The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - Part 140

[The Knight]

Why didn't Batman take the military's help in the end of TDKR? In the movie he basically takes down Bane's army with his own officers' army which acts as a distraction as in the backdrop Gordon jams the bomb. But when Batman proclaims his return(the burning bat scene),he risks Bane's detonation of the bomb in fear of failure of his plan at Batman's hands who could have stopped Bane(and at that time the device is not jammed).

So,in my opinion,the best and most logical plan for Batman would have been to explain to the Government the situation and to arrange for a cooperated attack. In this attack Batman would jam the device(instead of Gordon) and then signal the military to launch an attack(most probably aerial as the bridges were down). In this way,Bane would be caught off guard and chances of success would be higher if Talia's treachery is not taken into account which wasn't taken into account anyway by Batman when he made his plan.Someone please point out the flaws in my plan,if any exist.

Can anyone answer the above question?Don't give answers like it won't be entertaining.Looking for a logical answer.

 

[Mike_D202]

Can anyone answer the above question?Don't give answers like it won't be entertaining.Looking for a logical answer.

There's nothing really logical about it, it's obvious the city took to trusting Batman at this point. Outside of Gotham he is probably looked at as a nut case. Not to mention the outsiders were sworn NOT to help, the bridge scene with Blake is a prime example.

 

[Anita18]

There's nothing really logical about it, it's obvious the city took to trusting Batman at this point. Outside of Gotham he is probably looked at as a nut case. Not to mention the outsiders were sworn NOT to help, the bridge scene with Blake is a prime example.

Seriously. You'd think the state would think that Bane's army would have noticed the huge exodus out of the city at that point.

 

[The Knight]

There's nothing really logical about it, it's obvious the city took to trusting Batman at this point. Outside of Gotham he is probably looked at as a nut case. Not to mention the outsiders were sworn NOT to help, the bridge scene with Blake is a prime example.

Yes,it is true that he is considered a nut case outside Gotham,but that's Bruce Wayne under that mask.He is the richest and the most powerful.If he reveals his identity(which he obviously can to save his city) and tell them that his company made the device and that he knows that it is actually going to blow,there is no one who won't listen.

 

[The Batman]

Batman's post said this to you a few pages ago and all you did was facepalm even though he's right;

THANK YOU, Fudgie. Thank you.

I read the comics Alex. And your useless post is made even more useless by the fact that the 1939/1940 Batman never contradicted himself by having a "I don't kill people" rule, then killing. The story you mention was just another day at the office for early Batman. The only contradiction there was that he admits that he hates killing, even though a year earlier he punches a guy into a vat of acid and just says "A fitting end for his kind".

And you quoted this, Logan. Seriously? Seriously?

This is why I have such a "Sunny disposition". When you deal with egotists that wanna be right so bad that they miss the facts, its hard to hide your annoyance with them. Especially when they try to claim you didn't read the comics because they don't know how to read.

Saying he doesn't like taking life doesn't mean he won't do it. He never said he doesn't kill or execute. Bale's Batman did.

Big LOL at him telling Selina earlier "No guns. No killing" then he goes and blasts the hell out of Talia's driver.

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[Brain Damage]

I wish we got to see Batman beating mercenaries up right before this scene

 

[QuantumBane]

Do you guys realized that Scarecrow is the villain that appeared the most in all batman films?lol.. .

 

[Tacit Ronin]

^^^Wow! Never realized that. You are an genius.

 

[TheBat812]

I still think there's a blatant lack of respect or compromise from the naysayers side. Those of us who like the film have conceded that there are those who are not satisfied with the film have their right to it, and see where they're coming from despite disagreeing. All I'm hearing from the naysayers is that we're making everything up and are stupid for not agreeing. Pretty frustrating to try to converse with those unwilling to at least admit there's possibility for other interpretation. If you can't at least admit that our theories have a basis in the facts provided by the films, then you're being incredibly stubborn and egocentric.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Random stuff:

Selina confronting Daggett about the where the clean slate is is similar to Batman confronting Bane to where the trigger is. The clean slate was in Bruce's hands all that time, while the trigger was in Talia's hands all that time.

Alfred complains to Bruce that the police would have the tools to analyze things better if Bruce would give it to them (talking about his computer tech). Ex-cop Blake later gets exactly that, but when Bruce left the cave to him, he probably couldn't/might not have known that he quit the police force.

 

[BatLobster]

Alfred complains to Bruce that the police would have the tools to analyze things better if Bruce would give it to them (talking about his computer tech). Ex-cop Blake later gets exactly that, but when Bruce left the cave to him, he probably couldn't/might not have known that he quit the police force.

Dude! I hadn't even thought of that! Pretty cool...

 

[shauner111]

Alfred complains to Bruce that the police would have the tools to analyze things better if Bruce would give it to them (talking about his computer tech). Ex-cop Blake later gets exactly that, but when Bruce left the cave to him, he probably couldn't/might not have known that he quit the police force.

Never looked at it that way. Bruce could have been handing his tech/batcave over to Robin so he can use it for the police. Whether Blake becomes a new hero or nothing at all, Bruce might have been just giving him the keys to all of this equipment so he can share it with the police if he chooses.

It begs the question. Would Bruce be extremely dissapointed that Blake has quit the force? That Blake has instead seperated himself from the police much like Bruce Wayne did in his past? Or was that his intention..

 

[TheBat812]

I think he's leaving the decision to Blake.

 

[BatLobster]

I think Bruce left the choice squarely in Blake's hands. Either way he put Blake in a position where he could be more effective in stopping crime.

I do wonder what Blake's plans were once he quit the force though, if he had a plan.

 

[CristiMAN]

I wish we got to see Batman beating mercenaries up right before this scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kXrjS7O1A0&feature=related

 

[Brain Damage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kXrjS7O1A0&feature=related

I know, I wish we saw all of that in the movie.

 

[CristiMAN]

I know, I wish we saw all of that in the movie.

Me too...

 

[shauner111]

The stuff they cut was weak anyway, so it doesnt bother me.

I think Bruce left the choice squarely in Blake's hands. Either way he put Blake in a position where he could be more effective in stopping crime.

I do wonder what Blake's plans were once he quit the force though, if he had a plan.

It's Blakes decision. But i dont think he had a plan when he quit, i think he just had enough at that point.

Blake can use the tech to help the police, but he quit..so it looks like he's going solo. I would say there's a chance of him using the equipment and means to track down criminals in a more violent vigilante way (much like Jason Todd's Red Hood) but that scene with him throwing away the gun was there for a reason. So no to that. He's not exactly a loose cannon, he's a little more like Bruce anyway.

It seems as if hes inherited the cave, which is directly under this new school for Orphans...so he can always get a job doing that while staying at the Manor. Even if he didnt have a plan, it wouldnt be difficult to find something else financially now that he's out of the force.

I guess Bruce wouldnt really care whether Blake stayed with the police or not.

 

[TheBat812]

Blake seems to be at the same place Bruce was when he throws the gun away in bb. Only certain of his need for justice, but unsure of where to begin. Bruce gives him a direction and a head start.

 

[Anita18]

The stuff they cut was weak anyway, so it doesnt bother me.

It's Blakes decision. But i dont think he had a plan when he quit, i think he just had enough at that point.

Blake can use the tech to help the police, but he quit..so it looks like he's going solo. I would say there's a chance of him using the equipment and means to track down criminals in a more violent vigilante way (much like Jason Todd's Red Hood) but that scene with him throwing away the gun was there for a reason. So no to that. He's not exactly a loose cannon, he's a little more like Bruce anyway.

It seems as if hes inherited the cave, which is directly under this new school for Orphans...so he can always get a job doing that while staying at the Manor. Even if he didnt have a plan, it wouldnt be difficult to find something else financially now that he's out of the force.

I guess Bruce wouldnt really care whether Blake stayed with the police or not.

I did wonder what Blake's first convo with Gordon after discovering the cave would be like.

 

[Travesty]

I have, and I've had an argument or two in them, but they were always respectful and never turned hostile.

I'm sure there's ****tards everywhere

Ohhhahahohhhh, man. I've seen some hostile arguments before. Especially if the shop has a setup for people to play Magic the Gathering or D&D. I've seen a few tables being flipped before....it's pretty funny stuff.

And while Comic Book shops can get hostile, it's nothing compared to being in a bar and rooting for an apposing team. Now that can get downright scary at times.

 

[shauner111]

Ohhhahahohhhh, man. I've seen some hostile arguments before. Especially if the shop has a setup for people to play Magic the Gathering or D&D. I've seen a few tables being flipped before....it's pretty funny stuff.

And while Comic Book shops can get hostile, it's nothing compared to being in a bar and rooting for an apposing team. Now that can get downright scary at times.

That's hilarious! Id love to see that.

 

[Mike_D202]

Yes,it is true that he is considered a nut case outside Gotham,but that's Bruce Wayne under that mask.He is the richest and the most powerful.If he reveals his identity(which he obviously can to save his city) and tell them that his company made the device and that he knows that it is actually going to blow,there is no one who won't listen.

Bruce didn't trust ANYBODY, he told Miranda that when he was trusting her with the device. I don't think he was gonna go to the U.S. Government (probably the one thing he didn't want the device to be given to in the first place) and tell them that he made the bomb and to go in there and help him fight while he's dressed up in a costume.

 

[J.Howlett]

Has anyone read this yet? http://whatculture.com/film/the-dark-knight-rises-postmodern-prometheus.php

Just great stuff in this editorial.

 

[CConn]

I haven't read the whole article yet, but honestly, it kinda seems like his point would be more simply proven by saying Batman is allegorical to God or Jesus Christ than Prometheus.

I mean, in his context, all three figures pretty much serve the same purpose (creators/savors of man), but the Christian God/Jesus are more relevant to our current society.