The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 149

[I Am The Knight]

It looked too much like a movie set.

That seems to be a common complaint, and I definitely can see that, but I thought it worked really well.

 

[Kane52630]

I didn't mind either movie's location...but I do prefer BB. It's got a more comic feel from the Narrows to the secret Wayne Manor entrance to Arkham and everything inbetween. I wish we had more of that but more outlandish.

 

[titansupes]

One of my--relatively few--gripes with Nolan's Batverse is how Gotham is a bland and generic big city.

The only part of it that feels like comic Gotham to me is the Narrows, and they ignore the Narrows after Begins.

Could not disagree more with that. My problem with the Burton Gotham (while I can still basically enjoy them) and BB version (to a lesser extent) is that it feels a little 'grimdark'. It's trying too hard to be scary and edgy or what have you. All the smoke and grime and twisted buildings... It's just comes across as false and outdated. Like a teenagers version of Gotham. And, it felt too enclosed/set-like.

I was incredibly happy watching TDK the first time (for many reasons) when I saw that the city had changed to large, clean skyscrapers etc. Then the tone of the story really was able to shine through. The fact that it looked so nice, yet had danger lurking around every corner, in 'every part of its infrastructure' made it much more real and unsettling for me. And of course, it just looked better.

Also worth noting, the large spires and smoke/grime etc. aren't really Gotham's default state in the comics. For decades it was portrayed as very much a real city, New York/Chicago like. It was only after Burton/Furst influenced it that Gotham morphed. Even then, it hasn't been a default look, it changes based on the writers/artists at the time.

EDIT: That said, I was disappointed in what we saw of MoS's Metropolis (so far).

 

[BatLobster]

I really think from this point on, not shooting on location for a Batman film would be a step backwards. Now, mixing in some soundstages like they did for the Narrows is cool, but there's just no way you can ever build a set large enough to use for an entire movie without repeating locations and making Gotham feel smaller, like in the Burton films. Location shooting in a real city just gives the proper sense of scope, and I agree with titansupes, it adds to the stakes and gravity of the story.

The other solution is going green screen heavy, but that has its drawbacks too. You can simulate the feel of a bigger city by incorporating green screen elements with a built set, but you still can't shoot the types of massive chase scenes we got in the trilogy on a soundstage.

So, I'm fine with using sets, I think Anton Furst was brilliant and all, but I do hope that future Batman directors will continue to incorporate location shooting in the future.

 

[Travesty]

I like what they did with MOS. It looked like a modern city, but it wasn't familiar, at all. If they do that with the new Gotham, while making it look a little more decrepit, I think it'll be fine. TDK didn't even try to hide that it was filmed in Chicago. It wasn't even masked. As long as it's masked, it'll be a step in the right direction.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think Snyder will definitely add some "flair" to his Gotham. Hopefully he will go for an "old" city vibe.

 

[Tequilla]

Most movie sets that try to replicate cities , just end up with this very goofy/fake pastiche look. Not even Begins can't escape that. Narrows looks smallish. Looks cornered. Looks like a warehouse.

Burton's Gotham looks like a backyard or something.

 

[Shikamaru]

I like what they did with MOS. It looked like a modern city, but it wasn't familiar, at all. If they do that with the new Gotham, while making it look a little more decrepit, I think it'll be fine. TDK didn't even try to hide that it was filmed in Chicago. It wasn't even masked. As long as it's masked, it'll be a step in the right direction.

MOS had an actual city in it?!

 

[GremlinZilla89]

I like what they did with MOS. It looked like a modern city, but it wasn't familiar, at all. If they do that with the new Gotham, while making it look a little more decrepit, I think it'll be fine. TDK didn't even try to hide that it was filmed in Chicago. It wasn't even masked. As long as it's masked, it'll be a step in the right direction.

Bingo. Agreed completely.

 

[The Joker]

Burton's Gotham looks like a backyard or something.

Well Returns more so I'd say. It's like most of Gotham City consists of Gotham Plaza in that movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Even in Batman 89 it seemed like everything happened on the same street (the opening where Batman is introduced, the murder of the Waynes, the Batmobile chase, the parade).

 

[Travesty]

Well Returns more so I'd say. It's like most of Gotham City consists of Gotham Plaza in that movie.

And every citizen in Gotham was issued a VW Jetta.

 

[DACrowe]

Even in Batman 89 it seemed like everything happened on the same street (the opening where Batman is introduced, the murder of the Waynes, the Batmobile chase, the parade).

But the street is so busy, in a good way, and has so many angles that you only catch on if you watch the movie many, many times. Otherwise, it feels bigger than it is.

 

[Green Goblin]

I personally like the "Gotham out of time feel"

It's got futuristic elements like neon skyscrappers but it's still Gothic/Victorian inspired architecture.

Yes... as much as people bring up the Arkham series, its a great adaption of Batman and I love the Retro-Futuristic vibes it has.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah, they pretty much nailed that look. It would look great in live action.

 

[Travesty]

I agree, it's a great Gotham.

 

[bilbo baggins]

been reading tale of 2 citys and trying to see how much of it is in this film. besides banes fake revolution and gordons eulogy and other minor things. you have 2 characters in syndney carlton and charles darnay if memory serves correct. darnay has a deep secret that he has tried to hide which could cost him his life, and carlton who is his lawyer and a depressed alcoholic. darnay is set to marry a woman who carlton also has feelings for. oh and they look very similar to each other. carlton knows darnay is innocent and the night before darnays execution carlton switches places with him and dies. he sacrifices himself so darnay can live his life. so this begs the question,is batman carlton? is bruce darnay?? i would appreciate any feedback.

 

[Green Goblin]

Manhattan is not a dark grimy hell hole where every subway has faulty desaturated lights, and every street corner is an underlie haven for shadows and thugs. As I recall, Peter Parker just wanders down select alley ways and finds gangs of thugs ready to kill him when he is searching for Ben's killer. There is plenty of crime in New York. But TASM has a touch of urban nihilism to it, which is not unlike the neo-oir films (including Nolan's own Memento and traces of which appear in Batman Begins, but extends far more to countless other filmmakers going back to Chinatown in the 1970s). It depicts urban lifestyle as a crumbling visage of decay upon which misery is found.

I am not calling TASM noir, but it has traces of it. It depicts New York as a grimy, post-indutstrial, scary place. That comes from trying to evoke a certain image that really doe not gel with the Spidey character of the comics.

At night it's colourful as f***! Even big, bad scary Oscorp looks pretty,

Suit looks very nice in this shot, I'd have loved it if it had bright colours like that.

I do not see what's so bad about having the Uncle Ben's killer scene at night in ark ally's. That is were crime mostly takes place. In SM1 when Peter "torments" his killer it's in a dark warehouse and when Mary Jane is about to get raped it's at night in a dark alleyway.

As I have and many others in this thread night time TASM was not noirish and no more so than Raimi's first Spider-Man film. For a contrast, see the Arkham city Gotham picture I have posted on this page.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

At night it's colourful as f***! Even big, bad scary Oscorp looks pretty,

Suit looks very nice in this shot, I'd have loved it if it had bright colours like that.

I do not see what's so bad about having the Uncle Ben's killer scene at night in ark ally's. That is were crime mostly takes place. In SM1 when Peter "torments" his killer it's in a dark warehouse and when Mary Jane is about to get raped it's at night in a dark alleyway.

As I have and many others in this thread night time TASM was not noirish and no more so than Raimi's first Spider-Man film. For a contrast, see the Arkham city Gotham picture I have posted on this page.

Goddamn, this is a sexy looking movie. Underrated visually imo.

 

[Kane52630]

If only the movie was worth remembering.

 

[The Joker]

I personally like the "Gotham out of time feel"

It's got futuristic elements like neon skyscrappers but it's still Gothic/Victorian inspired architecture.

Yes... as much as people bring up the Arkham series, its a great adaption of Batman and I love the Retro-Futuristic vibes it has.

That was a great Gotham, and even with it being walled off into a prison it still felt like a big open city. I love the Gotham in Origins, too.

 

[Green Goblin]

That was a great Gotham, and even with it being walled off into a prison it still felt like a big open city. I love the Gotham in Origins, too.

I actually thought Arkham Origins was better because of the Christmas setting. The warm,festive,happy decorations and lights was an excellent juxtaposition to the dark,gloomy "noir" feel of Gotham City.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Guess I will need to play Origins.

 

[bilbo baggins]

Guess I will need to play Origins.

definitly! especially if your a batfan. it even has multiplayer

 

[I Am The Knight]

definitly! especially if your a batfan. it even has multiplayer

I was turned off by some of the reviews, but I keep hearing the story is really good.