The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 147

[ChrisB]

There were only 3 years between Keaton and Kilmer...

Yeah but I was expecting at least a 5 year gap before they rebooted Batman. Then again, that was before all the Justice League talk.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It's a "softer" reboot in that it's not a batman solo. So the new actor is not burdened with the whole film on his shoulder's. I think the plan was always going to be WF or JL before the next full solo batman series? To help ease into the transition for the audience.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I never expected them to retell Batman's origin story. THAT would be too soon for sure. So a WF film seems like an okay way to tell the world "hey this is a new Batman" and then to launch a series of ensuing Batman solo films.

 

[ChrisB]

I've got a sweet 1080p video of the big announcement here:
http://batman-news.com/2013/07/21/watch-this-batmansuperman-comic-con-announcement-video/

 

[Tequilla]

It is crazy how much things progress in a year. A year ago on July 20, the final chapter of the Nolan Batman franchise was released. A year later, a rebooted Batman is announced to appear in 2015.

I have to be honest that I do not think a WF film for 2015 was the best decision to take. It may be a good decision financially due to all the competitions in 2015 but it is by no means a good story decision. It's not a bad decision but not exactly a good one either. I don't even know what story they can possibly tell. The only thing I can think of that would bring Batman and Superman together at this point is if one of their respective villains goes to another's city. Superman practically has no introduced villains at the moment (Zod is dead) and the only Batman villain I can see running to Metropolis is the Joker. Another possibility would be Ra's al Ghul coming to Metropolis to go after Superman, possibly teaming up with Lex. Or maybe they're united by a villain that doesn't belong to either of them. I don't know but I do think it will be hard to pull off this story without making the film feel released prematurely.

Waner doesn't give a rat's ass about story's decisions. It's all about the money. A caliber director like Nolan being involved with Batman and being able to actually develop his own idea is a complete rarity and an extremely lucky decision because when he started he had nowhere near the reputation he has.

I think between a jl movie and a wf , the second sounds much better as an introduction to this crossover universe. At least we have that.

 

[AnneFan]

I never expected them to retell Batman's origin story. THAT would be too soon for sure. So a WF film seems like an okay way to tell the world "hey this is a new Batman" and then to launch a series of ensuing Batman solo films.

Yeah, I've got no issue with it or the three year gap either. No matter how many years pass, Nolan's story is all wrapped up. I don't think there's much point waiting 5 plus years or whatever just because. If you've got something, run with it.

 

[Green Goblin]

Spider-Man - 5 years
Hulk - 5 years
Superman - 7 years
1st Batman reboot - 8 years
2nd Batman reboot - 3 years but after a well received film...

 

[BatLobster]

Goyer on the upcoming movie:

I grew up reading these comics. I read THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS when it came out. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that I would be writing, 'BATMAN: [blah, blah, blah]. SUPERMAN: [blah, blah, blah].'...that's crazy! We don't know what we're going to call it yet -- 'BATMAN VS SUPERMAN,' 'SUPERMAN VS BATMAN'...but those two guys on screen, that's happening.

-via BOF

Again, more emphasis on them OPPOSING each other rather than teaming up. That's a very good thing.

 

[shauner111]

Yeah it seems like it's much more of a Batman versus Superman type thing. Which should be the case. They should not be agreeing with each other when they meet. They'll find respect for each other at the end of the movie but Justice League will probably be the first time they truly team-up together.

 

[Victarion]

Yeah it seems like it's much more of a Batman versus Superman type thing. Which should be the case. They should not be agreeing with each other when they meet. They'll find respect for each other at the end of the movie but Justice League will probably be the first time they truly team-up together.

That clash of ideologies should be fun to see. Starting with a big event and easing into a new universe, and potentially DC cinematic universe, is a nice contrast to the MCU's approach.

 

[kvz5]

It's going to be weird seeing the trailers for this new Batman/Superman movie if they decide to still splatter the trailers with "From Producer Christopher Nolan of The Dark Knight Trilogy" tag lines and then cue to the Batman that is not Bale.

 

[shauner111]

Theyre executive producers this time, and it's a new Batman so I think it would be smart to not include their names in the trailers.

 

[kvz5]

Yeah, I think it's better and less tacky that they don't but I'm almost positive that they will. That was the whole point of having him as an exec producer. Just so they can include his name even if he's not involved heavily. Maybe they'd do a "From Producer Christopher Nolan of Inception and Interstellar"?

 

[Victarion]

How about "From Writer David Goyer of The Dark Knight Trilogy" or "From Writer David Goyer of Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Trilogy?"

 

[Shikamaru]

Goyer on the upcoming movie:

-via BOF

Again, more emphasis on them OPPOSING each other rather than teaming up. That's a very good thing.

The Goyer quote reliefs me but also worries me a bit at the same time. The fact that they're considering Superman vs. Batman as a title means that this is actually a Superman/Batman film as opposed to a Superman film guest starring Batman, which was one of my biggest worries. At the same time, I'm not sure I like the idea of one of them being the antagonist and the other being the protagonist. I'm even hearing rumors that Batman will be the "villain" of the story. Having them fight in the film is fine but I wouldn't want to see them still be opponents by the end of the film. What I always loved about the Superman/Batman dynamic is that, contrary to popular belief, they see themselves as brothers to one another despite them having completely polar opposite methods and ideologies. Very few other superheroes share a strong bond on their level. Superman's death in the comics even had an impact on Batman more than it did on any other superhero.

And since it is fitting for the topic, this is one of the most powerful scenes in the DCAU that I would like to see down the line if they kill Superman (skip to 07:56):
[YT]OPHSEWul5rU[/YT]

Too bad it is interrupted by an explosion.

 

[Monicabbm]

It's going to be weird seeing the trailers for this new Batman/Superman movie if they decide to still splatter the trailers with "From Producer Christopher Nolan of The Dark Knight Trilogy" tag lines and then cue to the Batman that is not Bale.

The warner will do this. It's all about the money!

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

So no chance of J.G.L taking over the mantle??

 

[Snow Queen]

The more I think about this, the better I feel about it.

What do you guys want the title to be?

 

[shauner111]

Normally id say World's Finest but theyre hinting that this may be more of a VERSUS kind of movie. For the general audience, id say just call the movie Batman/Superman or Batman vs. Superman.

 

[Shikamaru]

So no chance of J.G.L taking over the mantle??

Nope. Nolan's Batman universe is separate from the MOS universe.

The more I think about this, the better I feel about it.

What do you guys want the title to be?

World's Finest or Superman vs. Batman: World's Finest.

 

[BatLobster]

I think "World's Finest" could work. Sure, the general public doesn't know that refers to Superman/Batman, but just sticking the logos on the poster and a solid year of promotional build up would remedy that.

 

[shauner111]

That could work, but im not 100 percent convinced of it. Im down with any title to be honest.

 

[The Shape]

World's Finest is the way to go. Yeah, they're going to clash for most of the film, but we all know they're gonna team up by the end for the "last battle". It's gonna be unreal.

 

[BatLobster]

See, I'm kinda the opposite. I wouldn't mind seeing them strike an uneasy alliance throughout the film, but by the end it all falls apart and we the get one grand mano e mano. Reconciliation could come in Justice League.

I know it probably won't go down that way, but the way I see it they have the main event of the century on their hands here. I'd hate to see it limited to some quarreling and grudge matches in Acts 1 and 2. I'd love to see the movie build and build and then finally erupt in an Act 3 mega showdown with a lot riding on it.

I know this won't even be close to a TDKReturns adaptation, but still feel it can take a page from that book in setting the stage for an epic encounter between the two.

 

[747]

There were only 3 years between Keaton and Kilmer...

Wouldn't say that's the same. Forever was way more of a sequel to Returns than a reboot.