for those on a tightass budget.

Maybe Sharkboy is a rich English snob and that won't be a problem. t:

Yeah I'll buy it...and I never buy music, but I just love that cover. I just really want to listen to the whole thing now.

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

All I've done is to caution people not to prematurely compare a new film (no matter how great) to a classic. I used it's predecessor, TDK, as an example of premature comparisons. I don't understand what is so hard to get. Especially since I've repeated this many times.

Well what people have been trying to say is that you are so quick to tell us "well hey guys you do Know TDKR will get negative reviews so you should just except it". But when it came to a critics POSITIVE comment on TDKR and his review compared it to another 'Non-Perfect' Classic you got all bent out of shape calling the person premature and disagreeing that there is no way it will be like that. And also addressing why you think people are premature who treat new released films in that manner. *Sigh* well few things buddy 1) You do know the film will get many positive reviews right? You should just accept that and everything will go smoothly 2) When people compare films to other 'non-perfect' classics they are simply stating which other film thy relate it to in a series. And TGF2 is considered a classic and TDKR is already being considered a classic epic finale to a brilliant trilogy. Everyone has the right to their own POSITIVE opinions. Obviously its safe to say you are going to nitpick and speak negatively about the film because you dont want to be part of the premature people praising the film (even though it seems its well earned acclaim). Thats okay if you do because Im sure we will be hear to listen to your BS; so we anticipate it.


So case in point do not tell others about accepting a negative review when you yourself cant accept a POSITIVE review with someones own opinion. Its makes you very twofaced to put it bluntly

 

[kvz5]

I finally read the Chinese review. It was uh, all over the place? Was that written by the same person? One minute, only Anne and JGL were the highlights and that Bane was not good. The next minute, Bale gave the best performance and all the characters were good.

 

[stefan850]

To join the OT discussion:

The Godfather Pt II is one of my top 5 favourite movies (the list keeps changing all the time but Heat and Godfather II are constantly in it, right now Apocalypse Now, Taxi Driver and Dog's Day Afternoon are keeping them company). But of course it is not a flawless movie, far from it actually. But it is a classic, and as I said, it is in my top 5. My main problem with it is the Robert De Niro part, I dont need it...I look at The Godfather I & II as the story of the fall of Michael Corleones soul, that's how I look at those two movies (III doesn't exist in my mind) and the De Niro part just gets in the way. In the perfect world, that should have been Godfather Pt III, De Niro prequel.

And, considering the Batman Trilogy, if TDKR is as good as we hope/expect it to be, as a trilogy it might be great but I have a feeling that Batman Begins will pull the overall trilogy score down a little bit.


I love Batman Begins, seen it 20 times, absolutely love it. But it is a really nicely made Comic book movie feauturing my favorite comic book character, which is the reason why I love it, besides that, this is all imo obviously, it's nothing more.

Just a straightforward nicely done comic book movie, like Avengers or Spiderman etc...


The Dark Knight is something more, it is a crime epic. It has it's flaws, lots of it imo. Dialogue is forced and clumsy on a couple of occasions, ironically enough, the criminals are to cartoony, especially the eastern european guy etc etc etc but it is something more and when it's all said and done it's a great f****ng crime epic. And the "what it takes, how far is to far.....chaos vs order...when the chips are down what happens" etc etc is imo, done very nicely, it wasn't forced, although much of it was said but Joker/Fox characters I still didn't feel like the allusions were being forced on me so kudos to Nolan for that.

Now just stop with the clumsy/forced dialogue, make it even more straightforward movie with a guy who dresses like a bat in it and it might be fantastic!

 

[Travesty]

I finally read the Chinese review. It was uh, all over the place? Was that written by the same person? One minute, only Anne and JGL were the highlights and that Bane was not good. The next minute, Bale gave the best performance and all the characters were good.

Heh, you always point those things out in reviews.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Completely false. I've never said anything like that. I actually expect it to be the best by quite a large margin.

Yes, you have. In fact not even three pages back, you stated that TDKR would not surpass TDK. You 'doubted it'.

I've never compared it Godfather, or T2, Raiders or something though. I said it was among the best the genre has seen; which is not far from the truth.

You called it flawless and perfect though -- which the film clearly isn't. You didn't make comparisons to T2 or Godfather, but calling The Avengers perfection was a bold statement.

 

[Cannikin]

I finally read the Chinese review. It was uh, all over the place? Was that written by the same person? One minute, only Anne and JGL were the highlights and that Bane was not good. The next minute, Bale gave the best performance and all the characters were good.

She finished the review by saying "I hate being bipolar. It's awesome."

 

[KalMart]

To join the OT discussion:

The Godfather Pt II is one of my top 5 favourite movies (the list keeps changing all the time but Heat and Godfather II are constantly in it, .....

Heat was pretty bad.

 

[kvz5]

I hope you guys are watching the MTV video interviews. Here's one with Nolan:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/16...e.jhtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

Yes, you have. In fact not even three pages back, you stated that TDKR would not surpass TDK. You 'doubted it'.



You called it flawless and perfect though -- which the film clearly isn't. You didn't make comparisons to T2 or Godfather, but calling The Avengers perfection was a bold statement.

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[Sharkboy]

Last time i checked a B+ wasn't even considered "mixed" let alone "negative", now personally, I'm hoping this film is the greatest film in the history of anything and everything as much as the next guy, but when we start getting disappointed that a film is getting light applause from a group of foreign critics rather than standing ovations and teary eyes all over, then I start to empathise with the people who think the batboards are filled with nothing but Bane_Fanboys and Fullmetals.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yes, you have. In fact not even three pages back, you stated that TDKR would not surpass TDK. You 'doubted it'.

I said I doubted it will be as great as Godfather 2. Not that it won't be great. You could quote the line if you wish. Read it again too.

You called it flawless and perfect though -- which the film clearly isn't. You didn't make comparisons to T2 or Godfather, but calling The Avengers perfection was a bold statement.

It's too safe to be on the level of those. But what it wants to accomplish, it does it almost perfectly.

 

[Nevincer]

It's [blackout]region block[/blackout]tastic. I ask again, where is ChrisB?