The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

Imagine if The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises got a video game adaptation?

The Batman Begins game was visually gorgeous and damn solid, for a film tie-in game. A lot of its DNA made its way into the Arkham Series.

Batman Begins with its visual style and tie-in games and merch, almost feels like another franchise.
 
I miss tie-in video games. They were almost always janky, but it was fun to experience the film in another medium. In fact, I miss most movie merchandise in general:

- Video game adaptation
- Novelization
- Soundtracks/Music Videos (Songs inspired by)
- Comic book adaptation
- Cereal
- Movie/Poster magazines
- Affordable 'Making Of' Books
- All types of other idiosyncratic releases

Movies used to have long build-up and a long wind down. Nowadays, movies seem to come and go within a few weeks.
 
I miss tie-in video games. They were almost always janky, but it was fun to experience the film in another medium. In fact, I miss most movie merchandise in general:

- Video game adaptation
- Novelization
- Soundtracks/Music Videos (Songs inspired by)
- Comic book adaptation
- Cereal
- Movie/Poster magazines
- Affordable 'Making Of' Books
- All types of other idiosyncratic releases

Movies used to have long build-up and a long wind down. Nowadays, movies seem to come and go within a few weeks.

I feel like most of these, Batman Begins had - but the other films did not.

Batman Begins seemed to come at the last breath of '90s-like filmmaking/marketing - so it had all this. It even came out on VHS (I saw a copy at an antique shop for like $5 recently, had no idea it was rare and pricey).

The Dark Knight/Rises came out in what's the model still around today.
 
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I still have my copy of NES Batman '89:

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So much nostalgia! :hrt:
 
Found this segment on deleted scenes on IMDB - and wow, I knew of some of these. I don't know what the source is, but I know some of them were confirmed prior.

But man, some of these sound awesome and I know the film is already long, but some of these seem necessary, IMO. Would've addressed the 'plot hole' nonsense.

  • "The final shooting script features several deleted/extended scenes not found in this movie. Most are "character moments", though some also clarify details of the plot.
  • A longer speech by the Mayor, explaining the powers of the Dent Act and an elaborate police search for Batman which drove Bruce Wayne into exile.
  • A scene at Wayne Manor where the Congressman tells Foley that he's next in line for the role of Police Commissioner, setting up the conflict between Gordon and Foley and Foley's obsession with arresting Batman for the murder of Harvey Dent.
  • A scene at Wayne Enterprises where Miranda warns Lucius Fox that Daggett is trying to take control of the company.
  • A longer scene of Bruce Wayne and Lucius Fox at the Applied Sciences warehouse. Fox gives Wayne the special leg brace which allows him to walk again. Their conversation also establishes that while the Applied Sciences equipment and weaponry is kept "off the books," the warehouse is not. This explains how Bane knows the location of the armory, as its location had not changed since the events of Batman Begins (2005).
  • A conversation between the two thugs that capture Commissioner Gordon where they debate killing him before taking him to Bane (giving a direct explanation on how Gordon learned Bane's name).
  • A scene at Wayne Enterprises where Miranda warns Lucius Fox that Daggett is trying to take control of the company.
  • Bruce testing the leg brace in the Batcave, explaining to Alfred how it works to match the muscle patterns of his uninjured leg.
  • A longer and slightly different scene outside the stock exchange and a lengthy chase scene between Bane, the Police, and Batman, where they race around Gotham.
  • An argument in the Batcave between Bruce and Alfred revealing that Bruce bought up all the land and homes surrounding Wayne Manor to prevent anyone from seeing him coming and going as Batman. An extended, much more heated confrontation between Bruce and Alfred. Alfred threatens to leave Wayne Manor if Bruce continues as Batman, and Bruce argues that since Rachel Dawes' death, Batman is his only reason to live.
  • A longer conversation between Bruce, Miranda, and Fox discussing the reactor and Dr. Pavel.
  • An extended conversation between Bruce & Blake where Blake warns Bruce that others will eventually figure out Batman's true identity. Blake also jokingly gives Bruce cash for cab fare.
  • A much extended scene of Bane storming Blackgate Prison. Bane burns a picture of Harvey Dent and explains that Dent became the villain Two-Face after his injuries and encourages the city's poor to attack the wealthy and powerful before he destroys Blackgate, releasing all of the inmates.
  • A brief conversation between Fox and Bruce establishing that he purposely hid The Bat under camouflage on a rooftop instead of the Batcave to prevent Bane from finding it.
  • A brief scene of Selina escaping Blackgate.
  • A series of extended or omitted scenes showing how the city reacts to the burning Bat-signal on Gotham Bridge. Most significantly, Bane's army of mercenaries begins to panic and is demoralized. Afterwards Foley opens up his uniform from his floorboards.
  • After Batman defeats Bane. Bane confesses that his devotion to Ra's al Guhl stems from the League of Shadows rescuing him from the pit. A flashback scene then shows Ra's al Guhl training Bane, who he has provided with a crude prototype mask to numb his pain.
  • A scene of Talia al Ghul openly taking charge of the League of Shadows to form a convoy to detonate the neutron bomb. She then floods the reactor core and, as in this movie, Fox tries to escape, though even the finished scenes of Fox in the movie occur earlier in the script version.
  • A longer argument between Blake and the Army blockade on Gotham Bridge. Blake argues with the commanding officer, trying to convince him that Batman has returned, and battle has broken out in the city streets. In the script, after Batman harnesses the bomb to The Bat, he's never seen again, The Bat simply flies out to sea, and the bomb detonates. The scene of Fox and the technicians examining the autopilot of The Bat then follows, with Fox realizing that Batman had ejected before the bomb detonated, and that Bruce Wayne must have survived the explosion. Bruce is last seen with Selina Kyle by Alfred at the cafe."
 
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If this scene is real -

"An argument in the Batcave between Bruce and Alfred revealing that Bruce bought up all the land and homes surrounding Wayne Manor to prevent anyone from seeing him coming and going as Batman. An extended, much more heated confrontation between Bruce and Alfred. Alfred threatens to leave Wayne Manor if Bruce continues as Batman, and Bruce argues that since Rachel Dawes' death, Batman is his only reason to live."

Then this really bolsters the point that I and fans make that Batman kept going long after The Dark Knight.

Why else would he buy up property around the area to avoid being seen (as Wayne Manor/the Cave wasn't even finished in the last film)? And why would he give up his only reason for living (Batman) so easily?

After all, Alfred says "...to someday have a life beyond that awful cave." Well, that means he HAD one.

Plus this point -

"A longer speech by the Mayor, explaining the powers of the Dent Act and an elaborate police search for Batman which drove Bruce Wayne into exile."

Hints at a period where Batman was actively hunted, which would've been amazing to see. And not possible if he quit the night Dent dies.
 
Found this segment on deleted scenes on IMDB - and wow, I knew of some of these. I don't know what the source is, but I know some of them were confirmed prior.

But man, some of these sound awesome and I know the film is already long, but some of these seem necessary, IMO. Would've addressed the 'plot hole' nonsense.

  • "The final shooting script features several deleted/extended scenes not found in this movie. Most are "character moments", though some also clarify details of the plot.
  • A longer speech by the Mayor, explaining the powers of the Dent Act and an elaborate police search for Batman which drove Bruce Wayne into exile.
  • A scene at Wayne Manor where the Congressman tells Foley that he's next in line for the role of Police Commissioner, setting up the conflict between Gordon and Foley and Foley's obsession with arresting Batman for the murder of Harvey Dent.
  • A scene at Wayne Enterprises where Miranda warns Lucius Fox that Daggett is trying to take control of the company.
  • A longer scene of Bruce Wayne and Lucius Fox at the Applied Sciences warehouse. Fox gives Wayne the special leg brace which allows him to walk again. Their conversation also establishes that while the Applied Sciences equipment and weaponry is kept "off the books," the warehouse is not. This explains how Bane knows the location of the armory, as its location had not changed since the events of Batman Begins (2005).
  • A conversation between the two thugs that capture Commissioner Gordon where they debate killing him before taking him to Bane (giving a direct explanation on how Gordon learned Bane's name).
  • A scene at Wayne Enterprises where Miranda warns Lucius Fox that Daggett is trying to take control of the company.
  • Bruce testing the leg brace in the Batcave, explaining to Alfred how it works to match the muscle patterns of his uninjured leg.
  • A longer and slightly different scene outside the stock exchange and a lengthy chase scene between Bane, the Police, and Batman, where they race around Gotham.
  • An argument in the Batcave between Bruce and Alfred revealing that Bruce bought up all the land and homes surrounding Wayne Manor to prevent anyone from seeing him coming and going as Batman. An extended, much more heated confrontation between Bruce and Alfred. Alfred threatens to leave Wayne Manor if Bruce continues as Batman, and Bruce argues that since Rachel Dawes' death, Batman is his only reason to live.
  • A longer conversation between Bruce, Miranda, and Fox discussing the reactor and Dr. Pavel.
  • An extended conversation between Bruce & Blake where Blake warns Bruce that others will eventually figure out Batman's true identity. Blake also jokingly gives Bruce cash for cab fare.
  • A much extended scene of Bane storming Blackgate Prison. Bane burns a picture of Harvey Dent and explains that Dent became the villain Two-Face after his injuries and encourages the city's poor to attack the wealthy and powerful before he destroys Blackgate, releasing all of the inmates.
  • A brief conversation between Fox and Bruce establishing that he purposely hid The Bat under camouflage on a rooftop instead of the Batcave to prevent Bane from finding it.
  • A brief scene of Selina escaping Blackgate.
  • A series of extended or omitted scenes showing how the city reacts to the burning Bat-signal on Gotham Bridge. Most significantly, Bane's army of mercenaries begins to panic and is demoralized. Afterwards Foley opens up his uniform from his floorboards.
  • After Batman defeats Bane. Bane confesses that his devotion to Ra's al Guhl stems from the League of Shadows rescuing him from the pit. A flashback scene then shows Ra's al Guhl training Bane, who he has provided with a crude prototype mask to numb his pain.
  • A scene of Talia al Ghul openly taking charge of the League of Shadows to form a convoy to detonate the neutron bomb. She then floods the reactor core and, as in this movie, Fox tries to escape, though even the finished scenes of Fox in the movie occur earlier in the script version.
  • A longer argument between Blake and the Army blockade on Gotham Bridge. Blake argues with the commanding officer, trying to convince him that Batman has returned, and battle has broken out in the city streets. In the script, after Batman harnesses the bomb to The Bat, he's never seen again, The Bat simply flies out to sea, and the bomb detonates. The scene of Fox and the technicians examining the autopilot of The Bat then follows, with Fox realizing that Batman had ejected before the bomb detonated, and that Bruce Wayne must have survived the explosion. Bruce is last seen with Selina Kyle by Alfred at the cafe."
I’ve had a theory as to why the film is at its current length. When I saw Dark Knight Rises at midnight the theatre had an employee introduce the movie. During his spiel he remarked that the film was so long that it had taken up all of the room on the film platter. I wonder if Nolan cut the film down specifically so that a physical 70mm print could still play in IMAX.
 
Imagine if The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises got a video game adaptation?

The Batman Begins game was visually gorgeous and damn solid, for a film tie-in game. A lot of its DNA made its way into the Arkham Series.

Batman Begins with its visual style and tie-in games and merch, almost feels like another franchise.
There were video games for both Dark Knight and Rises but they were on mobile only.
 
I’ve had a theory as to why the film is at its current length. When I saw Dark Knight Rises at midnight the theatre had an employee introduce the movie. During his spiel he remarked that the film was so long that it had taken up all of the room on the film platter. I wonder if Nolan cut the film down specifically so that a physical 70mm print could still play in IMAX.

Definitely a solid theory - my only doubt is that I don't see Nolan prioritizing fitting the film on the 70mm print at the cost of any artistic vision.
 
Definitely a solid theory - my only doubt is that I don't see Nolan prioritizing fitting the film on the 70mm print at the cost of any artistic vision.
I’d like to think that as well, but he’s so committed to celluloid and projecting films in 70mm that I could see him sacrificing some scenes if it meant the film could still be shown on IMAX film. Also, Nolan doesn’t do alternate cuts or release deleted scenes so we’d just be stuck with a version that was made in the heat of the moment if my theory is true.
 
I read the shooting script a while back (it's out there), and some extra bits and pieces are definitely in there and were presumably shot. But I also don't remember all of those being in there, so I'm not entirely sure the source on those. IMDB isn't always the most reliable when it comes to that kind of stuff.

I personally DO think the trims were made to ensure that it could work for IMAX. In the Making of the TDK Trilogy book, in the chapter on Rises there's a mention of how Nolan was determined to keep the film under 3 hours, so even regardless of that I think Nolan was conscious of the film being lengthy was trying to keep it under control.

Another cool tidbit I caught flipping through the History of Batman book I just picked up-- Nolan mentions that a lot of the crew on TDK had worked on Batman 89 and were very apprehensive at first about anyone other than Nicholson playing the Joker, and that it was satisfying to watch them all come to the realization that Heath was doing something special with the role. I think people forget how large Nicholson's shadow loomed prior to Heath, thought that was a nice reminder of what Heath was up against coming into the role.
 
I read the shooting script a while back (it's out there), and some extra bits and pieces are definitely in there and were presumably shot. But I also don't remember all of those being in there, so I'm not entirely sure the source on those. IMDB isn't always the most reliable when it comes to that kind of stuff.

I personally DO think the trims were made to ensure that it could work for IMAX. In the Making of the TDK Trilogy book, in the chapter on Rises there's a mention of how Nolan was determined to keep the film under 3 hours, so even regardless of that I think Nolan was conscious of the film being lengthy was trying to keep it under control.

Another cool tidbit I caught flipping through the History of Batman book I just picked up-- Nolan mentions that a lot of the crew on TDK had worked on Batman 89 and were very apprehensive at first about anyone other than Nicholson playing the Joker, and that it was satisfying to watch them all come to the realization that Heath was doing something special with the role. I think people forget how large Nicholson's shadow loomed prior to Heath, thought that was a nice reminder of what Heath was up against coming into the role.
Oh man, I had no idea some of the same crew were present. Must've been a crazy experience to have both of those under their belt. Just pure history in the making.
 
Oh man, I had no idea some of the same crew were present. Must've been a crazy experience to have both of those under their belt. Just pure history in the making.

I never knew that either. I'm guessing probably a lot of the UK crew, which makes sense.
 
I think people forget how large Nicholson's shadow loomed prior to Heath, thought that was a nice reminder of what Heath was up against coming into the role.

True, even I forget about it.

But yeah, the general thought was "Nobody can top Nicholson!"

It was everywhere.
 
I love the scene where Batman saves Blake.

Blake just watches in awe as his hero does what he's always done - be Batman and kick ass.

It's a cool little moment.
 
I love the scene where Batman saves Blake.

Blake just watches in awe as his hero does what he's always done - be Batman and kick ass.

It's a cool little moment.

Blake serves an audience surrogate role in the movie. The Batman fan who knows Bruce’s secret and the first one to encourage him to come out of retirement. The meta aspect of him inheriting the mantle at the end plays into the theme of a hero being anyone; it is an everyman representing the viewer who keeps the legend going just as Batman as a story is taken by its audience and continually reinterpreted.
 
I'm going to be bold here and say Bale's voice as Batman didn't bother me outside of a few moments.

Where it bothered me -
  • "You're alone!"
  • "This city...just showed you, that it's full of pee-pul, ready to believe in gooooood!"
  • "Where's the trigger?! You'd never give it to an ordinary chituzun!"
That's really it.

His and Joker's exchange at the construction site is when it bugs me the most, especially the expression Bale makes. He never closes his mouth, here - and grimaces. It's a bit odd.

But yeah, outside of that, his voice is fine.
 
It never bothered me. I was in high school when TDK dropped and EVERYBODY was talking about the movie, while also making jokes about the voice. At that point I was just so invested in the magic Nolan had created with the first 2 movies that the voice just didn't bother me at all. And I think in Batman Begins especially, it was really intimidating, especially his encounter with flass.

Funny story, one of my teachers had a huge crush on Bale at the time and made sure the whole class knew it. While saying "The voice has gotta go though".
 
This was posted on the Batman Reddit, today.

It compiled all the scores from RottenTomatoes, IMDB, and MetaCritic to quantify reception for the films.

Needless to say, Rises took a beating in the comments as if it's Phantom Menace and fans of Reeves were very angry the Nolan films ranked ahead.

But a cool list to see, IMO.

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