The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - Part 127 (NO SPOILERS)

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Jesus... went to the SPOILERS thread for the first time, just to give a snippet, and man, pretty sure the entire movie it's here... almost spoiled the ENDING now... my punishment must be more severe. :doh:

I was drunk the other night and clicked on the spoiler thread without thinking about it and had something huge spoiled for me. My own fault, obviously.

Oh well, I just have to wait 17 more hours to avoid spoilers, then it's off to the cinema to see this bad boy.
 
A lot of what I've read refers to Ledger's shadow, and how that caliber is missing from this film, but TBH, I was never scared of Ledger's Joker. I just thought he was a cool and interesting character. Bane is scary because he can challenge Batman in all the intellectual and emotional arenas or just break his back. A lot of women told me they were afraid of Ledger, but I never got the sense Batman would be, or me for that matter in real life. I worry about people who I know can kill me with their bare hands... Michael Myers is my favorite villain and I think Hardy will be more that brute strength type villain, whereas Ledger was a bit more like a Freddy Krueger. People it would seem may be comparing apples and oranges which is something Nolan was trying to avoid by using a different villain archetype.

Also some are calling it bloated and too long. Saying some characters seem forced and unbelievable.
 
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This isn't the Harry Potter thread, folks...
 
You'd find a hard time convincing many people that the 4th, 5th and 6th film were better than the third, it's certainly an achievement, but none of them (except the 3rd and the final one) were critical darlings.

Very true!

The 4th one feels very odd and really not like a HP film. I love the 5th though but 6th is very boring IMO. The filmmakers seemed to mistake dark themes for literal darkness its almost impossible to make out some scenes in standard definition.

The third seems the most fantasy/magical of the series though to me.

HP7p2 was really good but good lord the death of Voldemort was such a let down. It should have been a "YESSSSSSSSSSSSS" moment but instead he just.... fades away.

With TDKR it does seem like each film is as good as the other not better or worse.
 
Jesus... went to the SPOILERS thread for the first time, just to give a snippet, and man, pretty sure the entire movie it's here... almost spoiled the ENDING now... my punishment must be more severe. :doh:
I haven't gone in, but I'm interested in going in there after I've seen the movie, to see how much was actually spoiled.
 
The third is the worse adaptation, even if it's cinematically considered the best. Yates' two part of Hallows is more masterful than the third.

What does "the worst adaptation" mean? That they changed some stuff for the film? We're comparing the films right, not the books, or am I being confused?

Every film in this franchise has MAJOR changes, MAJOR differences from the books. Are we talking about which film is more faithful to the books, or which film is better?

While I agree that Yates' two part finale was fantastic, I don't think 3<4<5<6.

My last HP off-topic comment, I apologize.
 
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It's sad to see this point glossed over so often. Obviously we haven't seen the film yet, but given the connotations of the marketing material we've been presented with, and what we (think) we know, this seems fairly clear to me.

The tragic irony of the whole situation is that by the end of TDK, just as Bruce has finally realized how much he needs Batman, he has also come to find how much Gotham doesn't need Batman; or rather, how bad Batman actually is for Gotham. Now, this isn't necessarily true, but it stems from Bruce's warped, often extreme thinking.

"Did I bring this upon her? I was meant to inspire good. Not madness, not death."

With Rachel's death and Harvey's fall, thanks to the influence of a demon spawn of the Batman persona (the Joker), Bruce sees just how destructive and poisonous Batman can be. As with Batman Begins, where he is on the extremely optimistic end of the spectrum, here he succumbs to another extreme: Batman, for all the good that the guise has brought, has been much more of a negative than a positive.

Thus, at a time when Bruce personally rediscovers his need for the mask, he also realizes what that mask has been responsible for. So as much as it may pain him, and as much as petty crime and such might still exist in Gotham, Batman's presence is a greater threat (in Bruce's mind), and he must therefore stay away. And, as noted by Nolan and company, superficially, Bruce made the right choice for Gotham, but with Bane's revolution, we'll ultimately learn what a mistake it really was.

Again, we find the beautiful irony of it all: TDK is initially all about Bruce wanting to hang up the cape and cowl, and yet when he finally finds himself requiring that double life, Gotham reaches a point where Batman must be excised in order for harmony to prevail. Giving up Batman to maintain the city's social order is the ultimate act of altruism on Bruce's part, and I find that pretty compelling.

That's why the eight years thing, as it stands now, doesn't really bother me. Thematically, and from a character-based perspective, it adds a new layer of depth to Bruce. Moreover, it further shows just how devoted he is to Gotham, giving up the very thing he craves for the sake the city. The fact that we get hermit Bruce for EIGHT YEARS (!) as a result of giving up Batman should be more than enough to illustrate to anyone just how much Bruce actually needed Batman.

Clearly, the man isn't very happy at the beginning of TDKR... :funny:

Now, I can totally understand why fans of the "everlasting Batman" would dislike the eight years thing, but I think it's a shame that I don't see others bringing up what you said more often. To me, it just makes everything that much more interesting, and in particular, Bruce's relationship with Batman, and how important it actually is.

So much win within this post. :up:
 
Oh jesus, another "I'm a girl, so I know what I'm talking about" post....

Not really, she was just pointing out one of the more annoying and quite frankly disgusting trends around here. :oldrazz:
 
The third is the worse adaptation, even if it's cinematically considered the best. Yates' two part of Hallows is more masterful than the third.

Calling it the "worse" anything is misleadingly negative, it certainly doesn't follow the books as accurately as some of the others, some would say that's why it's considered by many to be the best made of the series. (certainly better than 1-6). Adaptations in my opinion should never follow books to the t, they can try...they will mostly fail (just look at the fifth film, the best book bred the worse film)

Back to Batman, I'm certainly starting to despise myself for putting such value in a stupid aggregate score, when i was younger and more ignorant, a film was either good or bad, there were no silly comparisons or superficial pride swelling obsessions over the differences between a 89% and a 91%.
 
I haven't gone in, but I'm interested in going in there after I've seen the movie, to see how much was actually spoiled.

Pretty sure most of the spoilers are legit...and there's people ASKING for someone to tell ''just the ending''. :whatever::whatever:
 
So much win within this post. :up:

I agree.

I'm a huge Batman fan, and prefer him all other, but Nolan's approach, of having Bruce be flawed and imperfect, works well in cinematic terms. If he was as flawless as he is in the comics, then there would be no danger, no drama. That's something action films had been lacking for a while, and while this genre has had terrific examples of internal conflict (S-M2 comes to mind), I honestly never felt that Capt. America, Thor, or Iron Man (in IM2) were ever in any real danger of failing, which is probably why I prefer Avengers over the rest of them.

Anywho, having Bruce question himself and his motives makes him relatable, and interesting. It's logical that we'd see him this way, anyway, considering that we were seeing him in his earlier years in BB & TDK.
 
I agree.

I'm a huge Batman fan, and prefer him all other, but Nolan's approach, of having Bruce be flawed and imperfect, works well in cinematic terms. If he was as flawless as he is in the comics, then there would be no danger, no drama. That's something action films had been lacking for a while, and while this genre has had terrific examples of internal conflict (S-M2 comes to mind), I honestly never felt that Capt. America, Thor, or Iron Man (in IM2) were ever in any real danger of failing, which is probably why I prefer Avengers over the rest of them.

Anywho, having Bruce question himself and his motives makes him relatable, and interesting. It's logical that we'd see him this way, anyway, considering that we were seeing him in his earlier years in BB & TDK.

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I think the 6 rotten are all DKR is going to get, I see zero more Rottens.
 
I agree.

I'm a huge Batman fan, and prefer him all other, but Nolan's approach, of having Bruce be flawed and imperfect, works well in cinematic terms. If he was as flawless as he is in the comics, then there would be no danger, no drama. That's something action films had been lacking for a while, and while this genre has had terrific examples of internal conflict (S-M2 comes to mind), I honestly never felt that Capt. America, Thor, or Iron Man (in IM2) were ever in any real danger of failing, which is probably why I prefer Avengers over the rest of them.

Anywho, having Bruce question himself and his motives makes him relatable, and interesting. It's logical that we'd see him this way, anyway, considering that we were seeing him in his earlier years in BB & TDK.

I never thought the Avengers were in real danger of failing either. I mean come on, did you actually think Stark was going to die when carrying that missile? Incredibly predictable.
 
Pretty sure most of the spoilers are legit...and there's people ASKING for someone to tell ''just the ending''. :whatever::whatever:

Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I definitely wouldn't do that because it would ruin the enjoyment of the film for me, but for others - it actually enhances or doesn't affecttheir enjoyment and takes some weight off their shoulders, so they can concentrate on the film rather than worrying about what kind of ending it would be - since this would be a distraction.
 
I never thought the Avengers were in real danger of failing either. I mean come on, did you actually think Stark was going to die when carrying that missile? Incredibly predictable.

No, but the scenario they were placed in seemed dire. I mean, obviously they're going to survive. But you're so into what happens in the 3rd, so invested in these characters, especially considering their flaws and the incoming threat, that there was actual tension, especially before Hulk arrived.
 
Any reactions from the chicago screening? Shouldnt it be done by now?

I'm wondering if Ebert was even at the screening, because he tweeted something earlier during what would have been the first half of the movie, assuming they started right at 1.
 
Other than the NY critic has anyone else flipped? As in like TDK but didn't like TDKR or hated TDK and liked TDKR.
 
Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I definitely wouldn't do that because it would ruin the enjoyment of the film for me, but for others - it actually enhances or doesn't affecttheir enjoyment and takes some weight off their shoulders, so they can concentrate on the film rather than worrying about what kind of ending it would be - since this would be a distraction.

Yeah, I see your point. And I personally don't mind knowing some details, even if they are some minor spoilers. But it's the ending - the most secret part of it. And it's only 3 days before seeing the movie (for me it's 10 :cmad:) but whatever.
 
I never thought the Avengers were in real danger of failing either. I mean come on, did you actually think Stark was going to die when carrying that missile? Incredibly predictable.

Right. And whoever dies it will be heavier than Coulson&#8217;s, and I doubt they'll inject humor during said deaths. &#8220;So that&#8217;s what it does.&#8221; Though funny, it immediately placates Phil&#8217;s death. Violent death is ugly and disturbing, not funny.
 
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Right. Whoever dies it will be heavier than Coulson’s, and I doubt they'll inject humor during said deaths. “So that’s what it does.” Though funny, it immediately sensors Phil’s death. Violent death is ugly and disturbing, not funny.

Thats what bothers me about whedons writing at timed
 
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