The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

BatLobster said:
Uhh guys...a lot of points raised here are giving me deja vu for the exact convo we just recently had here.


Tom Hardy’s Batman Villain Bane Is More Relevant Today Than 10 Years Ago

Just sayin'...I wonder if Den of Geek reads this thread. :oldrazz:
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great article, and pretty scary too in that last paragraph with the real life comparisons. I will say I find it a bit annoying how many people these days try to tear down Hardys Bane as being "not comic accurate" while completely ignoring how well written and acted this version is. Hardys Bane is one of the best villain performances for me, and while Ledgers Joker is more legendary, this version of Bane still managed to accomplish everything he was supposed to as a physical threat for Batman. That sewer fight between Batman and Bane remains one of the most effective scenes in a comic book film. The lack of music, and the sounds of Batman screaming as he tried to defeat an unstoppable force remains a perfect example of why this version of Bane is so effective.

I don't know, maybe it's me, but none of the comic book villains since then have really struck me as much. Loki? He was a cool villain, but I also think any sort of menace he had wore off quickly. Thanos? Badass, but I feel like that's more on the use of the gauntlet/infinity stones rather than the performance alone, even though I think it's good. Riddler? Really menacing at first, and then becoming dramatic to the point where it was funny/cringe.
 
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A Critical Reevaluation of ‘The Dark Knight Rises,’ 10 Years Later

"The final entry of Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy was reviewed decently upon release, but with time it’s developed a slight but unmistakable air of disfavor..."

What is with the revisionist history that surrounds this film?

The amount of articles or videos that remark that the film "polarized critics and reviewers/was tepidly received" is ridiculously high.

Yes, 87% critic and 90% audience score is..decent, I guess. /s

When every single metric of gauging reception is overwhelmingly positive, why is the metric 'decent reviews' when any other film would be labeled acclaimed or very positively received?

Nothing wrong with taking the film to task if someone feels it should be.

But can we be accurate about the film's success?

Feels like they need to paint it as a failure or letdown to the masses to bolster their opinion.
 
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OnLeatherWings said:
A Critical Reevaluation of ‘The Dark Knight Rises,’ 10 Years Later

"The final entry of Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy was reviewed decently upon release, but with time it’s developed a slight but unmistakable air of disfavor..."

What is with the revisionist history that surrounds this film?

The amount of articles or videos that remark that the film "polarized critics and reviewers/was tepidly received" is ridiculously high.

Yes, 87% critic and 90% audience score is..decent, I guess. /s

When every single metric of gauging reception is overwhelmingly positive, why is the metric 'decent reviews' when any other film would be labeled acclaimed or very positively received?

Nothing wrong with taking the film to task if someone feels it should be.

But can we be accurate about the film's success?

Feels like they need to paint it as a failure or letdown to the masses to bolster their opinion.
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For some reason I think people wanted to paint as a failure or letdown to bolster Avengers.
 
Gothamsknight said:
great article, and pretty scary too in that last paragraph with the real life comparisons. I will say I find it a bit annoying how many people these days try to tear down Hardys Bane as being "not comic accurate" while completely ignoring how well written and acted this version is. Hardys Bane is one of the best villain performances for me, and while Ledgers Joker is more legendary, this version of Bane still managed to accomplish everything he was supposed to as a physical threat for Batman. That sewer fight between Batman and Bane remains one of the most effective scenes in a comic book film. The lack of music, and the sounds of Batman screaming as he tried to defeat an unstoppable force remains a perfect example of why this version of Bane is so effective.

I don't know, maybe it's me, but none of the comic book villains since then have really struck me as much. Loki? He was a cool villain, but I also think any sort of menace he had wore off quickly. Thanos? Badass, but I feel like that's more on the use of the gauntlet/infinity stones rather than the performance alone, even though I think it's good. Riddler? Really menacing at first, and then becoming dramatic to the point where it was funny/cringe.
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Yeah I'd say Riddler is the only that really matches for me in terms of relevance today how he's written and acted.

Riddler made me cringe alot but sadly I think it's plausible that such a clearly unhinged man child we see at the end would still have people following and emulating his with "the us vs them" tactics.


Both Bane and Riddler are relevant today but I'd be more scared of Bane personally.

I still think Rises was snubbed for best director.

Banes speeches combined with the performance end visuals still leave me breathless today.
 
OnLeatherWings said:
A Critical Reevaluation of ‘The Dark Knight Rises,’ 10 Years Later

"The final entry of Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy was reviewed decently upon release, but with time it’s developed a slight but unmistakable air of disfavor..."

What is with the revisionist history that surrounds this film?

The amount of articles or videos that remark that the film "polarized critics and reviewers/was tepidly received" is ridiculously high.

Yes, 87% critic and 90% audience score is..decent, I guess. /s

When every single metric of gauging reception is overwhelmingly positive, why is the metric 'decent reviews' when any other film would be labeled acclaimed or very positively received?

Nothing wrong with taking the film to task if someone feels it should be.

But can we be accurate about the film's success?

Feels like they need to paint it as a failure or letdown to the masses to bolster their opinion.
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It even has a 78/100 metascore, making it #7 highest rated superhero movie, if I'm not mistaken. And to this day it's both #3 superhero film ever and #70 film of all time in IMDB. But sure, it was "reviewed decently upon release" and it has developed an "air of disfavor" over the years. :whatever:
 
TDKR has always been well received. Great critical reception, box office, and audience scores. There's no stats anywhere that suggest the movie is even close to being divisive let alone have an "air of disfavor".
 
The Joker said:
TDKR has always been well received. Great critical reception, box office, and audience scores. There's no stats anywhere that suggest the movie is even close to being divisive let alone have an "air of disfavor".
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I've never met a single person in real life who doesn't love Rises.

It's the perfect conclusion to the dark knight trilogy.

It gets nit-picked to death on the internet with the most stupid arguments that don't even hold up after a little bit of critical thinking.


It remains my favorite Batman film well in conjunction with Knight and Begins.

The Dark Knight Triolgy as a whole remains my favorite take on Batman but Rises is the one I rewatch the most.
 
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Blade Hoarder said:
The last several minutes of Rises starting with Batman taking off with the bomb till the title card is cinematic perfection. True kino if you will.
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"I never cared who you are"



"And you were right "

"But shouldn't the people know the hero who saved them" ?

" A hero can be anyone even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat on a young boys shoulder to let him know the world hadn't ended"


Flashback to begins of Gordon comforting Bruce with the beautiful score

"Bruce Wayne" ?



This scene always gets me.
 
BMW 224 said:
"I never cared who you are"



"And you were right "

"But shouldn't the people know the hero who saved them" ?

" A hero can be anyone even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat on a young boys shoulder to let him know the world hadn't ended"


Flashback to begins of Gordon comforting Bruce with the beautiful score

"Bruce Wayne" ?



This scene always gets me.
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Even during the years when I grew resentful of the Dark Knight Trilogy, if I stumbled on this scene on YouTube, it would STILL make me tear up.
 
BatLobster said:
I think a fundamental difference between the two approaches, if you were to boil them down to fundamental questions is...

Nolan asked, can I make a movie that honors the source material while treating the genre seriously, and also make the most thrilling and entertaining experience possible for a wide audience?

With Reeves, it seems to be, can I make the truest and most psychological depiction and examination of Batman and Gotham within a film noir context?
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I'm not sure what was really noir-ish in TB, a lot of previous Batman versions have also very much, probably nearly as much, dealt with there being a lot of corruption in Gotham (though not to the extent of it involving Thomas) and that being a big part of why Batman is needed.
 
Thor Love And Thunder failing to outgross The Batman really does confirm my suspicion that The Batman was more liked and made a better impact than every comic book movie this year besides NWH by doing something different and being a fresh good start to be improved on while treating its characters earnestly building them up instead of having us laugh at there comedic bathos.

Feels over laughs triumphs again.

Brings me back to 2005 with the whole Batman Begins and Fantastic Four situation


History strangely repeats itself.




If Matt Reeves improves on some things for the second he could be my second favorite Batman take behind Nolan.
 
I complained a decent bit about it but it's still a one thumb up :up: on my scale...not every complaint is something wrong with the movie but a preference. This movie I really cut my teeth on here on this forum it's when I first started posting when it was being made.
 
One thing I underrated in this trilogy was the score. It really is both memorable and effective at invoking feel and mood.

It's a good chunk of the reason why I tear up a bit when Batman hints to Gordon who he is.

I hope I grow to love The Batman's score more. It's a bummer to me when this gothic score doesn't stick with me and the only music anyone remembers from then film is the Nirvana tune.

:/
 
OnLeatherWings said:
One thing I underrated in this trilogy was the score. It really is both memorable and effective at invoking feel and mood.

It's a good chunk of the reason why I tear up a bit when Batman hints to Gordon who he is.

I hope I grow to love The Batman's score more. It's a bummer to me when this gothic score doesn't stick with me and the only music anyone remembers from then film is the Nirvana tune.

:/
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Zimmer's score is iconic honestly. Giacchinos score, while good on its own, is just too repetitive for my taste. Outside the main theme, there's not much there and unfortunately riddler's theme is very uninspired. Especially when you compare it to the Jokers theme or Banes theme.
 
Gothamsknight said:
Yeah I'm often hesitant to name what my favorite film ever is but with how many times I've rewatched it, I think I can safely say TDK is my favorite film ever. Or at the very least, in my top 3.
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Yeah, I know it's hard to label it, but you know when a movie hits you and changes you completely? That's TDK to me. Althrough Jurassic Park is very close, I still can't find another movie that's so meaningful, inspiring, thrilling and well done like this. Of course I know it's not perfect, but for me, well... it's kinda of :oldrazz:

OnLeatherWings said:
One thing I underrated in this trilogy was the score. It really is both memorable and effective at invoking feel and mood.

It's a good chunk of the reason why I tear up a bit when Batman hints to Gordon who he is.

I hope I grow to love The Batman's score more. It's a bummer to me when this gothic score doesn't stick with me and the only music anyone remembers from then film is the Nirvana tune.

:/
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I think Zimmer's score is well recognized too, specially when you compare to other CBM's scores (90% is forgettable).
About The Batman's soundtrack, I freakin' love it. Probably my favorite aspect of the movie.
 
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