The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

[frakkingoff]

Unless Bane took other DNA samples such as hair and teeth beforehand....

The body seemed to have a closely shaved head, like a buzz cut.

 

[ThePhantasm]

No, I mean, you wouldn't need to do a transfusion to confuse blood type testing, just someone with the same blood type. Unless I'm mistaken, you can't identify specifically who a person is by blood type.

Blood type testing and DNA testing aren't the same thing. You just responded to my argument about DNA with an argument about blood type testing. You would be right if it weren't a straw man of what I said.

 

[Bim]

Interesting, Kane. I guess it wont be long until we found out if it's legit. Hope it's true about

Spoiler

Selena dancing with Bruce

though, i really want at least a tease at seeing them together t:

 

[The_Raganork]

But they'll find blood?

Plus, unless I'm mistaken, didn't the CIA guy say he'd call in that Bane was after Pavel when Pavel mentioned him? There's plenty more DNA than blood that can be used to identify someone.

He called in he has 1 of Bane's men.

For all intents and purposes when they find the wreck nothing out of the ordinary happened. Pavel, Bane's man and everyone else died in the crash

 

[TheDragonator]

You can't identify specific victims based on , when you have the blood from a dozen people splattered all around.

I never said you could, I said the transfusion was pointless because it wouldn't really do anything. Getting a blood infusion wouldn't change your blood type, I don't think.

 

[gunstar9uk]

Everyone's assuming the CIA are operating in a country they have any jurisdiction in.
They could be there illegally and in that case there's no way they could investigate the crash site themselves.

 

[Boom]

But they'll find blood?

Which is the one thing that pokes a hole in my "bodies burning up" theory.

 

[The_Raganork]

I never said you could, I said the transfusion was pointless because it wouldn't really do anything. Getting a blood infusion wouldn't change your blood type, I don't think.

They're not changing his blood type only trying to get the tested body to come out with some percentage of being Pavel's DNA.

 

[TheDragonator]

He called in he has 1 of Bane's men.

For all intents and purposes when they find the wreck nothing out of the ordinary happened. Pavel, Bane's man and everyone else died in the

Well, it's not a stretch they put two and two together.

-A dude calls in one of Bane's men is captured
-An important scientist Bane is after is on board
-The plane crashes and apparently everyone dies

Suspecting Bane might be responsible is not a big stretch.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I never said you could, I said the transfusion was pointless because it wouldn't really do anything. Getting a blood infusion wouldn't change your blood type, I don't think.

No it wouldn't. Good thing this isn't about blood type but DNA.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The body seemed to have a closely shaved head, like a buzz cut.

I saw that as well.

 

[The_Raganork]

Well, it's not a stretch they put two and two together.

-A dude calls in one of Bane's men is captured
-An important scientist Bane is after is on board
-The plane crashes and apparently everyone dies

Suspecting Bane might be responsible is not a big stretch.

Its not a big stretch but there's no evidence that Pavel got away and no evidence Bane had anything to do with it.


(aside from the bullets)

 

[TheDragonator]

They're not changing his only trying to get the tested body to come out with some percentage of being Pavel's .

Injecting someone's blood into someone else doesn't give them their DNA, it just gives them blood. Plus, if they can scavenge Pavel's blood to do a test, then there's bound to be enough of the body left to test for samples and such.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Dragonator is trying to look for plot holes in the prologue. Earlier he claimed you can't open a plane door midflight without the cabin depressurizing, which I proved is flat out wrong. Now he is going on about blood types and how the CIA will somehow magically know that Bane was involved. Almost makes me think he is predisposed to a particular opinion about the prologue.

 

[bgates87]

The blood transfusion thing might never be fully explained. I think the theory that it's meant to mislead whoever processes the crash scene is most likely answer. This kind of reminds me of the TDK prologue when people argued about why the bank owner let the smoke bomb go off in his mouth in stead of getting rid of it before the bus drove off.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

This isn't meant for permeant purposes. It's to buy time for Bane.

 

[babbage]

Just wanna say about Boom's sig-

One day, I saw a child playing with a tangerine the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been the tangerine.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[ThePhantasm]

Injecting someone's blood into someone else doesn't give them their DNA, it just gives them blood. Plus, if they can scavenge Pavel's blood to do a test, then there's bound to be enough of the body left to test for samples and such.

 

[Boom]

I think what Drag is saying is that even though the body will now have Pavel's DNA because of the blood, the body will still have its own DNA as well. So if the body remains mostly intact, the forensic scientists would probably opt for hair or skin samples before taking blood. In which case, they would get the DNA of the dead man - not Pavel.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yes, but DNA testing isn't highly accurate anyways. CSI on TV isn't real life. They only need enough for the results to be confusing or inconclusive within a margin of error. The crash and wreckage will do the rest.

 

[TheDragonator]

Dragonator is trying to look for plot holes in the prologue. Earlier he claimed you can't open a door midflight without the cabin depressurizing, which I proved is flat out wrong. Now he is going on about blood types and how the CIA will somehow magically know that Bane was involved. Almost makes me think he is predisposed to a particular opinion about the prologue.

Magically? Someone a person is looking for, with a person working for the person who is looking for the other person, on a plane together that crashes.

Clearly just a coincidence.

Explain to me how the hell someone can find blood samples, but not tissue samples.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

There's no denying that but our theories reside in the probability that all of the bodies left on board would, more than likely, be a frickin' mess.

 

[babbage]

Dragonator is trying to look for plot holes in the prologue. Earlier he claimed you can't open a plane door midflight without the cabin depressurizing, which I proved is flat out wrong. Now he is going on about blood types and how the CIA will somehow magically know that Bane was involved. Almost makes me think he is predisposed to a particular opinion about the prologue.

Given his history here, he is biased against the Nolan Batman, really (and possibly Batman in general). And a lot of Batboards people find him annoying. I think it's good to have someone like him doing what he does here, though, just to have something to discuss and argue about, and even be enlightened by when he's correct, as opposed to all of us ******* over Nolan's awesomeness 24/7 (not that I don't like that, either). Yeah, it's kinda annoying going online sometimes with the intent of talking to like-minded people about a piece of art or entertainment you like and then having Debbie ****ing Downer join in to crap on it, but whatever... Like I said, it keeps things interesting.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm not saying they won't find tissue samples. That doesn't mean the tissue will be attached to bodies. Blood and tissue will be all over the place. There is no telling which body it came from etc. They just need enough to see that Pavel was probably there... they won't test every single piece of tissue.

 

[batbax]

I see you guys are letting dragontroller troll you once again.