The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - Part 140

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Have not seen it in a while, but how does Bane enter and leave the pit when he drops Bruce off in it?

Did he enter by rope?

If so, why would the prisoners not jump him so they can all escape. I know Bane is scary blah blah but I'd rather die than sit in the pit my whole life. If they all know the story of Bane and how his mask work why not all gang up on him to escape?
 
Firearms tend to keep people at bay for some reason. Sorcery, perhaps? :o
 
Have not seen it in a while, but how does Bane enter and leave the pit when he drops Bruce off in it?

Did he enter by rope?

If so, why would the prisoners not jump him so they can all escape. I know Bane is scary blah blah but I'd rather die than sit in the pit my whole life. If they all know the story of Bane and how his mask work why not all gang up on him to escape?

Bane didn't drag Batman out of the sewers on his own. Its likely he didn't bring him into the Pit on his own, either.
 
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I still would have preferred Batman being broken in the earlier parts of the movie and that's why he was gone for 8 years, yes it would have taken more storytelling but that would have made the comeback even sweeter. Also, he would have had a legitimate reason for being gone for 8 years.
 
Liam Nesson hasn't seen TDKR? He should see it ASAP! Funny story, he is a great guy, I'm glad he could make the scene, it was one memorable of the most memorable moments from the film.

The way he Ra's said: "You, yourself fought the decadence of Gotham for years with all your strength, all your resources, all your moral authority and the only victory you achieved was a lie. Now you understand Gotham is beyond saving and must be allowed to die." was so true and hurtful, and his delivery made it perfect.
 
I still would have preferred Batman being broken in the earlier parts of the movie and that's why he was gone for 8 years, yes it would have taken more storytelling but that would have made the comeback even sweeter. Also, he would have had a legitimate reason for being gone for 8 years.

But Batman having his back broken for 8 years likely means the Gotham siege lasting 8 years. A siege on a major American city lasting a few months (like in the movie) is a stretch, 8 years is just way too unbelievable.
 
Tonight was my 7th and final time seeing The Dark Knight Rises. It was the only time tears rolled in the final moments of the film, and it was amongst the most powerful and memorable theater going experiences I ever had, sitting alone in an empty IMAX theater.

I also noticed a number of things I think are worth mentioning.

1.) The very first time we enter the Wayne Enterprises board room, the camera tracks in and swiftly turns left, then the meeting takes place. The second time, this camera move is repeated so when Bane's presence is unveiled, the familiarity felt with the camera movement becomes disoriented, making the moment more shocking/striking.

2.) Here's one a lot of people will find important. We're all idiots. All of us, the internet, me, you, everyone. The film directly gives us proof Bruce Wayne stopped at Wayne Manor, or at least one of his bunkers or caches. Really ****ing obvious proof, actually, we should all be ashamed. What does Bruce Wayne do the first scene he's back in Gotham? What does he give Selina? Right. What, was the clean slate stuffed up his ******* for the entire second act?

3.) This sounds rather silly to specifically mention because of the obviousness of it, but it's really interesting what Nolan does in the final act of the picture. The photography of each setting adds and adds to the massive scale. For instance, the bridge frequently frames the city in the background, essentially illustrating the relationship between it and Blake, Blake's distance from it via Bruce, amplifying the stakes on hand with what are basically establishing shots of the city frequently, along with the stakes on the bridge itself. Additionally, the Gordon arc almost always has the camera tilted upwards or in such a way to emphasize the vertical quality of a downtown metropolitan area, again reinforcing the scale. It's interesting because each of the three arcs take place far from one another and are much different in tone/scale, but because each is vastly different visually and in action united under the general idea of "Gotham", emphasizing the city-ness of the stakes really contributes to making this picture feel ****ing gigantic.

4.) The first two shots of Bruce Wayne in the bat cave leaves Bruce out of focus, obviously emphasizing the lack of place and connection between Bruce and the iconography of Batman.

5.) This might be my favorite of the things I noticed since it illiterates the subtlety Nolan interweaves in what many call a bombastic affair. Following Talia stabbing Bruce and as viewers we witness his shock and horror, it cuts to the Gordon arc with a shot featuring the chalk bat symbol in focus, on what might have been a beam. It instantly goes out of focus, as if the "bat" is no longer clear and instead blurred, distorted. When it cuts back to Bruce, sure enough, Batman's talking in Bruce's voice, the persona has been blurred and distorted.

-Vader
 
2.) Here's one a lot of people will find important. We're all idiots. All of us, the internet, me, you, everyone. The film directly gives us proof Bruce Wayne stopped at Wayne Manor, or at least one of his bunkers or caches. Really ****ing obvious proof, actually, we should all be ashamed. What does Bruce Wayne do the first scene he's back in Gotham? What does he give Selina? Right. What, was the clean slate stuffed up his ******* for the entire second act?

Thanks for sharing all your observations, always great to hear. Just wanted to address the above point...was anyone actually confused about this? I thought it was pretty obvious that Bruce had to have stopped at Wayne Manor first, as it is off the Gotham mainland and there are a number of ways he could have got there without alerting Bane and the LOS. Shaved, showered, got himself a change of clothes, ate a good meal (hopefully) and picked up the clean slate. From there, I'd say it's most probable that he made it onto the island by walking the ice, since he's shown doing it with no problem later on, plus his training on ice in Begins. I'm under the belief that The Bat was parked on that roof after he took it out for his fight with Bane. Lucius' joke about remembering where he parked is funnier that way :oldrazz:
 
Sucks, my theaters finally stopped showing Dark Knight Rises. I still want to see it one more time.

One of my good theaters showed the Avengers when it came out on Blu-Ray, so maybe the will do the same with the Dark Knight Rises.
 
It just stopped now? Mine stopped at least the first week of September, honestly probably before that.
 
A theater an hour from me is still playing it in IMAX. I may have checked it out last week. :oldrazz: Well okay, it also gave me the excuse to shop at the nearby outlet mall and pick up some cheap shoes....

AND! The $2 second-run theater across from my school has picked up TDKR this weekend! I'll probably be catching the evening showings after class, so it'll be $3, but STILL. GOODBYE MY ACTUAL LIFE. :awesome: :brucebat:
 
Here is some related Batman news :

http://moviehole.net/201258386exclusive-armie-hammer-back-on-wbs-radar-for-batman

Exclusive : Armie Hammer back on WB’s radar for Batman

Clint Morris

October 8, 2012


When he was cast as Batman in George Miller’s “Justice League of America”, the anointment of actor Armie Hammer to a blockbuster superhero tent pole and, more importantly, such a legendary role drew mostly arched eyebrows and head scratching.

Hammer, like most of the young cast enlisted for the doomed project, was an unknown at the time. So as great as he might have looked in the black duds, most were still dubious.

Doesn’t much matter now, the film never happened.

As Hammer recalled in a recent interview with MTV, “We had gotten a long way into pre-production,” said Hammer about the ill-fated Australia-set production. “We were about to start shooting when the writer’s strike happened at the end of 2007, and then the Australian government denied a 40% tax rebate that they thought they were going to have, so a lot of things just when wrong.”

“It’s unfortunate,” he continued, “because the amount of work that was already done — I mean, they had finished pre-production and they were a couple of days away from starting to shoot, so it’s a shame that nobody got to see all of the work that got put into it.”

Sigh. The guy apparently loved wearing the Batman suit, too (“I loved it. But I didn’t even get a picture of it.”)

So the movie never happened. But Hammer’s career did.

Will the combination of recently acquired star power and role suitability get Hammer a second shot at bringing his take on the Caped Crusader to the screen?
Quite possibly.

Hearing, from a very good source, today that Hammer, who is now a hot commodity after such flicks as “The Social Network” and “Mirror Mirror”, not to mention his upcoming lead role in “The Lone Ranger”, is ”back on WB’s radar” for the part of Batman. Not for a solo flick, but for the ensemble “Justice League” movie [again].
The studio need a new guy to guard the cave now that Christian Bale has hung up the cowl. And with plans to reintroduce a younger take on the character in the upcoming “Justice League” movie, a draft of which has been completed by Will Beale, the studio has Hammer atop of their list of potentials. It’s really, when you think about it, a no-brainer. Thus, I wasn’t much surprised when informed this morning that he’s in with a good chance to play the part in the superhero tag-team movie.

It’s a win win, really. Hammer apparently wears the suit smartly, has already rehearsed for the gig before, but more so, is a much bigger star than he was three or four years ago.


Hammer headlines Disney’s “Lone Ranger” next year and while eyes will be on that film’s performance (Earlier this year there was some talk of Taylor Kitsch being a contender for the new Batman, and while that’s still a possibility, the lackluster performance of the actor’s “Savages”, “John Carter” and “Battleship” this year definitely didn’t do anything to boost his appeal) , the young actor is, at this stage, in with a very good shot to jump from a horse to a batmobile shortly after.

The only disappointing part of hearing this news this morning, for me anyway? Confirmation that Joseph Gordon Levitt won’t be the next Batman – or any Batman, it seems. That last moment in “Dark Knight Rises”, as most suspected, wasn’t so much meant to set-up a future film but just a nice moment for the movie to end on.

“But the Batman in this movie might only be used in Justice League movies”, we’re informed, suggesting Hammer’s Batman might be restricted to the JLA universe, so chances are someone else might be get a shot at donning the charcoal duds in a solo movie.


Casting is still a ways off for “Justice League” – Which will unite the characters of Superman, Batman, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter – but Warner’s are smart in getting a head start in mixing and matching a workable team of thesps for the main roles.
 
Yeah, was anyone really expecting this to lead into more batman movies featuring JGL?
 
Which is sad, considering even nolan said he's done with the franchise, and people still think he isn't. :funny:
 
Its more about fanboy pipedreams. They don't want to admit its over, especially with an ambiguous ending.
 
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