TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6

[FourteenthAngel]

CBM should be whatever they want to be as long as the good well-told stories. That what most critics don't to get really.

 

[Poni_Boy]

And I've seen it on the big screen! Twice!

We saw that movie for three reasons: it was a Disney movie (this was during the whole 90s animated renassiance), it was a musical (because how often does that happen?), and because Christian Bale was in it.

We would still see a movie that meet all three of those criteria.

The two of us saw Newsies on Broadway last summer, and as we were going into the theater we saw the news that Bale had visited the movie theater shooting victims in Aurora earlier that day.

My friend just said, "That's our boy..."

Newsies was so damn good. Seen it twice and would go back a third time. That and Peter and the Starcatcher were my favorite Broadway shows last year. Really looking forward to the touring company taking off so my friends around the country can see it too.

 

[danoyse]

Newsies was so damn good. Seen it twice and would go back a third time. That and Peter and the Starcatcher were my favorite Broadway shows last year. Really looking forward to the touring company taking off so my friends around the country can see it too.

Loved Peter and the Starcatcher! I saw that and Once in the same day, it was like theater perfection.

I saw Newsies twice as well, and I'd see it again in a heartbeat.

Just saw Matilda on Broadway, and I loved it. My mom just went back to see it again.

 

[Snark88]

Wow 57%

I'm starting to think it might actually go lower than what I was predicting, which was 55-69%.

Geez. You know i'm getting the feeling that it can't really be THAT bad.

 

[enquencle]

Oh I know, and I agree, it is sad. Particularly with Superman, because of how engrained Christopher Reeve and that portrayal is for most critics that age, they're just not going to understand a film about Superman where it isn't tongue in cheek or somewhat cheesy.

Exactly My thoughts, and it is shown in many reviews by top critics.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Critics don't like a movie I'm looking forward too.

I wonder what their sinister reason is?

 

[FourteenthAngel]

Wow 57%

I'm starting to think it might actually go lower than what I was predicting, which was 55-69%.

Geez. You know i'm getting the feeling that it can't really be THAT bad.

I am getting quite the opposite. That maybe there is some truth to all of this.

 

[davejames]

Peter Travers gives it 3 out of 4, calling it a "bumpy ride" but still very good overall. He's the one I usually agree with the most, so here's hoping I do this time as well.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/man-of-steel-20130613

 

[JackWhite]

I'm still pretty shocked with the current percentage on RT. But I'm still seeing it early next week with my buddy from work. Too dark? Too much action? Screw it, I will be the judge of that myself.

 

[FourteenthAngel]

I'm sorry pardon my french but how do you f*** up this bad? I mean the amount of talent this movie had, it seemed like you had to go out of your way or be really clumsy to screw this up.

Maybe Zack Synder and a few others just wasn't up to the job.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I'm sorry pardon my french but how do you f*** up this bad? I mean the amount of talent this movie had, it seemed like you had to go out of your way or be really clumsy to screw this up.

The Amazing Spider-Man?

 

[FourteenthAngel]

I totally agree about The Amazing Spider-Man.

lol. Though TASM wasn't a particularly strong film.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Critics don't like a movie I'm looking forward too.

I wonder what their sinister reason is?

Teh conspiracies

 

[Mjölnir]

I meant the stigma that some critics still have that comic book films should be "fun", fluffy, colorful movies.

The only recent superhero movies I can remember that aren't like that and didn't get great reviews are Watchmen and The Incredible Hulk. Neither of those two were praised by the audience either. The Batman trilogy is the most known for being dark and that's saluted a lot.

Are there any fan favorite dark superhero movies that was disliked by the critics?

 

[db85usa]

The positive reviews are coming in a lot quicker on RT but by God, that rotten score stays the same... what gives, eh?

 

[Jaspertian1105]

Critics choice is still sitting at 84/100. Not sure if they've updated it recently, but if they have, it would go to show that while it scores well people just have much higher expectations for Superman than they do for anything else

so what does that rating mean? pardon my ignorance, are this the same critics? its just strange that most of the reviews by non proffesional critics have been mostly positive, i mean 57%? thor was a better movie? iron man 2? sorry but i dont buy it, no matter how bad the editing can be in cant be worse than those, but of course different people different taste i guess

 

[Vid Electricz]

lol. Though TASM wasn't a particularly strong film.

It had the makings to be: Two brilliant young actors in Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone. Seasoned pros Dennis Leary, Martin Sheen and Sally Field. Up-and-coming director Marc Webb fresh off of his quirky, surprise hit 500 days of Summer.

What could go wrong?

Oh....

...

The only recent superhero movies I can remember that aren't like that and didn't get great reviews are Watchmen and The Incredible Hulk. Neither of those two were praised by the audience either. The Batman trilogy is the most known for being dark and that's saluted a lot.

Are there any fan favorite dark superhero movies that was disliked by the critics?

This fan loved Ang lee's version of the Hulk.

 

[db85usa]

so what does that rating mean? pardon my ignorance, are this the same critics? its just strange that most of the reviews by non proffesional critics have been mostly positive, i mean 57%? thor was a better movie? iron man 2? sorry but i dont buy it, no matter how bad the editing can be in cant be worse than those, but of course different people different taste i guess

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't a majority of BFCA members from news media/affiliates?

 

[Mjölnir]

This fan loved Ang lee's version of the Hulk.

On RT the critics rating is almost twice as high as the audience rating for that movie though.

 

[ElMariachi]

I can't emphasize this enough:

Iron Man 2 - 73%, Certified Fresh, Average Score: 6.5
Man of Steel - 57%, Average Score: 6.4

Expectations are everything.

Iron Man 2s expectations were far greater than MoS. It was expected to be the next TDK.

And the reason it has a higher RT score is because the movie was fun. Mainly because of RDJ and other actors that did a stellar job with the iffy writing. You don't have to make a superhero version of the Godfather, just a charming, funny film. This is what I feared with MoS. The character isn't Batman. The model for this franchise should have been Thor with a mix of Captain America.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

A couple hours from seeing MOS. I would be less than truthful if I didn't state that I'm a little bummed to see it hit the rotten status on rottentomatoes. It may sound silly to some, but I moved around a lot as a kid and it was hard to keep friends with that happening. I always had my Superman comics, cartoons, and shows to get me through some tough times. Since I have not seen it yet (missed my early screening because I ended up not going to that state for business trip) I will reserve full judgement for later. However I have made posts over the last year stating that I felt some reviewers would to the following : 1. Some will be negative because it is not connected to Donner/Reeve. 2. Some Marvel fan film critics will not be as into the Superman back story and legacy. 3. Even worse there is a bias that some people have against Superman because he is... Superman. They don't agree with his amount of powers, and expect him to be a boyscout all the time- ignoring the modernization of the character.That is all. I hope to have a good time with my wife and enjoy this movie. We have our Superman shirts ready!

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Iron Man 2s expectations were far greater than MoS. It was expected to be the next TDK.

And the reason it has a higher RT score is because the movie was fun. Mainly because of RDJ and other actors that did a stellar job with the iffy writing. You don't have to make a superhero version of the Godfather, just a charming, funny film. This is what I feared with MoS. The character isn't Batman. The model for this franchise should have been Thor with a mix of Captain America.

The model of MOS should be the sophistication of Begins, with the warm energy of Iron Man, with the spectacle of the Avengers. Okay, maybe that's asking too much :/

 

[OctaviusINC]

After scanning through RT's collection of reviews it seems like many don't seem to understand that MoS is supposed to be the start of a new Superman franchise. Not to mention many of these reviews seem to contradict themselves.

Other then that I've concluded that many reviewers' problems with the film seem to be that it's simply not the Christopher Reeve movies. I feel like most of these critics don't know enough about Superman in order to tell me what makes a good Superman movie.

I'd like for this to get great reviews...but as long as I think it's good I'll be okay. It's going to make great money that's for sure. And I'm sure a sequel will come of this which could always mean improvement.

Critic's reviews mean very little to me. They fawned over Avengers...which was a good blockbuster that could've been catastrophic. And I personally disliked IM3.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

Reviewers don't hate the movie. The bar is just much higher for Superman. As my comparison last page pointed out, Iron Man 2 only scored 0.1 higher on average, yet it's Certified Fresh. That's the problem with RT's dichotomous fresh/rotten scale. A Superman movie of comparably quality to, say, a Captain America movie is always going to score lower on the "freshness" scale because the expectations are that much higher for Supes.

That would make sense if we didn't have Metacritic,which only counts Top Critics and adds the quality of the scores,not the quantity.

And there,Man of Steel has a score of 55.Out of 41 reviews,it has only one review with a score over 87,one 100.

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/man-of-steel


For the sake of comparison,The Dark Knight had a score of 82 with 16 100's,Spider-Man 2 had a score of 83 with 11 100's,Superman Returns 72,with 4 100's and your film of choice Iron Man 2 had a score of 57,with no 100's basically just a little over MoS.

It's not my intention to belittle MoS,i can't wait to see it but the reviews are not on it's side at all...and unless there's some big conspiracy against it,a 55 on MC is not very promising about it's quality.

One critic can be biased,even 5 but no passion by any top critic is certainly not something i would have believed a week ago.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That would make sense if we didn't have Metacritic,which only counts Top Critics and adds the quality of the scores,not the quantity.

And there,Man of Steel has a score of 55.Out of 41 reviews,it has only one review with a score over 87,one 100.

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/man-of-steel


For the sake of comparison,The Dark Knight had a score of 82 with 16 100's,Spider-Man 2 had a score of 83 with 11 100's,Superman Returns 72,with 4 100's and your film of choice Iron Man 2 had a score of 57,with no 100's basically just a little over MoS.

It's not my intention to belittle MoS,i can't wait to see it but the reviews are not on it's side at all...and unless there's some big conspiracy against it,a 55 on MC is not very promising about it's quality.

One critic can be biased,even 5 but no passion by any top critic is certainly not something i would have believed a week ago.

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