The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 148

[Kane52630]

That gif is how I feel every time I see people on here ranking something like the Chris O'Donnell Robin over Blake. There is a point when whining becomes trolling. We crossed it months and months ago.

But what if they legitimately put O'Donnell over Blake? Surely it can't be "trolling."

Spoiler

 

[Travesty]

Nah, bro. It has to be trolling. Opinions don't matter in this case.

Robin John Blake for life!

 

[StarLord]

Nah, bro. It has to be trolling. Opinions don't matter in this case.

Robin John Blake for life!

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Travesty is freaking hilarious.

If you consider ad-nauseam variations of the same joke funny, sure.

 

[Travesty]

 

[The Batman]

lmao

If you consider ad-nauseam variations of the same joke funny, sure.

I'm loving how the only people who have problems with Travesty's posts happen to be the same guys who've been TDKR over the past year.

 

[shauner111]

Oh sometimes i genuinely laugh my ass off at Trav. He's a funny dude. But sometimes he'll say the same jokes over and over, especially with Blake (even though i find his avatar good). It gets old when you say the same joke over & over.

If you consider ad-nauseam variations of the same joke funny, sure.

That gif is how I feel every time I see people on here ranking something like the Chris O'Donnell Robin over Blake. There is a point when whining becomes trolling. We crossed it months and months ago.

I can hug you two right now.

 

[Shikamaru]

That gif is how I feel every time I see people on here ranking something like the Chris O'Donnell Robin over Blake. There is a point when whining becomes trolling. We crossed it months and months ago.

I would rank Batman Forever's Robin over Blake.

 

[shauner111]

Sure, if you're usually a fan of Grayson-Robin in the first place. The origin (even though O'Donnell was a little old) worked. It was done well. If you made him younger and made it Tony Zucco who kills his family instead of Two-Face, then it's accurate. Take that away and it still works. The changes weren't a big deal. Those early scenes with Bruce and Dick were fine. But it's my taste only when i say that i didnt like his Robin. As soon as he puts on that suit i stop caring, and just roll my eyes, as i always do when a boy wonder/teenage Robin is on screen being a pain in the ass.

O'Donnell was good casting though.

There's no denying that Robin is important to the history, and that's why i enjoyed the nod at the end of Rises. But im happy it didn't go further. I've just never been a fan of Robin as we see him in the comics or animation. Once that suit goes on, it's just not for me.

 

[shauner111]

The little boy Grayson origin could have worked very well with Bale. But beyond that? Gross. Bale and Nolan wanted no part of that. It leads to too many sequels and distracts from it being a Batman story or the Batman-Gordon relationship. Sooner than later the tone gets lighter too.

 

[Schrute]

"Robin" John Blake, who in a comic book film, A COMIC BOOK FILM actually says "When you started, why the mask"? IS a character to have an issue with, and it's not just trolling.

This kid who has magic bones and stuff, who has 3 scenes with Bruce until Bruce gives him the cave, actually asked our Hero why he wore a freaking mask in a Comic Book Film.

 

[The Joker]

I would rank Batman Forever's Robin over Blake.

So would I. If we count Blake as a Robin then he is my least favorite.

I dislike how he learned Batman's identity (one of the stupidest scenes I've ever seen). How he was just handed the legacy when Bruce barely knew him and unlike with Harvey Dent didn't get him to do anything to prove he was worthy of being Batman's successor as Gotham's hero. I think most of his scenes were a drag in the movie. Him and the orphans really distracted from the action of the final showdown with Batman and Bane.

 

[shauner111]

You call it stupid, i call it a beautiful scene. It's all good. I liked his scenes with the orphans too. Again, for somebody like me who doesn't care about a traditional Robin, i appreciated the nod. He is their Robin, but at the same time he's not Robin at all. Im OK with that.

 

[Thoix]

I enjoyed every minute of JGL/John Blake. I honestly have no problems with him. Hell, he's my favorite Robin. I have never been the biggest fan of any other Robin before him.

 

[Travesty]

The Forever Robin knew how to do laundry like a ninja! What could Robin John Blake do? Get all pouty about killing someone with a gun, while tossing his gun away, and then picking up a new gun 30 seconds later? Forever Robin had acrobatic skills. Robin John Blake has face skills.

Forever Robin, yo! 4 life!!!

 

[shauner111]

He's their version of Robin, so why are you comparing him to the Robins of the comics. Which for the most part is what Forever-Robin was based off of. He had acrobatic skills? Well yeah because he was in the circus, because he is a part of the Grayson family. Blake is not Dick Grayson, so why would he have acrobatic skills before even meeting the Batman?

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

I didn't mind john blake being shown the successor of batman
if only it was jason or tim then would have been a different thing

 

[Shikamaru]

"Robin" John Blake, who in a comic book film, A COMIC BOOK FILM actually says "When you started, why the mask"? IS a character to have an issue with, and it's not just trolling.

This kid who has magic bones and stuff, who has 3 scenes with Bruce until Bruce gives him the cave, actually asked our Hero why he wore a freaking mask in a Comic Book Film.

I didn't have a problem with that. The question is a classic superhero troupe you hear a lot in superhero stories.

What I did have a problem with is Bruce's answer. "To protect the people close to me." Except that's not really the main reason he put on a mask in the first place. It was to be more than just a man - something larger than life - something meant to strike fear in the hearts of criminals in a way that just a man wouldn't. That's the main reason why he put on the mask in the first place. Was the reason he gave Blake a reason? Yes, it was definitely part of the equation. But the way Bruce says it and the way that whole scene plays out, the movie acts as if it was the reason and that isn't true.

So would I. If we count Blake as a Robin then he is my least favorite.

I dislike how he learned Batman's identity (one of the stupidest scenes I've ever seen). How he was just handed the legacy when Bruce barely knew him and unlike with Harvey Dent didn't get him to do anything to prove he was worthy of being Batman's successor as Gotham's hero. I think most of his scenes were a drag in the movie. Him and the orphans really distracted from the action of the final showdown with Batman and Bane.

I agree. I know we sound like a broken record, but Blake and Talia should have been cut from the film entirely. Every time Blake was on screen, I thought "I really wanna get back to Batman and/or Gordon now." lol

 

[Travesty]

Alfred- why bats, Master Wayne?

Bruce-because, Alfred, I need to make a mask to protect the ones I love. And a bat sounds cool, so people won't see my faces and stuff.

 

[antsman41]

Atleast O'Donnel got to play Robin... in two badass outfits. ***** about the nipple all you want, but outside of that it's a great Nightwing adaption.

His Forever suit was sick, nice adult adaptation of a Robin outfit for the leather/rubber genre.

 

[The Shape]

I love Robin's suit in Batman & Robin. Truly badass. Shame it was wasted in that film.

 

[shauner111]

Atleast O'Donnel got to play Robin... in two badass outfits. ***** about the nipple all you want, but outside of that it's a great Nightwing adaption.

His Forever suit was sick, nice adult adaptation of a Robin outfit for the leather/rubber genre.

Poor guy.

 

[Shikamaru]

Robin is a badass.

 

[DACrowe]

"Robin" John Blake, who in a comic book film, A COMIC BOOK FILM actually says "When you started, why the mask"? IS a character to have an issue with, and it's not just trolling.

This kid who has magic bones and stuff, who has 3 scenes with Bruce until Bruce gives him the cave, actually asked our Hero why he wore a freaking mask in a Comic Book Film.

Jameson asks why a mask in Spider-Man (2002). Alfred asks why bats in Batman Begins. I feel like someone asks about a mask in Batman (1989). Really that seems like an incessantly nitpicky point, considering a cop would wonder "why not try and motivate change publicly."

I am not saying you can't dislike the character, (though the only major issue tends to be he doesn't wear a mask and is not named Dick).

...But if you can tell me with a straight face that you prefer THIS:

Then yes, I think you're just looking for reasons to complain about The Dark Knight Rises. And you are stretching pretty far at that point.

 

[milost]

I wasn't trolling when I said O' Donnel was a better Robin character. I meant it. Not the one above though, but this one,

There's a difference, and yes, I am posting this with a straight face. O' Donnell's scenes of relating to Bruce and wanting him to train him with that cocky attitude was better than what they did with Blake, by far. When he's punching the **** out of Batman, releasing his anger, I bought him more as an orphan feeling pain than "teh bones" speech. So there.


I didn't even say I thought he was the best either. The animated series and Burt Ward versions are.