The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - Part 153

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People can diss the voice and the suit all they want, Bale's Bruce Wayne will always be the gold standard to me because he A. he was physically suited for the role, and B. he showed a lot of range, and really nailed the balancing act of playing all these different facets of Wayne. He had the anger and determination in spades, he was able to effortlessly portray 'damaged goods'. But at the same time, he had likability and genuine warmth and compassion, you could tell he was a man driven by dark and tragic things but had found a purpose and was trying to achieve a better tomorrow for his city. He wasn't flat out crazy, but he was driven and obsessed to the point of near absurdity and had to portray that all within a more 'realistic' setting, and Bale made all of that feel psychologically credible. He captured the soul of the character...better yet he captured it three times during three distinct stages of Bruce's life and gave three different performances to reflect that, but the character felt consistent all the way through.

I think perhaps people take his Bruce Wayne for granted because Bale is such a good actor and has done more flashy performances, but honestly he brought a tremendous amount to the role by sheer virtue of the whole "Christian Bale package" he inherently brought to it. Though I do think he cared a lot about the role and was never phoning it in, despite what people say about TDK.

This is late as I don’t visit this thread much, but that was spot on. :up:

It’s amazing how people have such criticism for his interpretation, they just focus on the voice. If people are going to focus on a voice, then why not apply the same criticism to the other Batman portrayals?

Bale is either right under or equal to Conroy in terms of being Batman, IMO.
 
People can diss the voice and the suit all they want, Bale's Bruce Wayne will always be the gold standard to me because he A. he was physically suited for the role, and B. he showed a lot of range, and really nailed the balancing act of playing all these different facets of Wayne. He had the anger and determination in spades, he was able to effortlessly portray 'damaged goods'. But at the same time, he had likability and genuine warmth and compassion, you could tell he was a man driven by dark and tragic things but had found a purpose and was trying to achieve a better tomorrow for his city. He wasn't flat out crazy, but he was driven and obsessed to the point of near absurdity and had to portray that all within a more 'realistic' setting, and Bale made all of that feel psychologically credible. He captured the soul of the character...better yet he captured it three times during three distinct stages of Bruce's life and gave three different performances to reflect that, but the character felt consistent all the way through.

I think perhaps people take his Bruce Wayne for granted because Bale is such a good actor and has done more flashy performances, but honestly he brought a tremendous amount to the role by sheer virtue of the whole "Christian Bale package" he inherently brought to it. Though I do think he cared a lot about the role and was never phoning it in, despite what people say about TDK.

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We're nearing the 10-year anniversary of Batman Begins (June 15).

Here's an article about the movie's legacy: On BATMAN BEGINS At 10

I liked this part:

Fans weren't sure if Nolan would come back to continue where The Dark Knightleft off—or if it* even needed continuing—but Nolan found a fitting conclusion to Bruce Wayne's story with The Dark Knight Rises. Although the conclusion to the Batman trilogy suffers from the dreaded escalation of doom that marks most sequels, the importance of Bruce/Batman's evolution was not lost. Rises wasn't a cash grab, but the chance to complete the character arc that Nolan had started in 2005 with Batman Begins.

When we meet Bruce as the film begins he is quite different from where we last left him. Dejected by the shame of what has become of his city, Bruce uses the newly constructed Wayne Manor to make himself a recluse. Batman took the blame for the murders Harvey committed to preserve Dent's reputation as the savior Gotham needed to turn the corner, yet what came from Dent's legacy is not what Gordon or Bruce expected. Gotham, eight years after the events of The Dark Knight, is a borderline police-state. Blackgate prison is filled with those that Dent tried in court, but terrorists roam the streets of the city, and class warfare threatens to tear everything else apart. When a threat arises that he can't ignore, Bruce dons the Batsuit one more time.

Fortunately, for all of the heightened stakes that too often take up running time in big-budget sequels, Nolan and co. don't lose sight of Bruce's arc. In a move that mirrored Batman Begins, Nolan subverts expectations by taking Bruce out of the cape and cowl for a majority of the film. A bold choice for a sequel to one of the most profitable films of all-time, but one necessary to bucking the template of superhero trilogies that had been frequented so often. Previous trilogies involving Superman, Spider-man and the previous iterations of Batman weren't really connected in any way with the exception of the cast and a blueprint laid out by the studios. The number of villains increases, the destruction is hiked up to global calamity, and then the hero saves the day and gets ready for the next movie in two years. What Christopher Nolan gave audiences with the conclusion of The Dark Knight Rises and, with that, the end of the trilogy, is a self-contained series that doesn't necessarily give fans what they want, but exactly what they need.

Batman didn't place trust in the hands of others, but to overtake Bane, he relinquished his burden to Lucius Fox, Commissioner Gordon and Selina Kyle and, in doing so, managed to create the vision of Gotham that his parents envisioned long ago. For so long Batman was resigned to unchanging stasis that left the character without closure for almost a hundred years. By not rigidly adhering to what stories have come before, Rises offers something unique for moviegoers to witness: A Batman who could walk away when the job was finished.
 
10 years. Time has just....flown by, hasn't it?

Such a unexpectedly exciting time when BB first came out. Brilliant start to a brilliant trilogy.
 
10 years. I feel old. I remember seeing it for the first time like it was yesterday. The two things that stuck out to me the most was that Batman/Bruce was the main focus of the story, and that Gordon had an actual personality and important role in the story.

Quite a stark difference to what we were used to in the previous Batman movies.
 
Surprisingly, I remember feeling numb the first time I watched it. But that's because the script had leaked and I read it. At time, it felt like the filmed scenes weren't as awesome as I had imagined them while reading the script.

It was on the second viewing that I "got it". I loved the film the more I watched, while with other reboot CBM's the opposite happened. It's Still one of the top Batfilms. I have to roll my eyes at the Bale backlash, because the reaction to his casting was one of the most joyous things I'd seen on the Hype. And After BB, he was considered THE live action Dark Knight.

My only real problem with the film is how the fight scenes were edited. It only really worked for me when Batman beat up the thugs at the docks.
 
Wow, 10 years. I remember it so clearly as well. I was there for the midnight showing. Theater was barely half-full. Last time that happened for a Nolan Bat-film midnight showing lol

So obviously the people that were there were all fans. There was a very subdued atmosphere though, everyone was very quiet, no applause when the WB logo came up, no fanboy giddiness. It was like everyone was just quietly hoping the movie wouldn't suck. When the movie ended, we all erupted in applause and there was just so much palpable excitement about the Joker tease. I worked in a movie theater that summer, and I'd always poke my head in for theater checks towards the end of the movie. That Joker card reveal always got a reaction, and people always walked out of the movie so clearly excited about the possibilities of the new Batman franchise.

Man, good times. I can't say the movie was a huge surprise that came out of nowhere for me because I followed the movie's production from day 1 and knew that Nolan was a filmmaker to watch, but I really envy people who had that cold turkey experience of going in with no idea of what to expect. I didn't read the script leak though, so I did find the non-linear approach to the origin to be SO refreshing and it really sucked me into the movie right way. That first hour really did manage to exceed my expectations, even though I went in expecting a good movie. It was just incredible that it felt entirely like a "real movie" and was playing everything so straight. It was one thing to hear about that approach but another to actually see it playing out before you with all these incredible actors giving such sincere performances, and real world scope and locations that you'd never seen in a Batman film before. Man, it's so easy to take it all for granted now. It really felt like a revolution at the time.

I did think then, and still do that the third act climax lets the movie down a bit and feels kind of like a different movie, but it's never been a dealbreaker. This was a movie that was very easy for me to just fall in love with. It was a great time to be a Batman fan, especially because the public hadn't fully caught on yet. The movie was like our little baby.
 
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I knew almost nothing about Begins going into it. Didn't follow the production and didn't know who Nolan or Bale were (I was 14, forgive me). As soon as the wing-flap motif thumped with the opening studio logos and the screen swooshed with the symbol made up of swarming bats I knew I was in for something very different and special. I think out the three films Begins has actually been the most influential. It basically started the trend of the gritty reboot, antecedent to all the examples we now have, including DC's own cinematic universe. Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, even James Bond owe it to Begins for doing it first.
 

This scene is a great example of the craziness of the Joker. He doesn't care about normal things like money. To him it's boring, and just a means to an end. He would be happy with just a few bucks to buy his dynamite and gasoline lol.

Every time I watch this scene I remember what Gary Oldman said about Joker in one of his interviews; "Here we're dealing with a villain who breaks into the bank, steals the money, and then burns the money. How do you anticipate someone like that?".
 
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I've always loved how that scene combined the idea from The Long Halloween of burning a huge pile of mob money, with one of the most "Jokery" things we'd never seen The Joker do before- slide down a huge pile of money and then burn it up (and Lau lol).

Fire is a great recurring motif in the trilogy.
 
The best part of that scene that ALWAYS makes me laugh my ass off, is when Joker throws a stack of bills at Lau's head and f**king clocks him right in the temple.

If that scene isn't the perfect representation of Joker, i just don't know what is. He's hilarious, evil, his entire belief system is laid out, the full get-up. It's perfection.
 
^lol, it was pretty unexpected too. He was totally having a blast causing so much chaos and damage to the city.
 
Yeah that bit is great haha. The devil is really in the details when it comes to these movies. So many little brilliant moments.
 
That moment never fails to make me laugh either lol! Also when The Joker comes out of nowhere and shoots that cop just before that famous truck/Swat/Tumbler/Batpod chase was a holy crap moment, when I first saw that I thought my heart would jump out. A total and utter anarchist.
 
I only saw Begins until 2007 when it premiered on television here in the UK. I wasn't that interested in movies in general like I am now (though I REALLY adored the Keaton/Burton movies). I was merely like oh OK, they're showing the new Batman movie. No idea who this cast is except fo maybe Morgan Freeman. By the time the credits rolled the first thing that I had taken in before anything else was that this was a great FILM with emotionally engaging characters.
 
I only saw Begins until 2007 when it premiered on television here in the UK. I wasn't that interested in movies in general like I am now (though I REALLY adored the Keaton/Burton movies). I was merely like oh OK, they're showing the new Batman movie. No idea who this cast is except fo maybe Morgan Freeman. By the time the credits rolled the first thing that I had taken in before anything else was that this was a great FILM with emotionally engaging characters.

Yea, my cousin is almost never interested in action/blockbuster type films, but when she finally watched TDKT last year she really liked it for the same reason - emotionally engaging characters.
 
I only saw Begins until 2007 when it premiered on television here in the UK. I wasn't that interested in movies in general like I am now (though I REALLY adored the Keaton/Burton movies). I was merely like oh OK, they're showing the new Batman movie. No idea who this cast is except fo maybe Morgan Freeman. By the time the credits rolled the first thing that I had taken in before anything else was that this was a great FILM with emotionally engaging characters.
You're from the UK and you never heard of Michael Caine before 2007? SHAME ON YOU! :yay:
 
You're from the UK and you never heard of Michael Caine before 2007? SHAME ON YOU! :yay:
LOL him too, can't believe I forgot about him since the broadcasters here often played The Italian Job religiously!
 
When he mimics him and says "Farrrreeeek" I laugh out loud every time, no matter how many times I've watched TDK.

Also, the more time passes the more I feel like BB is the most rewatchable, most "Batman" movie of the trilogy. I love them all equally, but if I could only watch one for the rest of my life it would probably be BB. In fact, anytime someone disses Bale, he should just go watch BB because that movie shows how perfect the casting was.
 
For me TDK is probably still the most 'rewatchable', though I've seen BB and TDK the exact same time (and Rises has almost caught up too). BB and TDKR have the best character development for Bruce but TDK for me is still the ultimate live action Batman/Joker tale with that tragic Harvey Dent storyline at the heart of the script and Batman having to make an impossible decision at the end. Great stuff.

I always got the impression that Nolan wanted a more 'human' portrayal of Batman for the sequels, that he probably asked Bale to play him nore naturally. I don't think there is the same pretense of having such controlled shots of Batman in BB than there is in TDK/TDKR. Batman isn't portrayed as in such a 'cool' light in the sequels as he was in BB. And in the sequels Batman is actually given more legitimate dialogue than just the cool one liners like 'Do I look like a cop?' and 'I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you'. And Bale has the difficult task of having to deliver his lines (often mini speeches) in that controversial voice.
 
BB is the most rewatchable. Its pure popcorn fun.

TDK is good when you want something more stirring, with really powerful imagery and great character performances.

TDKR is great if you have insomnia and want to fall asleep.
 
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