The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 146

Status
Not open for further replies.
I didn't feel the BB suit was animalistic enough; it was just sort of shapeless. I much preferred the armored look of TDK/TDKR. A more animalistic appearance could've been achieved though the use of a cloth ninja-esque batsuit, augmented with the use of the blue flower gas that Crane used for fear gas. Non-lethal doses, of course.
 
Ew, no. I hate the idea of Batman using fear gas.
 
Someone on tumblr rebloged one of my Mask of the Phantasm gifs and added this amazing post.

songoharotto said:
Mask of the Phantasm is everything great about B:TAS. Can you imagine if Andrea Beaumont had been the love interest in Batman Begins? She could have her own arc over the course of the trilogy and everything.

At first a childhood sweetheart of Bruce Wayne’s, heartbroken by his disappearance. Then an idealistic ADA, hopeful at Bruce’s return, but disgusted by his new playboy persona. She sees a purity in The Batman’s vigilante justice, but Bruce keeps the secret of his dual identity from Andrea, knowing it will only put her in danger.

In The Dark Knight, Andrea has fallen for the charming Harvey Dent. Meanwhile, the chaotic Joker plays the police, mob, public, and Batman against each other, bringing the city to its knees. Lovesick Bruce outs himself to Andrea in hopes of winning her back, but his timing couldn’t be worse: Joker has just publicly exposed ADA Beaumont’s own familial ties to organized crime and how she pulled strings to achieve career success. The public’s newfound hope is strained further by this betrayal from one of their city’s shining stars.

Andrea pleads with Bruce that she only did it to get an edge, to enforce justice from the top down, but this conflicts with Batman’s mission and he rejects her. When Joker sets his death trap, it is Bruce who decides to save Harvey over Andrea, leading to her apparent death. Rather than being tricked by the Joker, Bruce sees himself as solely at fault for letting his emotions get the better of him.

The Joker is finally apprehended, but not before he inspires Harvey ‘Two-Face’ to go on a roaring rampage of revenge. He dies and Batman takes the fall, in order to protect what remains of the public’s fragile hopes. Bruce hangs up the cape, but for years, stories persist of a cloaked vigilante acting as judge, jury, and executioner. All of this builds upon the urban legend of the Batman.

Infamous terrorist Bane comes to Gotham, seeking the Batman but finding a grim new face, the Phantasm. A brutal shadow war begins, pulling Bruce out of retirement. He discovers that the Phantasm is Andrea Beaumont, who had escaped Joker’s death trap and gone into hiding, shamed by her public humiliation and personal falling out with Bruce.

In Batman’s absence, Andrea took up a mantle of her own to strike at the monsters of the world, whom she sees as the ones responsible for the tragedy in hers and Bruce’s lives. This had brought her into conflict with the League of Shadows, including its front man Bane and the League’s mysterious new leader…

At least, I think that would have been cool. The inclusion of Selina Kyle/Catwoman is easily the weakest part of Dark Knight Rises. Her subplot is so disconnected from everything else and the romance with Bruce feels rushed. Faking his death to run away with Selina didn’t feel like it was earned.

But if Bruce had finally reconciled with his lost love, Andrea, together defeating the League once and for all. Yeah, that would have felt right. Ah well, what could have been.
 
BB was absolutely the best showing of Nolan's Batman persona. Best costume, best bat voice, etc.

Even though he technically had less experience than his TDK/TDKR incarnations, BB Batman felt like such a dominating and ferocious figure, to the point that I couldn't see Joker running rings around him or Bane kicking his ass in a fight.
 
Just watched TDKR for the first time on my parents and 60in TV and the face that Bale makes during the final fight when Bane is approaching him on the stairs is just pure Batman. Had to rewind it like three times and it just made me so happy for some random reason. Can't believe I didn't notice it until now.

This face?

r2OAcdX.gif



Someone on tumblr rebloged one of my Mask of the Phantasm gifs and added this amazing post.

That sounded awesome! :up:

It's too bad that the arc of the love interests weren't thought out as one big arc throughout the trilogy. It had the potential for some epic stuff even if they used the ones we had in the trilogy. Like, maybe introduce Talia in BB and then introduce Selina/Catwoman in TDK.
 
Someone on tumblr rebloged one of my Mask of the Phantasm gifs and added this amazing post.

An excellent post. I especially agree with the Selina/Catwoman parts.

BB was absolutely the best showing of Nolan's Batman persona. Best costume, best bat voice, etc.

Even though he technically had less experience than his TDK/TDKR incarnations, BB Batman felt like such a dominating and ferocious figure, to the point that I couldn't see Joker running rings around him or Bane kicking his ass in a fight.

You know, the more I watch the trilogy, the more BB starts looking like the real gem.

I mean I love TDK/TDKR, but BB just captured Batman so wonderfully and Bale gave arguably his best performance.
 
You know, the more I watch the trilogy, the more BB starts looking like the real gem.

I mean I love TDK/TDKR, but BB just captured Batman so wonderfully and Bale gave arguably his best performance.

BB Batman was an absolute force of nature. I feel like they toned down TDK/TDKR Batman to make the villains looks more like a challenge.

I would've loved to see BB Batman go up against Bane.
 
This face?

r2OAcdX.gif





That sounded awesome! :up:

It's too bad that the arc of the love interests weren't thought out as one big arc throughout the trilogy. It had the potential for some epic stuff even if they used the ones we had in the trilogy. Like, maybe introduce Talia in BB and then introduce Selina/Catwoman in TDK.

Yea, that's the face. Just seemed like a perfect expression of rage and determination after everything he had been through in the past months/years. Funny how I'll now remember that little detail/moment than basically anything with John Blake and some other major points of TDKR. It's still one of my favorite films, but some parts I'm not a huge fan of. But that often happens in films or stories on the scale of TDKR.
 
BB Batman was an absolute force of nature. I feel like they toned down TDK/TDKR Batman to make the villains looks more like a challenge.

I would've loved to see BB Batman go up against Bane.

I feel the same way.
 
This face?

r2OAcdX.gif
Love my Bats! :brucebat:

That sounded awesome! :up:

It's too bad that the arc of the love interests weren't thought out as one big arc throughout the trilogy. It had the potential for some epic stuff even if they used the ones we had in the trilogy. Like, maybe introduce Talia in BB and then introduce Selina/Catwoman in TDK.
That would require Nolan think ahead to the next movie, which he reportedly does not do. :funny:

I was pleasantly surprised they kept Rachel throughout all 3, even if it wasn't a real romance and she was just an idea in TDKR. At least she wasn't explained away like in the Burton/Schumacher films. But I think that's a new thing in today's CBMs - keeping the same love interest. :yay:
 
BB Batman was an absolute force of nature. I feel like they toned down TDK/TDKR Batman to make the villains looks more like a challenge.

I would've loved to see BB Batman go up against Bane.

I can't agree in the Joker's case. Batman was in his prime in TDK. The challenge Joker presented wouldn't have been any different than if he had done it in BB.

Bane's on the other hand would definitely be different though because his victory over Batman was predicated on Batman being 8 years out of practice, and having a death wish. Like in Knightfall, Bane only won because he wore Batman down physically and then broke him.

Bane never won against a Batman in his prime.
 
That's usually the idea behind Bane though. If a young Batman squared off against Bane, there would be a challenge for Batman no doubt but he would win the first fight. A longer first fight im sure, but he would win.
 
There was a poll here last year where everyone swore that Bane would still win a first fight against BB Batman.
 
Nah. BB Bats would've made Bane cry at the first fight. And he probably would've made Catwoman pay too for betraying him. :wow: :oldrazz:
 
There was a poll here last year where everyone swore that Bane would still win a first fight against BB Batman.

I don't see how. Even Bane said something like "Time has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you."
 
Nah. BB Bats would've made Bane cry at the first fight. And he probably would've made Catwoman pay too for betraying him. :wow: :oldrazz:

Lol...I still roll my eyes at how Bruce decided that a woman who caused him so much grief should be the one he runs off to Italy with, hahahahah

BB Batman would not have let that pass. He would've hung her upside down while she was eating falafel and shouted in her face.

I don't see how. Even Bane said something like "Time has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you."

A lot of fans had a mancrush on Hardy/Bane, both before and after the film came out, lol...I remember reading their reasonings and realizing that most of them had never actually read comics with Bane in it.
 
BB Batman was an absolute force of nature. I feel like they toned down TDK/TDKR Batman to make the villains looks more like a challenge.

I would've loved to see BB Batman go up against Bane.

I agree on TDKR but I disagree on TDK. I felt that Batman's abilities were at an all-time high in that film in comparison to BB and TDKR not just physically but mentally as well. Out of all the action scenes, the sonar scene is easily the most Batman scene in the entire trilogy IMO.

The more we are having this conversation, the more I get annoyed by the 8-year retirement gap. I really wanted to see how Bale's Batman would have been with a lot of mileage and experience behind him. I wonder how similar he would have been to the Batman of the comics in terms of his abilities. We will sadly never know. :csad:
 
When we first heard about the 8 year skip, I thought it meant that we're seeing a Bruce Wayne who shut down emotionally because of Rachel's death and spent all those 8 years as Batman fighting crime and avoiding the GCPD at the same time. I wouldn't mind the 8 year gap if that's what happened.
 
It seems almost a minority opinion on here but I liked the 8 year gap. I felt it worked well for this story.
 
Last edited:
It seems almost a minority opinion on here but I liked the 8 year gap. I flt it worked well for this story.

What bugs me about the gap is not the gap itself but the 8 year retirement and the fact that the gap somehow cancels out many of the things set up by TDK.

Much like kvz25, I was at first excited about the 8 year gap. I couldn't wait to see how Gotham has evolved, all the villains Batman fought throughout the years, and how experienced Bale's Batman would have been. I thought we were going to get the world's greatest detective out of the gap and such.
 
It seems almost a minority opinion on here but I liked the 8 year gap. I flt it worked well for this story.

Nah... I liked it as well. :up: I'm just not fond of the circumstances around it.


What bugs me about the gap is not the gap itself but the 8 year retirement and the fact that the gap somehow cancels out many of the things set up by TDK.

Much like kvz25, I was at first excited about the 8 year gap. I couldn't wait to see how Gotham has evolved, all the villains Batman fought throughout the years, and how experienced Bale's Batman would have been. I thought we were going to get the world's greatest detective out of the gap and such.

Ditto.

TDK's end led me to believe that we'll see Batman being hailed as a murderer by Gotham while still fighting crime with the added nuisance of the GCPD hunting him down .
 
Last edited:
The 8 year gap was brilliant but the retirement vs no retirement angle could have went either way. Both made sense and both honored the ending to TDK which is why that ending was such a great cliffhanger. The third was left to the imagination, the only thing that had to be there was Batman on the run as a fugitive and depressed from the deaths of Dent and Rachel. But retirement versus no retirement? Was all up to Nolan.

I think the problem with making Bruce stay as Batman (and no Dent Act either) for 8 years or even half of that time.....is that WB would FOREVER be making prequels to Rises. And I do mean FOREVER. Nolan would have no control because he would have dug his own grave if he was against it.

WB would have never rebooted for the longest time and just made a trilogy or more movies that show Batman in his prime like the comics taking out villain after villain.

I totally see the appeal Shika. But I see Nolan's point of wanting a tight trilogy with an ending. He's inspired by the original Star Wars and Godfather trilogies and I see why he wanted to have his version of them with Batman. There was no way Chris could have done a closed trilogy ALL with a younger Bruce either. There had to be a gap and fortunately/unfortunately it had to be with Bruce retired during it.

You can bet ur ass WB would have re-cast Bale and the others, done prequels and fit Justice League and everything.
 
Last edited:
I think an active yet still hunted Batman was what most people expected when they heard about the gap. I almost feel like Nolan and Goyer set up the 8-year "retirement" simply as a way of giving us something we didn't expect. Which I think the movie suffered for
 
Ditto.

TDK's end led me to believe that we'll see Batman being hailed as a murderer by Gotham while still fighting crime with the added nuisance of the GCPD hunting him down .

Yeah. The mob wasn't as afraid of Batman anymore... they knew he wouldn't kill. Once word got out that the Batman killed Dent, criminals would have been scared to death of him again. The end of TDK really made it seem like Batman's career was about to hit full stride. That's why the beginning of TDKR is so jarring... apparently Gordon was wrong when he said "he can take it."
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Staff online

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
202,359
Messages
22,091,556
Members
45,886
Latest member
Elchido
Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"