BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 5

[The Guard]

The logos are just an Easter egg. It looked like The Flash's suit, at least the mask, was sort of makeshift.

 

[writer0327]

I can buy it, adds to Lex's recklessness.

Adds to his cockiness. Lex is arrogant enough to think he understood an alien technology just because he sat and listened to the Kryptonian computer systems. Even the computer told him not to do it and that the Kryptonian council was against his actions. It was a solid moment for the Lex Luthor character, one of very few in this film. I said before, if they played that Lex out more, that would have improved his character.

 

[Rowsdower!]

The Flash scene in the convenience store was okay, nothing special.

Aquaman was awkward AF... Didn't like it at all.

Flash showing up in the bat cave was weird and his costume looked terrible IMO, didn't like that either.

Cyborg looked cool.

I also found it weird the logos he had for them on the file folder? It felt so forced...

The Aquaman scene was kinda funny. He looked like he just woke up from a hangover and was like, "GTFO. It's been a long night."

And yeah, the whole Knightmare sequence should have been scrapped. It made no sense within the context of the film. At most, it should have been a post-credits scene or something.

 

[Rapunzel]

The logos are just an Easter egg. It looked like The Flash's suit, at least the mask, was sort of makeshift.

It seemed like a domino mask to me. Not a cowl.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I also found it weird the logos he had for them on the file folder? It felt so forced...

Indeed why not use just name folders or something? Why freaking logos????

 

[JOE]

Indeed why not use just name folders or something? Why freaking logos????

Thank you! Thought I was the only one irritated by that. Such an eye rolling scene for me...

 

[OutOfBoose]

And yeah, the whole Knightmare sequence should have been scrapped. It made no sense within the context of the film. At most, it should have been a post-credits scene or something.

What a bunch of nonsense. How it didn't make sense, if it clearly shows Superman and how he supposedly destroyed the world and rules as some evil supreme being dictator? It's clearly one of major things, that motivated Batman to try to kill Superman.

 

[Cats]

2 Questions to all (esp those who had huge problems with the film):

1. If the filmmakers had taken great care to make sure Batman and Superman never killed anyone in the film, even while keeping everything the same (incl choppy scenes etc), would that have greatly altered your opinion of the movie?

2. If in the upcoming DC films, none of the Justice League members ever intentionally kill anyone, and whatever deaths that happened in MoS and BvS are not mentioned again, would you be able to look at the franchise with fresh new eyes (even while continuity ensues)?

 

[Mjölnir]

Bats' own stupid paranoia and hard headedness is what annoys Supes. And allows Lex to set up his hostage situation with Martha in the first place. If Bats wasn't a bully, none of this fight would have happened.

Supes is annoyed that he doesn't listen and tries to attack him, so he just stops trying to reason with this person who is no threat to him whatsoever and starts fighting him. That is what it comes down to at the point where the fists start doing the talking. It seems like the writers didn't think Superman's motivation was good enough at that point (which I guess is true, but the solution is to make it better), so they had him fight for something else. He's not holding back much either since Batman was pretty lucky to survive being run through that building.

I'm going out now so I will unfortunately not be able to respond to any eventual reply, and when I'm back the thread will be far beyond this.

 

[writer0327]

2 Questions to all (esp those who had huge problems with the film):

1. If the filmmakers had taken great care to make sure Batman and Superman never killed anyone in the film, even while keeping everything the same (incl choppy scenes etc), would that have greatly altered your opinion of the movie?

2. If in the upcoming DC films, none of the Justice League members ever intentionally kill anyone, and whatever deaths that happened in MoS and BvS are not mentioned again, would you be able to look at the franchise with fresh new eyes (even while continuity ensues)?

Killing people isn't really the issue, for me anyway. It's the overall characterization, killing is just a tiny piece of the problem.

 

[matt47]

I made a quick edit of the aquaman scene. Added different music and shortened it so it wasn't lingering on him for too long.

On a tooooooooootally un related note, you should check out my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd6WDzfrDKJIrXjOekAVu8g

 

[Cats]

One thing I have never understood.... Why don't these writers and directors get with real comic book fans when making these movies... why not seek out to see what the world in which you are filming wants to see? You want to be a truck driver, you train with other truck drivers to learn what to do.

I think Geoff Johns was supposed to represent comic book nerds a.k.a fans.

Guys, a copuple of questions.

1) What exactly was Luthor thinking to do with Doomsday after Superman´s death? Plus, the military knew he had access to the ship, so that he was the responsable for its creation. What was his plan beyond killing Superman, if any?

2) How come Superman knew Batman´s identity, Lex Luthor knew both Superman´s and Batman´s, but the greates detective of all didn´t have a clue about anything?

1. Jesse said in a couple of interviews that Lex, with his deluded form of thinking, likened himself to the savior of the world. Standing right in front of an angry Doomsday, it would appear he intended to die between the battle of Doomsday vs Superman and be monumented as a hero (in the way Superman had). I guess Lex assumed Superman and Doomsday would kill each other off, so that would solve everyone's problem.

2. Superman overheard Bruce talking to Alfred on the intercom. Lex had been doing research on all the metahumans, with special focus on Superman and Batman (even though Bats is the only non metahuman) since he intended to pit the two against each other. As for Batman, I suppose he demonized Superman to the point that he could not imagine Supes parading around as a regular human being, having a regular family and holding a regular job. It was sloppy, but while he certainly did all that prep work to test Superman's weaknesses, he failed to look into who Superman really was, which is why the entire fight started anyway.

 

[sepharih]

2 Questions to all (esp those who had huge problems with the film):

1. If the filmmakers had taken great care to make sure Batman and Superman never killed anyone in the film, even while keeping everything the same (incl choppy scenes etc), would that have greatly altered your opinion of the movie?

"Greatly"? No. Slightly perhaps. End of the day: its still a bad movie with bad writing and bad performances. Batman being more logically consistent and closer to cannon can't change that...but it might make it a bit more tolerable.

2. If in the upcoming DC films, none of the Justice League members ever intentionally kill anyone, and whatever deaths that happened in MoS and BvS are not mentioned again, would you be able to look at the franchise with fresh new eyes (even while continuity ensues)?

Nope. Cats out of the bag. Can't ignore it, would just draw attention. If Batman shows up in the next movie talking about his no kill code it will only draw laughs. Batman is a serial killer and a thug, and Superman has an extremely flexible moral compass.
We'll need a full blown crisis on infinite earths at this point to make things right at this point.

 

[Rowsdower!]

What a bunch of nonsense. How it didn't make sense, if it clearly shows Superman and how he supposedly destroyed the world and rules as some evil supreme being dictator? It's clearly one of major things, that motivated Batman to try to kill Superman.

If it was just a nightmare Batman had brought on by his fears about Superman, then THAT would have made sense. But adding in allusions to Darkseid and having the Flash appear to tell him that he can't let Lois die or something indicates something else is going on--that it wasn't a dream; it was an actual vision of the future. Yet those things are never addressed again in the film. And yeah, Snyder is world building and all that, but if you're going to throw something like that out there, you have to make it feel more organic in THIS movie instead of just hoping to address it in the next one.

 

[antoineflemming]

"Greatly"? No. Slightly perhaps. End of the day: its still a bad movie with bad writing and bad performances. Batman being more logically consistent and closer to cannon can't change that...but it might make it a bit more tolerable.



Nope. Cats out of the bag. Can't ignore it, would just draw attention. If Batman shows up in the next movie talking about his no kill code it will only draw laughs. Batman is a serial killer and a thug, and Superman has an extremely flexible moral compass.
We'll need a full blown crisis on infinite earths at this point to make things right at this point.

Well, you're certainly in the minority with that particularly point...

 

[antoineflemming]

I made a quick edit of the aquaman scene. Added different music and shortened it so it wasn't lingering on him for too long.

On a tooooooooootally un related note, you should check out my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd6WDzfrDKJIrXjOekAVu8g

But... why that music? placeholder for what should've been aquaman music?

 

[Travesty]

The logos are just an Easter egg. It looked like The Flash's suit, at least the mask, was sort of makeshift.

I couldn't really make it out. It was hard to see. I think on my next viewing, I'll be trying to get a better look.

But overall, the nightmare scene kinda came out of nowhere. It's the only scene that could've been scrapped, or placed in a different scene with him clearly sleeping. Cause we see him awake, and then out of nowhere, we're in the nightmare scene. And The Flash part was confusing to me. So was that Flash from the post apocalyptic nightmare, or was that just Flash from another future? And when he was screaming about Lois, did he mean in this movie, or that she'll be important in the future movies? Heh, I'm confused by that.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I don't even know how Lex ends up in prison. Lois says she's investigating him, but really she has nothing. She has a bullet made by his company which she can't prove where she got it and does nothing to prove Lex's involvement in a conspiracy or crime. And she has a tip of classified information from a source who will never go on record to confirm it; which makes it unsubstantiated hearsay especially since there is nothing shown of Lois discovering any evidence or information which would confirm the accusations. There is no other known admissible evidence offered, or anything that would stand up in a court of law, or anything that a super rich and powerful man like Lex couldn't tie up in litigation for decades and eventually get away with. Hell, he couldn't even be tied to Doomsday, not that the government/military would want that to be public knowledge since they were complicit in providing him access to the materials and technology to do so, despite the fact the government/military was aware of his involvement in the desert conspiracy. There's not even any motivation for Lex to be doing any of these things other than the fact he has the name Lex Luthor and we all know that means he's a bad guy who does bad things.

 

[sepharih]

Well, you're certainly in the minority with that particularly point...

People are desperate to find something, anything, redeemable in this mess and are being far to kind to some of the actors involved (eissenberg notwithstanding). It certainly isn't Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill's fault that their characters are written stupidly, but they still could have easily been substituted for action figure models.

 

[BatSpider]

Indeed why not use just name folders or something? Why freaking logos????

Wow nitpicking has hit a new low, sad.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't even know how Lex ends up in prison. Lois says she's investigating him, but really she has nothing. She has a bullet made by his company which she can't prove where she got it and does nothing to prove Lex's involvement in a conspiracy or crime. And she has a tip of classified information from a source who will never go on record to confirm it; which makes it unsubstantiated hearsay especially since there is nothing shown of Lois discovering any evidence or information which would confirm the accusations. There is no other known admissible evidence offered, or anything that would stand up in a court of law, or anything that a super rich and powerful man like Lex couldn't tie up in litigation for decades and eventually get away with. Hell, he couldn't even be tied to Doomsday, not that the government/military would want that to be public knowledge since they were complicit in providing him access to the materials and technology to do so, despite the fact the government/military was aware of his involvement in the desert conspiracy. There's not even any motivation for Lex to be doing any of these things other than the fact he has the name Lex Luthor and we all know that means he's a bad guy who does bad things.

Sorry to bring up Daredevil, I just realized that this is the second Ben Affleck superhero movie where the film concludes with a bald villain in prison in the end and we have no clue how he actually got there.

 

[TDKR1977]

"Greatly"? No. Slightly perhaps. End of the day: its still a bad movie with bad writing and bad performances. Batman being more logically consistent and closer to cannon can't change that...but it might make it a bit more tolerable.



Nope. Cats out of the bag. Can't ignore it, would just draw attention. If Batman shows up in the next movie talking about his no kill code it will only draw laughs. Batman is a serial killer and a thug, and Superman has an extremely flexible moral compass.
We'll need a full blown crisis on infinite earths at this point to make things right at this point.

Do you know what a serial killer is?

 

[The Guard]

I don't even know how Lex ends up in prison. Lois says she's investigating him, but really she has nothing. She has a bullet made by his company which she can't prove where she got it and does nothing to prove Lex's involvement in a conspiracy or crime. And she has a tip of classified information from a source who will never go on record to confirm it; which makes it unsubstantiated hearsay especially since there is nothing shown of Lois discovering any evidence or information which would confirm the accusations. There is no other known admissible evidence offered, or anything that would stand up in a court of law, or anything that a super rich and powerful man like Lex couldn't tie up in litigation for decades and eventually get away with. Hell, he couldn't even be tied to Doomsday, not that the government/military would want that to be public knowledge since they were complicit in providing him access to the materials and technology to do so, despite the fact the government/military was aware of his involvement in the desert conspiracy. There's not even any motivation for Lex to be doing any of these things other than the fact he has the name Lex Luthor and we all know that means he's a bad guy who does bad things.

Lex asked the military for clearance. Then he created Doomsday...it's not just the Bullet.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Wow nitpicking has hit a new low, sad.

It's minor stuff, don't be sad. It didn't affect me dramatically.

 

[Travesty]

Yeah, I thought Lex was sent to prison for creating Doomsday. He created a creature that the military dropped nukes on, and Superman died having to put down.