TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 1

[TheFlamingCoco]

To me, the action in Avengers works because people are "sold" on the characters. It's good to see them fighting alongside each other. But Avengers, IMHO, nailed the comic style. MOS looks to be holding back on it for the subtle, dramatic parts and embracing it for the grand and epic parts, which is how I think things should be

 

[robot]

To me, the action in Avengers works because people are "sold" on the characters. It's good to see them fighting alongside each other. But Avengers, IMHO, nailed the comic style. MOS looks to be holding back on it for the subtle, dramatic parts and embracing it for the grand and epic parts, which is how I think things should be

Avengers is a Disney Cartoon (hahha),... lots of kids go watch it.. it's guaranteed income... but heck, it's enjoyable...

TBH, I didn't really felt anything for any of the characters in Avengers... but in their origin movies, i did, like Ironman 1, Captain America, Hulk (the last one), etc...

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I actually cared about Banner and Captain America. But to each his own.

I feel like the tight dialog, likeable characters, and sense of style elevated a movie in which the plot felt like an excuse.

Now that MOS looks to overpower that sense of comic-book spectacle, while having a more powerful narrative, I can see it being the best in some people's minds. I've dialed down my expectations to a more realistic level so that if I'm not blown away by the sense of character, I'll still enjoy it

 

[BatLobster]

I still can't get over the lame "I'm always angry" thing, haha. I get it was necessary to include him in the climax but just seemed like such a bogus copout.

 

[Bran-El]

"I get angry too, sometimes." <- A line that I pray isn't in MOS.

 

[robot]

I still can't get over the lame "I'm always angry" thing, haha. I get it was necessary to include him in the climax but just seemed like such a bogus copout.

This... and the most illogical thing was once the fight started, suddenly he knows the difference between the good guys and the bad.. before, he was such a menace to anyone.. and was even trying to kill them... that kind of illogic shouldn't exist in any movies...

 

[Autonet]

I still can't get over the lame "I'm always angry" thing, haha. I get it was necessary to include him in the climax but just seemed like such a bogus copout.

Well he has to have some kind of control right? Felt like a comic book line which was fine to me.

 

[Notrip]

I didn't mind the line, and yes it was a comicbook line for sure. I am sure MOS will have plenty of corny lines, after all this is David Goyer, and there were TONS of them in the Batman trilogy.

 

[Infinity9999x]

This... and the most illogical thing was once the fight started, suddenly he knows the difference between the good guys and the bad.. before, he was such a menace to anyone.. and was even trying to kill them... that kind of illogic shouldn't exist in any movies...

I didn't think it was illogical. The first Hulk out showed us what happens when he turns into the Hulk through fear and pain (and influence from Loki). The Hulk just went into attack mode. The second Hulk out was controlled, thus a more controlled Hulk. Pretty simple really.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

This... and the most illogical thing was once the fight started, suddenly he knows the difference between the good guys and the bad.. before, he was such a menace to anyone.. and was even trying to kill them... that kind of illogic shouldn't exist in any movies...

It was the tesseract.
Why else would Cap and Tony be arguing over petty things.
All of them were influenced, Hulk was just affected the most understandably.

 

[BatLobster]

This... and the most illogical thing was once the fight started, suddenly he knows the difference between the good guys and the bad.. before, he was such a menace to anyone.. and was even trying to kill them... that kind of illogic shouldn't exist in any movies...

Yeah, that's sort of my problem with it, it feels like it invalidates all those moments in the film where he was a threat to the team. He should've been smart enough to go into "Zen Hulk" mode and control the beast before it controlled him.

I didn't think it was illogical. The first Hulk out showed us what happens when he turns into the Hulk through fear and pain (and influence from Loki). The Hulk just went into attack mode. The second Hulk out was controlled, thus a more controlled Hulk. Pretty simple really.

I guess I can buy it.

 

[JangoNate]

Throughout the movie there was apprehension on Banner's part that made him fearful to become the Hulk. So when he did, there was no control. At the end, though, was the first time he truly embraced it. I felt it was solidly explained, especially with TIH storyline attached.

 

[robot]

Throughout the movie there was apprehension on Banner's part that made him fearful to become the Hulk. So when he did, there was no control. At the end, though, was the first time he truly embraced it. I felt it was solidly explained, especially with TIH storyline attached.

Yeah, don't buy it... he either have control or he doesn't.. remember, he's been the HULK for a long, long time... he doesn't just 'suddenly' be able to control it, no matter how much the writers want him to... it's just terrible writing...

 

[BatLobster]

Alright, you know what...I sorta buy it but it still feels poorly explained. It was one of those moments that kinda made me go "what?" when I first saw the movie, but I see where you guys are coming from. He learned to master his anger, etc. I guess I just thought he would have had to have at least tried it before to know he could still control it while in "Hulk mode". And if he knew he had mastered it, then it shouldn't have taken so much convincing from Tony to know that he could be a real asset to the team.

I digress, back on topic:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/06/05/iron-man-3-man-of-steel-movies/2160107/

Devin Faraci talkin' some more trash here.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ That terrible writing made a killing at the BO :P

 

[robot]

It was the tesseract.
Why else would Cap and Tony be arguing over petty things.
All of them were influenced, Hulk was just affected the most understandably.

Maybe, can keep in eye closed about it, ... but a very weak explanation at best...

 

[BatLobster]

^ That terrible writing made a killing at the BO :P

Wouldn't be the first time

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, don't buy it... he either have control or he doesn't.. remember, he's been the HULK for a long, long time... he doesn't just 'suddenly' be able to control it, no matter how much the writers want him to... it's just terrible writing...

I think he had already mastered it. But as I said above, he was in an extremely high stress situation (the floor had just literally been blown out beneath him, he was in pain etc) and Loki was seriously messing with him, hence why he subconsciously picked up the scepter. That's why when he Hulks out on the carrier, it's an out of control Hulk.

They didn't come out and blatantly tell you this, but I thought it was all pretty clear.

 

[robot]

^ That terrible writing made a killing at the BO :P

Yup... all Kid movies make mega bucks (good writing or not)... like i said, it was good overall.. just that part made me go, 'WTF'...

Don't get me wrong... I liked Avengers... and laughed out loud several times, especially when he said, 'puny god'... it's just a very, very good pop-corn movie... just that Hulk Part trully bugged me...

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Another forum response- I got to see it on Wednesday (perks of owning a comic book store!), and it's incredible. No spoilers, but it's right up there with Dark Knight and Avengers as my favorite comic movies ever. This isn't a constant Reeves homage, nor creeper Superman. The action is mind-boggling.

 

[Autonet]

I think Banner at that point wasn't really on-board with the whole team thing. Right before that, they all question why they are making weapons, and he found out that holding pen was meant to hold the Hulk and not Loki. I think he let himself rampage.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

"Obviously with Man of Steel you can&#8217;t go longer than 2:20, that&#8217;s the length the studio wants.

SNYDER: And that works for an audience, you know.

Yeah like 2:20 is max, a lot of people tap out."

I wonder what the deleted scene was. Also, Debby Snyder prefers 2D Imax. http://collider.com/deborah-snyder-man-of-steel-deleted-scenes-interview/

 

[davejames]

As much as I loved Avengers and some of the other Marvel movies, I've always found the world they exist in to be a little too comic booky for my taste. Everything's feels a bit too jokey and artificial, and you never get the sense that there's a real world happening outside of what those characters are doing.

What Man of Steel seems to be doing I like MUCH more-- setting a fantastic character in a believable, realistic world that you can actually imagine yourself being a part of.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Alright, you know what...I sorta buy it but it still feels poorly explained. It was one of those moments that kinda made me go "what?" when I first saw the movie, but I see where you guys are coming from. He learned to master his anger, etc. I guess I just thought he would have had to have at least tried it before to know he could still control it while in "Hulk mode". And if he knew he had mastered it, then it shouldn't have taken so much convincing from Tony to know that he could be a real asset to the team.

I digress, back on topic:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/06/05/iron-man-3-man-of-steel-movies/2160107/

Devin Faraci talkin' some more trash here.

Why would it bomb at BO?

 

[JangoNate]

Yeah, don't buy it... he either have control or he doesn't.. remember, he's been the HULK for a long, long time... he doesn't just 'suddenly' be able to control it, no matter how much the writers want him to... it's just terrible writing...

To each his own. I just know that by the end of TIH he was giving in to the Hulk while isolated and maybe continued to gain control, like what happened in Harlem. But on the helicarrier, afraid of being in such close quarters around people, and under the cube's manipulation we see a Hulk out of control as opposed to him embracing it at the end and having a bit more control.

Then again, I wasn't really thinking too much watching that film so it didn't bother me.