The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 141

[CapedCrusader14]

the training is nothing? thats just ... not true. sure you can stand up for whats right... but without the training... batman couldn't have done 90% of what he did lol

the training + the will = Batman

just the will =/= batman.

I'm not literally trying to say that the Batman could be anyone means that it only takes will. As shauner said, everyone has their own way of standing up for what's right and their morals etc, Bruce Wayne just happened to do it by beating the **** out of criminal scum Anyone could stand for what Batman stood for, just not necessarily in the literal sense of fighting crime every night.

 

[shauner111]

the training is nothing? thats just ... not true. sure you can stand up for whats right... but without the training... batman couldn't have done 90% of what he did lol

the training + the will = Batman

just the will =/= batman.

Yes the training AND the will combined = Batman. But the concept of the Batman and what it represents if you're just an ordinary citizen who wants to stand up for whats right, and be inspired by Batmans philosophy...THAT doesnt need training. The will in that case is everything.

Before you train and go out there the most important aspect to get right, is that you have the will.

Bruce has no idea if Blakes gonna put on a suit to fight criminals, but he leaves it to him just incase he wants to. Blake has the will to stand up for whats right. Bruce knows this. So if Blake just wants to be inspired by the symbol then he can...the will is EVERYTHING. But if we see Blake in future installments that means he has become the literal Batman and he needs training to go with that will. It will have to be addressed.

 

[Reek]

John Blake is unemployed now...he can't afford to be Batman

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Maybe Bruce left him some offshore accounts

 

[shauner111]

John Blake is unemployed now...he can't afford to be Batman

Yes right NOW. He cant afford? Not true, he has the gadgets left to him by Bruce and he has Fox to gladly help him out. My guess is a new story would begin about a couple of years after TDKR and he has the training and probably working/living at Wayne Manor. Or perhaps another job. He'll have the means, the funds to be whatever he needs to be.

 

[Anno_Domini]

then get rid of the damn statue!

should be a statue of bruce in the suit, holding the cowl.

There's no reason to have a statue of Bruce in the suit, holding unto the cowl.

What made you think of this?

 

[kvz5]

I also prefer the notion of "A Hero Can Be Anyone", because it's absolutely true.

But I feel as if the "Batman could be anyone" comment was more about how anyone can stand for what the Batman stands for, not necessarily running around the streets beating criminals to a pulp with your bare hands.

Yeah I personally think the "a hero can be anyone" is more appropriate and should've been enough as the overall theme since it's more general. Standing up for what's right or doing something noble without fighting off goons in a cape and cowl is a damn heroic act. Being Batman is more specific and not everyone can do what Bruce did. The tragedy that defined him, his resources, anger, etc. is what made him unique.

 

[Anno_Domini]

the training is nothing? thats just ... not true. sure you can stand up for whats right... but without the training... batman couldn't have done 90% of what he did lol

the training + the will = Batman

just the will =/= batman.

Really? 90%?

He's Bruce Wayne who could get into his company's artillery and what have you and he already knew how to fight as we saw. Ra's only gave him the knowledge of how to use theatricality and deception as well as providing him on how to fight "600 men instead of 6", which we never got to see Batman having to take down 600 men, lol.

 

[Reek]

that joke flew right over your head...

 

[Reek]

There's no reason to have a statue of Bruce in the suit, holding unto the cowl.

What made you think of this?

thats just what i wanted the ending to be like... bruce totally gets shafted as some piece of crap playboy.

 

[Reek]

Really? 90%?

He's Bruce Wayne who could get into his company's artillery and what have you and he already knew how to fight as we saw. Ra's only gave him the knowledge of how to use theatricality and deception as well as providing him on how to fight "600 men instead of 6", which we never got to see Batman having to take down 600 men, lol.

i was exaggerating.


lol some of you guys get really defensive about this stuff.

 

[shauner111]

Blake could be just as physical as Bruce was if they reference his training with Bruce. That's something i would like to hear. A little reference to how Robin was trained by the original Batman and Bruce now lives happy in Italy somewhere with or without Selina. Have it take place a couple years after Rises. Gothams at peace during this time, rebuilding.

 

[Tequilla]

I like how Nolan addressed that his interpretation isn't for every fan. It's definately my favorite interpretation of it though.

Wait until some guy writes that Nolan didn't understand the movie he made.


For me, The Dark Knight Rises is specifically and definitely the end of the Batman story as I wanted to tell it, and the open-ended nature of the film is simply a very important thematic idea that we wanted to get into the movie, which is that Batman is a symbol.


How i would love to go back and read some post about this (the ending , john blake , etc). It's so nice to have the director's words about it. So........NICE

 

[Anita18]

true, i was just saying how id want it to end ...

batman was seen as a symbol before blake got on the platform/found the cave... completely unnecessary when the point was already made.

For me Bruce passing his resources to Blake wasn't really about passing on Batman as a symbol, but a sure sign that Bruce had moved on. Remember how in the entirety of the trilogy, Bruce refuses to share his knowledge and resources? Even in TDKR, after the stock exchange takedown, Alfred says the police can take care of it and Bruce doesn't think they can. He's too precious about Batman. Batman is HIS, and his alone. Nobody else is qualified to do what he does.

By giving Blake the Batcave, he's finally starting to trust the world.

 

[kvz5]

For me Bruce passing his resources to Blake wasn't really about passing on Batman as a symbol, but a sure sign that Bruce had moved on. Remember how in the entirety of the trilogy, Bruce refuses to share his knowledge and resources? Even in TDKR, after the stock exchange takedown, Alfred says the police can take care of it and Bruce doesn't think they can. He's too precious about Batman. Batman is HIS, and his alone. Nobody else is qualified to do what he does.

By giving Blake the Batcave, he's finally starting to trust the world.

But he lent Gordon his Tumbler and Selina his Batpod.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Just saw a Blu-ray/DVD spot on ESPN for TDKR with Jon Gruden.

Will find it as soon as I can on YouTube if no one else has. Pretty awesome to see Coach Gruden on the promo though, lol.

thats just what i wanted the ending to be like... bruce totally gets shafted as some piece of crap playboy.

Then your problem should be Bruce is never outed as Batman and that's a whole different sack of potatoes, lol. Although, it's also something Bruce never cared about with the city knowing that he was Batman and only a select few.

that joke flew right over your head...

You sure it was funny? t:

i was exaggerating.


lol some of you guys get really defensive about this stuff.

Not defensive at all, just more funny how people do rather exaggerate.

 

[Anno_Domini]

But he lent Gordon his Tumbler and Selina his Batpod.

I still wonder what happened to the Bat-pod. Tumbler - destroyed; The Bat - destroyed; Bat-pod - ?

 

[the dmg]

the training is nothing? thats just ... not true. sure you can stand up for whats right... but without the training... batman couldn't have done 90% of what he did lol

the training + the will = Batman

just the will =/= batman.

I'm pretty sure Ducard/Ra's was referring to having courage and purpose. Look at GCPD, they have the proper training to do what's right, yet they corrupt their ideals and let the mod do as they please because it's easier than standing up against them. Even Gordon was like this, as he clearly let Flass do his deals in front of him because of his fears.

If it wasn't for Batman, they would have continued to not act even though they could actually do something about it.

 

[kvz5]

I still wonder what happened to the Bat-pod. Tumbler - destroyed; The Bat - destroyed; Bat-pod - ?

They brought it with them to Italy of course. That and the Catsuit.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Bruce always wanted to try the catsuit on...

 

[BlueLightning]

Some photos from the newly updated Second Screen iPad app -

Spoiler

That's great. Does anybody has the Gotham City Map of the Viral Marketing of TDK to see if its the same. I can't find it in my discs.

 

[Anita18]

But he lent Gordon his Tumbler and Selina his Batpod.

And he told them exactly what he wanted them to do with it.

 

[Anita18]

That's great. Does anybody has the Gotham City Map of the Viral Marketing of TDK to see if its the same. I can't find it in my discs.

-coughs-

http://www.whysoseriousredux.com/map/home.htm

But no, I'm sick so I really am coughing a lot nowadays.

 

[Reek]

You sure it was funny? t:

LoL that wasn't to you, it was to shauner... I made a joke about Blake being unemployed and couldnt afford it... and got a whole response about it lol

 

[shauner111]

cuz i didnt take it as a joke. it probably just wasnt that funny