The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - Part 140

[Marvolo]

Agreed. I think it's more the way he phrased it that is annoying some people.

He was acting like his **** doesn't stink. That is the problem. :stereotypical french snob accent: "Avengers? What is this **** you speak of? I spit on it!" That's what I took away from his comments.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It'll be interesting to see how he turns out as a director...

After watching Nolan at work for over a decade, surely he must have picked up some good traits.

 

[bane]

While I can understand where Wally is coming from and I adore how beautifully he has shot all of his work, I can also understand what Whedon and his DP were going for... I don't know if Pfister has seen The Avengers in 3D, but from what I can see the movie was shot with a "3d experience" in mind. So I can't call the cinematography "appalling" and that's coming from one of the biggest "Nolanites" here (who has rooted for Wally Pfister every time he's been nominated for an Oscar), even if I don't show it that often.

 

[BuddhaWasABat]

I love Wally and I loved Rises much more than Avengers but I think his comments were pretty *****e-y and nothing good is going to come out of them. Just more Marvel Vs. DC nonsense.

 

[CConn]

The only people who turn it into Marvel vs. DC is us.

For Pfister, it was purely a matter of him vs. McGurvey or whatever his name is.

 

[CConn]

He was acting like his **** doesn't stink. That is the problem. :stereotypical french snob accent: "Avengers? What is this **** you speak of? I spit on it!" That's what I took away from his comments.

That's what always gets me in trouble too.

 

[BatLobster]

I don't even think it was meant as a personal attack on McGurvey. More of on an overall critique of style over substance cinematography.

 

[The Joker]

He was acting like his **** doesn't stink. That is the problem. :stereotypical french snob accent: "Avengers? What is this **** you speak of? I spit on it!" That's what I took away from his comments.

Yes, that's how a lot of people took it. It's not that he has a different opinion, it's how he came across when he phrased it the way he did.

 

[CConn]

Arrogance is only a failing if misplaced.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Might want to check your equipment. No flicker on my blu-ray.

My equipment is fine. I agree with you on Wally's aggressiveness. I completely disagree with him that the storytelling in Avengers was "appalling." It's a very entertaining story. The only truly bad part IMHO was the first 10 minutes, which consisted of characters I didn't care about delivering a bunch of exposition I wasn't interested in hearing. Once Cap, Stark, Banner, and Thor showed up, the thing turned into a really good movie.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yeah. Wally's remark of the story telling had me rolling my eyes considering TDKR isn't really a shining example of it.

 

[CConn]

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Um, guys, he meant the VISUAL storytelling of the film. How the cinematography is supposed to convey the script to the audience.

He wasn't criticizing Avenger's actually story.

 

[Caboose]

Do the Bat-boards ever do anything else than bash Avengers? It got old months ago, people.

Seeing comments like: "oh clearly the Avengers was more critically lauded than it deserved" is ridiculous. This is exactly why the Bat-boards are the laughing stock of the Hype.

FACT: Both were good movies.
Fact: TDKR wasn't as well received as TDK: it has a lower RT score and a worse multiplier.
FACT: Avengers had a better multiplier, ergo the general populace like it a bit better than TDKR. That's quite simple.

Now as for what Pfister said: Pfister is a talented, award-winning cinematographer and he most definitely has earned the right to criticise others.

Still an ******* thing to do.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Sneaking around having censored words censored is frowned upon.

 

[CConn]

One could even say its an...Nevermind.

Seriously though, my mind is still blown that people actually thought Pfister was commenting on the Avengers' story. For real, you really can't condemn Pfister's comments when you don't even comprehend what he actually said.

 

[Caboose]

Sneaking around having censored words censored is frowned upon.

I live on the edge, man

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Seriously though, my mind is still blown that people actually thought Pfister was commenting on the Avengers' story. For real, you really can't condemn Pfister's comments when you don't even comprehend what he actually said.

Same here. When I saw some comments stating that Wally was commeting on the actual plot, I first thought maybe I had interpreted it wrong but now I see that wasn't the case.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

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Um, guys, he meant the VISUAL storytelling of the film. How the cinematography is supposed to convey the script to the audience.

He wasn't criticizing Avenger's actually story.

Yeah, and TDKR (and all Nolan films barring the Following) aren't shining beacons of that.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Jim Emerson (the guy who broke down TDK's chase scene shot by shot) rips into Pfister.

 

[CConn]

Yeah, and TDKR (and all Nolan films barring the Following) aren't shining beacons of that.

Um, yes, they are.

I'll freely admit, I'm not the biggest fan of Pfister's cinematography philosophy at times, but he's pretty universally acclaimed, and for good reason. He knows what he's doing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Um, yes, they are.

I'll freely admit, I'm not the biggest fan of Pfister's cinematography philosophy at times, but he's pretty universally acclaimed, and for good reason. He knows what he's doing.

It's more Nolan's fault, I don't question Pfister's lighting. After seeing Moneyball, which I thought was better shot than all of Pfister's Nolan films, I believe that even more.

 

[J.Howlett]

Jim Emerson (the guy who broke down TDK's chase scene shot by shot) rips into Pfister.

What the hell ever with this guy....

 

[J.Howlett]

It's more Nolan's fault, I don't question Pfister's lighting. After seeing Moneyball, which I thought was better shot than all of Pfister's Nolan films, I believe that even more.

And ******** on Moneyball. I was stunned to find out that Wally shot that film. It's not even close to the work he's done with Nolan. Not. Even. Close.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

and ******** on moneyball. I was stunned to find out that wally shot that film. It's not even close to the work he's done with nolan. Not. Even. Close.

The quality of the lighting is just as good as any Nolan films, naturally cause it's lit by the same man. But it's also staged far more dynamically than any Nolan film. I credit that more to the respective directors then Pfister. Frankly, the way Nolan shoots dialogue I find extensively boring and lacking imagination. Moneyball is a film that hinges far more on dialogue than cross cutting and explosions and Bennett Miller makes it more dynamic than most of TDKR.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Jim Emerson (the guy who broke down TDK's chase scene shot by shot) rips into Pfister.

He still hasn't cleaned the sand out of sandals? Jeez.