The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - Part 153

[Travesty]

He's driving an Infinity G35 with a Vaydor body kit on it.

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[shauner111]

Probably a damaged one

 

[Kane52630]

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/119650642149/batman-quotes-batman-begins

 

[I Am The Knight]

That's badass.

 

[JackWhite]

That's badass.

Very bad ass, indeed!

I was browsing TDKR through google and came across a website offering a fan edit of the film. They have a list of all the cut dialogue and or scenes from the film, and even have an edit of the final montage of the film.

I'm pretty sure no one here has seen this, but it's intriguing, in a morbidly curious kind of way. I was surprised to see them shave off pretty much a half hour of the film. And if the film couldn't get any bleaker; they cut all of the jokes out of the film, lol.

http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/c...nfix/1055-the-dark-knight-saga-recut-part-iii

 

[BatLobster]

They killed Bruce? I call bull**** on this fanedit!

In all honesty though I tend to not care for fanedits in concept. They're interesting experiments but that's all. I feel like at best they can do a pretty seamless job of removing a Jar Jar fart joke, and worst they're hijacking a movie's sense of authorship and you can notice all the shoddy patchwork.

If you watch it though, curious to see what you think Jack as I know the pace of Act 2 is a big issue for you.

 

[shauner111]

Meh, that ending sucked.

 

[Snow Queen]

This fan edit sounds pretty bad, just reading the changes.

 

[hafizbat]

 

[ThePhantasm]

That fan edit cut the "you're in a for a show tonight, son" line? Booooo

 

[The Shape]

No jokes allowed.

 

[Panthro]

Nice

 

[JackWhite]

That's amazing. I would have loved an HBO animated series based off the Nolan-verse.

 

[Travesty]

But I thought Robin John Blake hated guns?

 

[JackWhite]

But I thought Robin John Blake hated guns?

 

[The Joker]

That's awesome

 

[Marvolo]

Very bad ass, indeed!

I was browsing TDKR through google and came across a website offering a fan edit of the film. They have a list of all the cut dialogue and or scenes from the film, and even have an edit of the final montage of the film.

I'm pretty sure no one here has seen this, but it's intriguing, in a morbidly curious kind of way. I was surprised to see them shave off pretty much a half hour of the film. And if the film couldn't get any bleaker; they cut all of the jokes out of the film, lol.

http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/c...nfix/1055-the-dark-knight-saga-recut-part-iii

Much preferred that ending to the one we got in the official cut, and the editor actually did a great job rebuilding the audio mix. If someone hadn't seen the theatrical cut they'd never know anything was missing.

 

[Snow Queen]

I have to laugh that some complain about Nolan films not having enough humour (I think there's just the right amount for the material but that's just me)...then someone makes a cut of the film removing the humour.

 

[shauner111]

How can you remove the "jokes". Without a little bit of humor, there's no balance. Did they remove some of the Fox/Bruce or Alfred/Bruce dialogue?? Or even Selina? You cant do that. That strips away the personality of those characters. Taking away that line from Miller DKReturns, i imagine that could ruin the flow of that scene. Maybe not, but it sounds like a very odd choice.

I saw the clip of the ending. Im not bashing the editing. But it's just not my cup of tea seeing this movie without Bruce at the end. That's the whole PUNCH of that ending. The gut punch. I've said it before, but without that shot of Bruce/Alfred, i would have really disliked the ending of Rises. Which means i probably would be talking s**t about this movie to this day.

 

[Greens]

I think we can call this the "stick in the mud" fan-edit.

"Cut Star Spangled banner before football match."

Why???

 

[the5timechamp]

In that GIF of Batman fighting Bane's men and the guy falling down (which is still easily one of my favourite fights in the trilogy... Bats destroys those guys, Blake's in awe, the 'missed a spot' kick, the uniqueness of KFM etc) I always assumed they left out a gunshot sound effect - Batman kicks the goons hand, and the hand consequently swings around and the gun goes off, hitting that guy. I feel like that's what happened.

My new accepted version of events..thanks...

 

[ThePhantasm]

 

[Panthro]

 

[Malicked]

Earlier I re-watched TDK for the first time since 2012 (which is a long gap considering how much I was re-watching this film several times a year before then). But one thing I never understood and still don't is the common held complaint that Batman is sidelined throughout the movie because of The Joker. I know even Joss Whedon said it's a 'flaw' in the film. Now the film isn't 100% perfect (very few if any are) but Batman being 'sidelined' isn't one of the problems. If anyone gets the short shrift, it's Bruce Wayne in order to pave way for Harvey Dent whose personal tragic story is the backbone of the film. But overall it's still that elemental conflict between Batman and The Joker fighting over Gotham, personified by Dent. The Joker himself admits he is what he is BECAUSE of Batman. It's one part of Nolan's storytelling funnily enough that I don't think he received enough credit for. In that respect I wouldn't change TDK.

Batman Begins has Batman in it but it's Bruce Wayne's journey that's at the forefront of the story. TDK has Bruce Wayne in it but it's Batman that's under the spotlight. Rises returns to Bruce's inner turmoil. I think I would've been disappointed if Nolan had made another Bruce Wayne centric film right after Begins.

I wonder what people's thoughts here are on that complaint that TDK isn't a Batman movie.

 

[The Joker]

I've always shot down the assertion it wasn't a Batman movie, or Batman was irrelevant, or he didn't get any development, or any cool scenes, or any of the other ridiculous criticisms haters made against it.

He learns what his limits are, what Batman can endure both personally and symbolically, he learns about the nature of criminals like the Joker (and actually learns from his encounter with the Joker to face him again, like by the finale he sees right through the Prewitt building set up as not being what it seems - "It's not that simple. With the Joker it never is"). And yes, his selfless sacrifice at the end when he learns Batman can be what ever Gotham needs him to be. Compare that to Bruce at the beginning of the movie who arrogantly thinks Batman has no limits. Bruce's growth in this movie was learning what they are, what he can and cannot endure, and learning about the terrible nature of freaks like the Joker whom are a reaction to his presence in Gotham just like the copycats. TDK was a real eye opener for Bruce and what exactly the effects of Batman are on himself and on Gotham.

He has tons of great scenes. His take down of Scarecrow and the imposter Batmen in the parking garage. Abducting Lau from China. Kicking ass in Maroni's club and dropping Maroni off the fire escape. The whole Joker truck chase he was bad ass with many cool moments like taking out the garbage truck, birth of the Bat-Pod, and flipping over Joker's truck. The Prewitt building scene is probably the coolest Batman has ever been on film taking out two SWAT teams, Joker's men, and protecting the hostages, too.
There was a great mix of funny and serious Bruce Wayne scenes, too, like the aftermath of Rachel's death where he's quietly mourning her with Alfred - they did a great mirror image of the childhood Bruce mourning his parents there where Alfred comes in, says something about food, Bruce ignores him, Alfred says "Very well" and goes to leave and then Bruce calls him back. All the playboy Bruce stuff was gold. Seeing Bruce use the daylight hours effectively as Bruce by staking out Loeb's funeral, and following Gordon and Reese and having Alfred run a check on all the Cops he recognizes (love that Bruce knows many of the Cops by name) etc.

Bale's performance, and the character in the movie, is often underrated. Take him out of the movie and there is no movie. Everything that happens in it is because of Batman and his presence in Gotham. It's basically an examination of the consequences of Batman on Gotham.