The Xbox One - Part 6

[Havok83]

All PS3s are capable of running PS2 games via emulation which is why there are PS2 Classics on the store. The emulator is however locked behind the firmware so you cant just pop in a disc and run it. You have to actually purchase the game digitally via them to take advantage of it

 

[ProjectPat2280]

So my gameplan for Fall/Winter:

EA Access
Madden 15 (digital, my one Madden purchase of this gen)
Destiny (digital)
Forza Horizon 2 (digital)
Ori and the Blind Forest (digital)
Alien: Isolation (physical, trade towards next)
The Evil Within (physical, trade towards next)
Sunset Overdrive (physical, trade towards next)
COD: Advanced Warfare (physical, trade towards Xbox gift card)
Resident Evil HD (digital)
GTA5 (digital)
Halo: MCC (digital)
The Crew (digital)
Dragon Age: Inquisition (digital)

So 13 games total, 9 digital. Just keep trading in the physical games for the next one then get a gift card at the end of the line. I wonder if I'll be able to beat Alien, Evil Within, Sunset and COD by the end of the year though. I'm sure all of their campaigns are less than 10 hours each.

That looks pretty much like my list, just omit Destiny, CoD and the Crew and add Far Cry, Shadows of Mordor, AC: U, Batman and the Witcher(come Feb) altho my sports titles(Madden, NBA 2K15) will be physical since ill trade those in for next years version. Everything else will be digital tho.

So glad the summer draught is almost over. Come like 3 weeks theres pretty much a game or two per month ill be snagging

 

[Thundercrack85]

You can unlock disc play with modding. At least, that's what I heard (well, read).

Though again, the emulation isn't perfect. Which is presumably why some games haven't been released.

The original fat PS3 actually had Emotion Engines built-in, so they didn't emulate. Though I guess they could emulate too, theoretically.

I remember quite a few problems playing Xbox games on the 360.

I think physical backwards compatibility is effectively dead from now on, except for Nintendo consoles.

Wii U's can play Gamecube discs, but the option is locked too.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Witcher is definitely my most anticipated game so I'm looking forward to February. I may get Madden physical then trade it in when it gets added to the EA Vault. I'm just at the point where I don't like seeing discs in my house.

 

[Thundercrack85]

My room would be incredibly dull without any games in it. Just books, DVD's, and blu-rays.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Books are about the only thing I prefer physical these days. I went digital with movies and music a long time ago. I think Thor was my last blu-ray purchase.

 

[Tron Bonne]

You can unlock disc play with modding. At least, that's what I heard (well, read).

Though again, the emulation isn't perfect. Which is presumably why some games haven't been released.

The original fat PS3 actually had Emotion Engines built-in, so they didn't emulate. Though I guess they could emulate too, theoretically.

I remember quite a few problems playing Xbox games on the 360.

I think physical backwards compatibility is effectively dead from now on, except for Nintendo consoles.

Wii U's can play Gamecube discs, but the option is locked too.

Yep, Ninja Gaiden Black and Jet Set Radio Future had a lot of stuttering when I played them on the 360. Didn't make them unplayable or anything, but definitely was annoying.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

My room would be incredibly dull without any games in it. Just books, DVD's, and blu-rays.

Haha, im just about completely out of space. At max, I had over 130 PS3 and 360 games. Once I went up to the X1 and PS4, i trimmed that number down to around 90 from November to now, but im still over stuffed. Its good that im going digital because the games I have left, I don't ever see myself getting rid of.

Yep, Ninja Gaiden Black and Jet Set Radio Future had a lot of stuttering when I played them on the 360. Didn't make them unplayable or anything, but definitely was annoying.

Yea, the orig Fable had some annoying sound glitches.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Honestly, I never had that many Xbox games (maybe ten), so, it was a nice feature, but I didn't really have too much use for it.

I have a **** load of PS2 games though (about fifty), so I would be thrilled if they allowed local emulation on the PS4.

But between the remasters, digital sales and streaming, that ain't happening.

Which sucks, because games like Radiata Stories, Suikoden, and Grandia are never going to be rereleased. Not here, anyway.

 

[Tron Bonne]

There's a lot of great gems on the original Xbox Jet Set Radio Future, Ninja Gaiden/Black, Otogi 1 & 2, Phantom Dust, KOTOR games, Jade Empire, etc.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Jade Empire!

 

[Thundercrack85]

Nothing wrong with the Xbox, but I technically never owned (a working) one.

Since I had a PS2, I was pretty happy. My brother had one, and I inherited his games, and bought a few more.

I still have Fable, KOTOR 1, 2, and Halo 2. That's about it.

Oh and I have a broken Xbox. And two broken 360's.

Go, Microsoft.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I don't think I have a single PS2 or Xbox game left. Once the 360 and PS3 hit, I left those previous consoles with a vengeance and really never looked back. Save for a few select titles, I cant play any of those games from that era, they just look and feel so dated.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I've been lucky with MS hardware. My Xbox still works (I think, anyway, not plugged it in for a long time), and my old school, non-HDMI 360 for way back in the day is still chugging along, even though it's had the one ring of annoyance for as long as I can remember.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't think I have a single PS2 or Xbox game left. Once the 360 and PS3 hit, I left those previous consoles with a vengeance and really never looked back. Save for a few select titles, I cant play any of those games from that era, they just look and feel so dated.

Every gen has it's timeless games. Ninja Gaiden Black, RE4, MGS3 (Subsistence) are some that are still smooth as butter, and twice as fattening.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

The only game from that gen (PS2/XBox) I wish I could play today is Shadow of the Colossus. Fighting a Colossi on my 60" TV would be soooo epic.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Every gen has it's timeless games. Ninja Gaiden Black, RE4, MGS3 (Subsistence) are some that are still smooth as butter, and twice as fattening.

Its funny, the one console i played the least, my Gamecube, is the only console from that generation I still have and have games for. I still own the REmake, RE0, MGS:TTS and Rouge Squadron.

But yea, i no longer have my orig copies, but iv got the remasters of RE4, MGS 2-PW and Splinter Cell, and they really do hold up. So thats true theres always some standouts.

 

[Tron Bonne]

The only game from that gen (PS2/XBox) I wish I could play today is Shadow of the Colossus. Fighting a Colossi on my 60" TV would be soooo epic.

It got a HD remaster with ICO on the PS3, if you have one.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

I don't but if it gets onto PS Now, I'll get a PS TV for it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Actually, from what I've been told by people who know more about this sort of stuff than I do, the Xbone isn't BC because the architecture is too different. Microsoft actually tried BC, with limited success, apparently. Or if they were successful, they've kept it to themselves.

The 360 had some serious emulation problems as well (some, less popular games can't be played on it), and even popular titles have issues. The early PS3's weren't emulating, they actually had PS2 parts in them. Though apparently the Slim, can brute force emulate PS2 games, with considerable modding (and from what little I read, it's not an exact science).

What is interesting – though probably only I care – is that the Xbone and PS4 are both powerful enough to brute force emulate Xbox and PS2 games.

But, there's really no reason why they would make that a feature, since they want to sell those games to you again.

why in the hell would microsoft want to keep it to themselves? having xbone be backwards compatible would be a major MAJOR advantage it would have had over the ps4. sheesh.

i'm not really sure what you mean by this brute force ****, unless you mean just trying to stick the ps2/ps3 games in your ps3/ps4 repeatedly until it works. you'll have to break it down for me.

ya, and **** them for that. i'd much rather my ps4 be BC so that i can play my ps3 games on it instead of having to pay for ps4 versions of them to play them again.

 

[Tron Bonne]

But the vast majority of games are not going to get HD Remasters. Sure you're going to get your major franchises like Metal Gear, Resident Evil, and Tomb Raider remastered, but you're not going to see games like Psychonauts get remastered. Not only that but the majority of HD remasters actually put in the effort of to add in more value to where sometimes it's actually worth rebuying the games and a lot of these games are out of print that get harder and harder to find in a traditional retail store.

Backwards compatibility and HD remasters can easily co-exist hand in hand.

Well, for one, I think the bolded is pretty inaccurate. There are cases of companies going beyond the call of duty (Nintendo's HD remaster of Wind Waker is a good one), but in general, HD remasters are fairly low effort affairs. Very quick and very lazy, which has made them so popular to begin with. Low end effort with high end reward.

And you're right, they aren't going to remaster everything, but they're still looking to sell you those franchises you mentioned, so unless they are going to do selective BC, then I could easily see the thought that BC would cut into potential sales of those titles.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, it probably didn't work, or not well anyway.

But I think backwards compatibility has lost its advantageousness anyway. Now that big games like Last of Us, Tomb Raider, and GTA V have all been given an 8th gen version. Not to mention the upcoming Halo collection, and I think big collections like Mass Effect, and Uncharted aren't far behind.

Brute force just means that the console can emulate the games through sheer computing power, as opposed to streaming, or using parts from the previous generation (like the original PS3, the Wii, and the Wii U). Emulation requires a lot of power.

The PS4 probably can't do that with PS3 games, since it would require a whole lot more power.

I'm not even aware of a PC PS3 emulator. Doesn't help that the PS3 had some really weird architecture.

At least with the 360 and Xbone, it was considered... a possibility.

 

[Thundercrack85]

If the Xbone had been released with backwards compatibility, I think it would have made a huge difference.

It might still boost sales, but it's not a game changer. Plus, they want to make money on all those easy HD rereleases. I think Nintendo set the new standard. They've sold some poor sucker Mario World four times (SNES, GBA, Wii, Wii U).

...and I just realized I'm that poor sucker.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Mario has been re-released a lot, but in fairness, I think it's different. Digital services didn't exist, and the only way to really bring these games to a system's theoretical new audience would be to re-release. Games also went out of print faster and where less mass produced (which Nintendo published games still generally are today). Sure, it's milking a game past it's release, no doubt, but I think it was generally more of a necessity in those days.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Okay, but when the Wii's successor comes out, and I have to buy it digitally again, I am going to be pissed.