The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 139

[Alex Logan]

I really think the concept of Blake taking up the 'mantle' works specifically as an ending to this series, but not as something that I or the series itself would want to see developed further. Thankfully it won't. But functionally, it does give them the narrative opportunity to get Bruce to 'retire', but still leave a lasting legacy.

This.

 

[marvelman2006]

I like gordon levitt's enthusiasim when he talks about this movie. We dont see enough actors that joyful about being in movies or even playing iconic characters, there are mostly so serious in interviews.

You can tell though he might not be against playing robin in future films. Its interesting that a trilogy ends and ussually by the 3rd one you kinda feel like with transformers for example that the stories are running out of steam but this one just leaves you craving more.

 

[kvz5]

Here's the JGL interview:



Sounds like he shares most of the thoughts here that the set up for his character in the end doesn't necessarily mean a sequel/spin off but rather just a nice fix to Bruce's ending.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Anybody seen this yet? It's a fan film set in the nolan universe with the riddler and scarface apparently its getting good reviews.

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Wow, that was very nicely done! Thanks for sharing!

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Here's the JGL interview:



Sounds like he shares most of the thoughts here that the set up for his character in the end doesn't necessarily mean a sequel/spin off but rather just a nice fix to Bruce's ending.

Agreed. I think it's funny that Kimmel thinks he was to become Robin (The Boy Wonder) and not The Batman. I mean, isn't the general consensus that Blake takes up the mantle of The Bat and actually becomes Gotham's new Batman?

 

[Deserana]

Agreed. I think it's funny that Kimmel thinks he was to become Robin (The Boy Wonder) and not The Batman. I mean, isn't the general consensus that Blake takes up the mantle of The Bat and actually becomes Gotham's new Batman?

It's completely 50/50 the GA probably just think "Cool so he's the new Batman" whereas in the fandom there are ideas going all over the place. I personally don't think he will be Batman.

 

[kvz5]

The way Nolan went about it is a bit weird. They threw in the 'Robin' name but more signs point to him taking the mantle as Batman. IMO the Robin thing was just a wink to the fans but he was set up to continue as Batman (hence the fixed Bat signal). Either way, it doesn't matter. That's what imagination and fan fiction are for.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It's completely 50/50 the GA probably just think "Cool so he's the new Batman" whereas in the fandom there are ideas going all over the place. I personally don't think he will be Batman.

Since I was against him being Batman all along, I choose to use the "Robin" name as an escape from what Nolan implies at the very end. The implication with the bats flying around him and whatnot is that he becomes Batman, but Nolan gave us a way to sidestep that if we want by assuming he becomes Robin. I'll take that over Batman any day of the week.

 

[craigdbfan]

Robin has always been Batman's fail-safe in a way. Sure Robin is his own character but as they have shown in the comics, when Batman is assumed dead or disappears one of them ends up donning the mantel.

Whether he calls himself Robin/Red Robin/Nightwing or Batman is sort of irrelevant. The main point is that Wayne has left Gotham in the hands of someone who knows the city backwards and has a burning desire to help Gotham for all the right reasons.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Robin has always been Batman's fail-safe in a way. Sure Robin is his own character but as they have shown in the comics, when Batman is assumed dead or disappears one of them ends up donning the mantel.

Whether he calls himself Robin/Red Robin/Nightwing or Batman is sort of irrelevant. The main point is that Wayne has left Gotham in the hands of someone who knows the city backwards and has a burning desire to help Gotham for all the right reasons.

But has none of the physical ability of Batman.

 

[Kane52630]

Robin has always been Batman's fail-safe in a way. Sure Robin is his own character but as they have shown in the comics, when Batman is assumed dead or disappears one of them ends up donning the mantel.

Whether he calls himself Robin/Red Robin/Nightwing or Batman is sort of irrelevant. The main point is that Wayne has left Gotham in the hands of someone who knows the city backwards and has a burning desire to help Gotham for all the right reasons.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[kvz5]

I don't agree with all of it but it's still a good read:

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...ttempts-to-dismantle-chris-nolans-magic-trick

A second look at 'The Dark Knight Rises' attempts to dismantle Chris Nolan's magic trick
IT MAY NOT BE EVERYONE'S BATMAN, BUT WAS IT EVER MEANT TO BE?
By Drew McWeeny

 

[marvelman2006]

I wouldnt be against the idea in a future film where blake would become batman for a short period just to try out the suit and the idea of being a vigilante. Then decides that he wants to be his own symbol and becomes robin while batman is off being retired.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

But has none of the physical ability of Batman.

True, but I'm always reminded of Ra's quote from Begins. It applies to both fictional and real heroes.

"The training is nothing! The will is everything!... The will to act."

 

[craigdbfan]

Obviously he isn't going to go out and fight crime immediately. I'm going to assume he'll take several years to train and bulk himself up. That's what I think at least.

 

[Micromind]

Since I was against him being Batman all along, I choose to use the "Robin" name as an escape from what Nolan implies at the very end. The implication with the bats flying around him and whatnot is that he becomes Batman, but Nolan gave us a way to sidestep that if we want by assuming he becomes Robin. I'll take that over Batman any day of the week.

I think that Nolan leaves that decision to the character of Blake and in a way how the audience perceives Blake, if some people think that Blake is worthy enough (or considers himself worthy enough to step into Batman's shoes, then for them Blake takes up the mantle of Batman.)

If some audience think that Blake is not ready yet, that he still has to learn and train then Blake assumes a different secret identity (like Robin).

It is an open ending.

 

[KalMart]

I wouldnt be against the idea in a future film where blake would become batman for a short period just to try out the suit and the idea of being a vigilante. Then decides that he wants to be his own symbol and becomes robin while batman is off being retired.

A fan fiction nor companion comic, maybe. An actual feature film with Levitt, probably (and hopefully) not. It's just the 'nice' way to end this storyline, and then reboot for upcoming Batmans.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I think that Nolan leaves that decision to the character of Blake and in a way how the audience perceives Blake, if some people think that Blake is worthy enough (or considers himself worthy enough to step into Batman's shoes, then for them Blake takes up the mantle of Batman.)

If some audience think that Blake is not ready yet, that he still has to learn and train then Blake assumes a different secret identity (like Robin).

It is an open ending.

Yes, and thank goodness for that.

I don't agree with all of it but it's still a good read:

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/a-second-look-at-the-dark-knight-rises-attempts-to-dismantle-chris-nolans-magic-trick

A second look at 'The Dark Knight Rises' attempts to dismantle Chris Nolan's magic trick
IT MAY NOT BE EVERYONE'S BATMAN, BUT WAS IT EVER MEANT TO BE?
By Drew McWeeny

Excellent stuff from McWeeny as usual.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

The way Nolan went about it is a bit weird. They threw in the 'Robin' name but more signs point to him taking the mantle as Batman. IMO the Robin thing was just a wink to the fans but he was set up to continue as Batman (hence the fixed Bat signal). Either way, it doesn't matter. That's what imagination and fan fiction are for.

Robin has always been Batman's fail-safe in a way. Sure Robin is his own character but as they have shown in the comics, when Batman is assumed dead or disappears one of them ends up donning the mantel.

Whether he calls himself Robin/Red Robin/Nightwing or Batman is sort of irrelevant. The main point is that Wayne has left Gotham in the hands of someone who knows the city backwards and has a burning desire to help Gotham for all the right reasons.

Agreed. I think the name drop of "Robin" was simply a nod to the fans.

 

[Victarion]

But has none of the physical ability of Batman.

However, Batman didn't have the trust of the GPD and city at large. I saw his physical prowess as a way to compensate for a lack of allies.

 

[redfirebird2008]

However, Batman didn't have the trust of the GPD and city at large. I saw his physical prowess as a way to compensate for a lack of allies.

But there is no point in dressing up in a Batsuit if you can't kick butt. Otherwise you're just a wannabe like those hockey pad guys in TDK.

 

[Reek]

True, but I'm always reminded of Ra's quote from Begins. It applies to both fictional and real heroes.

"The training is nothing! The will is everything!... The will to act."

Say the quote all ya want... without Bruce's training, Batman would have been caught/killed on day one.

Obviously he isn't going to go out and fight crime immediately. I'm going to assume he'll take several years to train and bulk himself up. That's what I think at least.

That is just another .... i don't want to say plot hole... anyways... Who would train him? Its not like he can go to his local karate teacher and learn the things Bruce did.

haha i get so bothered every time I see 'the legend ends' because it doesnt

 

[kvz5]

haha i get so bothered every time I see 'the legend ends' because it doesnt

That was just Nolan and/or WB trolling us.

 

[Reek]

That was just Nolan and/or WB trolling us.

Could it be possible? Thread Manager = Nolan. Nolan = Super Troll. Super Troll = Thread manager?

Full Circle.

 

[TinkerTailor]

True, but I'm always reminded of Ra's quote from Begins. It applies to both fictional and real heroes.

"The training is nothing! The will is everything!... The will to act."

He kind of contradicts himself by being the leader of an organisation of highly trained and skilled ninja assassins.