The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - Part 140

[The Shape]

As for the rest of you, I'm not going to waste time digging up evidence to prove something that this this well known just because this is the first you've heard of it. I simply don't have the time to do so. Several directors, actors, and fans have described "encounters" with Christian Bale over the years. The fact that he "only" went off during TERMINATOR SALVATION is meaningless when discussing whether he has some temper issues. The guy obviously has some temper issues if he can't control himself better than that, whether it was a one time occurrence or not.

Dating back to his days as a child actor, Bale has often been indicated to be somewhat difficult to work with/interview/approach, etc. He doesn't seem to do things the same way as most actors, and this can create tension and friction.

That's not a value judgement on my part. I don't really care. I don't care what he's like on set unless I'm working with him personally or it disrupts a production to some real degree. I don't care who is "worse" than him, or who he's "better" than when it comes to this stuff, and I don't think he's a horrible person because of a few awful actions, nor do I care. I care whether the guy is good in his films, and his private life is his private life to me.

Sounds like a ****-ton of hearsay. I've seen nothing on the internet to even indicate something close to what you're saying, aside from what has been reported on his experiences on Terminator and McG. I sure would love to read about some of the things you've mentioned, especially how he was difficult to work with as a child...

 

[BatmanBeyond]

TBH, I always thought that "overshadowed" criticism was a bit exagerrated and in a way a product of the backlash he got in 2009 (because of the rant). The only movie where he obviously got overshadowed was in TDK. I guess a case can be made for Terminator Salvation but that movie was **** to begin with anyway. I guess I can see why some think of that though because he tends to pick the roles which require a quiet performance even though we know he's fully capable of loud performances (American Psycho, The Prestige, The Fighter). I always go back to his speech at the Golden Globes where he gave mad props to Mark Whalberg because he said he knows how it feels to have the quiet performance in the movie or something like that.

Overshadowed in TDK has always seemed a bit much to me. Bale's subtle, nuanced performance in that movie is one of the platforms that enabled Ledger's Joker to shine. Joker's line "You complete me" is very much representative of the nature of the two actors' role in TDK as well. But I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

 

[floreairfoot]

I thought Bale and his mom/sis weren't on good terms, and they randomly started coming to him asking for money. I'd yell at my family for that (if its true).

If someone comes to my office, and makes a mess of my desk, over and over... I'd yell at him as well.

It is his job. Don't **** with what makes people money.

That being said, d***heads can also be nice people.

I love your avatar and can't wait for season 7! t:

It's going to be amazing.

 

[SE7EN]

What is verbal assault if not an oxymoron. What is it to you?

Oxymoron?... Isn't an oxymoron a combination of words that typically contradict each other (i.e. living dead, bitter sweet, etc.)?

Verbal - Using words or sounds
Assault - Act of hostility
Verbal Assault - Act of hostility through words or sounds.

If you don't believe it's a real phenomena, check out the Mike Patton Solo Records....

But you do ask a very good question, "What is it to me?"

To me this is all very silly seeing as it was spawned from a half-assed joke I threw in a couple pages ago. To me Christian Bale (along with the rest of them) is just a person who has a job acting in front of a camera. To me it is entirely beside the point what he does off-camera.

However, when I see someone essentially saying "eh, it's ok if person A verbally assaults person B because person A asked for money", a light comes on upstairs. I ask, "hmmm, if someone asks me for money, is it OK if I verbally assault them?... probably not." So, my response at this point becomes more about why is it OK for Bale to verbally assault someone. Is it because asking for money is a capital offense or is it because he's THE Christian Bale that we all (well some of us anyway) have enjoyed watching as The Dark Knight trilogy has progressed?

That's what it is to me.

 

[Cassandra Cain]

It's not happening. It was just a rumor from a very unreliable website.

Dangit! Perhaps some unseen footage/deleted scenes? C'mon, Nolan! It's your last Batman dvd-- give us something to pine over!

 

[Reek]

I love your avatar and can't wait for season 7! t:

It's going to be amazing.

 

[EliteF50]

I hate your avatar because it spoiled the S6 finale before I saw it.

 

[Victarion]

Overshadowed in TDK has always seemed a bit much to me. Bale's subtle, nuanced performance in that movie is one of the platforms that enabled Ledger's Joker to shine. Joker's line "You complete me" is very much representative of the nature of the two actors' role in TDK as well. But I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

Yes. They were both manipulating the people around them to their (Batman and Joker's) own ends. Joker was just more theatrical about it.

 

[Brother Jack]

Overshadowed in TDK has always seemed a bit much to me. Bale's subtle, nuanced performance in that movie is one of the platforms that enabled Ledger's Joker to shine. Joker's line "You complete me" is very much representative of the nature of the two actors' role in TDK as well. But I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

Just look back at the interrogation scene. Obviously what Ledger does there is extraordinary, but it all works as much because of Bale. He plays off of Joker's erratic movement and dialogue by scarcely speaking or even moving for the first half of the scene. I've always believed Bruce/Batman was at the center of TDK, even if much of the plot revolved around other characters. It was an extroverted exploration of the character rather than an introverted one in Begins.

 

[JackWhite]

Just look back at the interrogation scene. Obviously what Ledger does there is extraordinary, but it all works as much because of Bale. He plays off of Joker's erratic movement and dialogue by scarcely speaking or even moving for the first half of the scene. I've always believed Bruce/Batman was at the center of TDK, even if much of the plot revolved around other characters. It was an extroverted exploration of the character rather than an introverted one in Begins.

Yes, oh yes.

And that beastly look in Bale's eyes when he's pounding on the Joker. You know at that very moment Batman is wishing he didn't have that no kill rule. Just the sheer hatred displayed in his eyes speaks volumes.

 

[kvz5]

Posting this here too:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...0120912?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"Confirmed: No Extended Director's Cut Of 'The Dark Knight Rises' Exists Or Is Planned"

 

[Jick]

Aw. I wanna see that Bane origin they talked about.
I hope they still include that on the Blu-Ray extras.

 

[The Joker]

Never thought there would be. Has any Nolan movie ever got an extended cut?

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Travesty]

"I thought so".

 

[Reek]

No extended cut is a really bad move. Especially since we know there are some pretty important scenes... people will be talking about seeing it for years.

It's like cutting the interrogation scene, and teasing it later... 'Oh its good stuff guys, but you'll never see ittttt'

WB is a bunch of trolling ****s.

 

[BatLobster]

Welp, seems pretty dire at this point. Now the fine folks at Nuke The Fridge can go to bed at night knowing they got the entire internet's hopes up.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I'm the only one who thinks that this isn't surprising? He has never done a DC, I didn't think he'd break his rule anytime soon. But then again I'm the only one who finds TDKR complete.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm the only one who thinks that this isn't surprising? He has never done a DC, I didn't think he'd break his rule anytime soon. But then again I'm the only one who finds TDKR complete.

Nope, it's not surprising at all. Smelled funny to me the moment I heard it. I'd love to see some of the deleted scenes from the archives one day, but never did I honestly expect Nolan to release a cut with extra material edited into the film. Particularly because of how musical the editing of these films tend to be and how tied in the score is with the editing. This supposed "director's cut" would have essentially amounted to a few extra seconds here, a few extra seconds there for the most part. Stuff like that would really throw off the rhythm of the score and it would require more of an overhaul to get it to work. I just couldn't see them tearing the film open like that, at least not this soon.

 

[Reek]

i dont find it surprising, i find it stupid. half an hour cut out, for what purpose? to fit on IMAX? Meh. He could have cut out a lot of other stuff to fit in at least some of the half hour cut footage.

I'd vote more hermit Bruce and more of Bane over 120 minutes of John Blake anyday

 

[Anno_Domini]

Bad News for Batman fans - there will be no extended version of TDKR on the DVD - http://wp.me/p2CCWq-21m

I wouldn't say bad news at all. The final product shown in theatres was perfectly fine, imo.

Never thought there would be. Has any Nolan movie ever got an extended cut?

No. Nolan has always said that his director's cut is the product shown in theatres.

"Throw this **** on the ground." Lol.

No extended cut is a really bad move. Especially since we know there are some pretty important scenes... people will be talking about seeing it for years.

It's like cutting the interrogation scene, and teasing it later... 'Oh its good stuff guys, but you'll never see ittttt'

WB is a bunch of trolling ****s.

People will be talking about seeing scenes that would only last a few seconds? Which, I doubt the Bane origin scene of him training infront of Ra's would have been any longer than that, especially if it was during Talia's speech. If anything, there's more concrete evidence of more development for Miranda than any other scene out there. While that may be needed, there is enough during TDKR to develop Miranda, imo.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

India Wadsworth (Tatelia's momma) said she couldn't (or wouldn't) talk about some of her stuff being cut out of the film in a post-release interview.

 

[malnat11]

I thought this was ironic look at the top right corner and this was from May 2001!

 

[Tequilla]

The whole extended cut always sounded like a big ********, especially those 30 minutes.

Nolan doesnt eve use a 2nd unit ! He always captures what he needs. There's no way he would have left 30 important minutes in the editing floor.

The only thing i would like to see there would be Foley being run over.

 

[Travesty]

The whole extended cut always sounded like a big ********, especially those 30 minutes.

Nolan doesnt eve use a 2nd unit ! He always captures what he needs. There's no way he would have left 30 important minutes in the editing floor.

He definitely could have, especially if IMAX was a restriction. Plus, we do know for a fact that there were scenes shot that didn't make it in the film.

Just because that's the way he's done it in the past, doesn't mean he'll do that for every movie he'll make.