TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6

[Str8 Rippin]

Critics choice is still sitting at 84/100. Not sure if they've updated it recently, but if they have, it would go to show that while it scores well people just have much higher expectations for Superman than they do for anything else.

 

[robot]

Reviewers don't hate the movie. The bar is just much higher for Superman. As my comparison last page pointed out, Iron Man 2 only scored 0.1 higher on average, yet it's Certified Fresh. That's the problem with RT's dichotomous fresh/rotten scale. A Superman movie of comparably quality to, say, a Captain America movie is always going to score lower on the "freshness" scale because the expectations are that much higher for Supes.

Exactly the reason why the 'fresh/rotten' approach is all wrong... This gives the Critics too much power to sway a movie into 'rotten territory' even when overall, they liked it, buy may have 1 or 2 complains..

I still prefer the cumulative grading method..

 

[DanSupKP37]

Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe just maybe it is because it wasn't really that great of a film in the first place?

That was inferred in my post smart guy.. That is why I asked

 

[Sup3rman81]

Yup...

And RT has become a joke, really.

http://m.latino-review.com/2013/06/12/el-mayimbes-thoughts-man-steel/

This review sums it up best for all the people who love it and the ones who want to pan it

 

[danoyse]

Recently I've disagreed with RT on John Carter, on Star Trek Into Darkness, on The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey... and over time I've come to disagree with TDKR's high rating. That's four recent major blockbusters. I find I often don't align with critics on superhero movies and fantasy movies, because I have totally different criteria for those movies than they do.

EDIT: Oh, and I liked "Oz the Great and Powerful" and "Jack Reacher" as well. I disagree with RT more than I thought I did!

The Hobbit is my favorite book. I loved the movie, and I can't wait for the new one.

Never looked at RT for that movie.

 

[JackWhite]

First of all, if you actually look at some of these "negative" reviews, on their actual site, they're rating it B- or C+, 2 stars out of 4, things of that nature, which to me doesn't equate to a rotten rating.

But more importantly, I think this is a way for critics to stand up to what they see as a trend of the darker, more somber superhero movie which to them is always gonna make a movie about a comic book terrible, no matter it's true quality. To them, it has to be silly or else, especially something like Superman.

That's really sad. I doubt the comic book film will ever truly break out of that negative light with most critics. It's not even like MOS looks like it's ripping off TDK. Sure, it looks more grounded and character based, but that's a good thing. MOS doesn't look dark at all, IMO.

 

[danoyse]

That was inferred in my post smart guy.. That is why I asked

Settle down, please.

 

[db85usa]

Great analysis via Yahoo Movies Weekend Picks, haha

http://movies.yahoo.com/weekend-picks/?vp=1#0613

 

[FourteenthAngel]

That was inferred in my post smart guy.. That is why I asked

Calm down, never meant to hurt ya or anything. I was just trying to make a point.

 

[Autonet]

That's really sad. I doubt the comic book film will ever truly break out of that negative light with most critics. It's not even like MOS looks like it's ripping off TDK. Sure, it looks more grounded and character based, but that's a good thing. MOS doesn't look dark at all, IMO.

CBM's are in a negative light with critics? I think overall it's pretty positive. I don't see how them not liking MoS suddenly turns the light negative.

 

[danoyse]

Is it bad that I like Howard The Duck?

....

....to each his own.

Of course it's fine. I actually saw that in the movie theater...

I saw Newsies in the movie theater. Me and my best friend were the only people there. But we thought it was the greatest, and came back to see it again with some friends the next night. Again, we were the only people there.

I still love that movie. And now it's a big hit Broadway show now, so we'd been right about it all along.

 

[spund]

Calm down, never meant to hurt ya or anything. I was just trying to make a point.

Maybe, but a condescending-flavored point nonetheless.

 

[Tra-El]

My good, GOOD buddy who I trust more than ANYBODY. We have the same taste in Superman and he's been a Superman collector for decades. His thoughts:

Thanks Travis, yeah I don't understand the negative reviews at all. Trust me as a fellow Superman fan i think you'll love it as much as i did. Not long till you see it buddy!!!! Hope you manage to check out my review afterwards.
Can't wait to chat about it with you

With that, signing off. I'll see you guys tonight with my opinions and review. Regardless, going to be a blast! Until then...#TEAM SUPERMAN!

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

http://www.toofab.com/2013/06/13/man-of-steel-movie-review/
Another decent, but conflicting review. "Everything a good superhero should be..but the characters get abandoned?" 3.5/5

 

[FourteenthAngel]

That's really sad. I doubt the comic book film will ever truly break out of that negative light with most critics. It's not even like MOS looks like it's ripping off TDK. Sure, it looks more grounded and character based, but that's a good thing. MOS doesn't look dark at all, IMO.

CBM will always be in this sort of sci-fi ghetto (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScifiGhetto) that will always hinder their success. I mean they are more mainstream now but it will never shred that persona. But It okay. I will continue to enjoy CBM regardless.

Maybe, but a condescending-flavored point nonetheless.

I never really meant to be condescending so I am sorry that I came across as such.

 

[Poni_Boy]

....

....to each his own.

Of course it's fine. I actually saw that in the movie theater...

I saw Newsies in the movie theater. Me and my best friend were the only people there. But we thought it was the greatest, and came back to see it again with some friends the next night. Again, we were the only people there.

I still love that movie. And now it's a big hit Broadway show now, so we'd been right about it all along.

Christian Bale singing and dancing

 

[ThePhantasm]

CBM's are in a negative light with critics? I think overall it's pretty positive. I don't see how them not liking MoS suddenly turns the light negative.

Its hard to say really. I do read some reviews every now and then after I see a superhero movie and come across critics saying things about how they are tired of the genre. I don't know that it is true of all the critics though as there are quite a few superhero films that continue to do well both critically and financially.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Nerdreacter person liked it and gave it an A-. Of course, he was at the premiere so he probably isn't objective. Also Kevin Smith liked it.

 

[Doc Samson]

That's really sad. I doubt the comic book film will ever truly break out of that negative light with most critics. It's not even like MOS looks like it's ripping off TDK. Sure, it looks more grounded and character based, but that's a good thing. MOS doesn't look dark at all, IMO.

Oh I know, and I agree, it is sad. Particularly with Superman, because of how engrained Christopher Reeve and that portrayal is for most critics that age, they're just not going to understand a film about Superman where it isn't tongue in cheek or somewhat cheesy.

 

[Sup3rman81]

Critics choice is still sitting at 84/100. Not sure if they've updated it recently, but if they have, it would go to show that while it scores well people just have much higher expectations for Superman than they do for anything else.

I respect their method of ratings before I would RT. RT is too flawed a system

 

[FourteenthAngel]

Its hard to say really. I do read some reviews every now and then after I see a superhero movie and come across critics saying things about how they are tired of the genre. I don't know that it is true of all the critics though as there are quite a few superhero films that continue to do well both critically and financially.

The is generally some CBM are more than just good superhero movies are a just good movies in general so of-course it going to get much due praise. However, I will do think this mindset is going to go away anytime soon. CBM are always going have this stigma around them.

 

[enquencle]

IDK about that. Batman Begins did a hell of a job erasing former (BF / B&R) perceptions of the character. Hell - the TDK Trilogy has done a better job at lowering the amount of BAM! POW! SNICKT! ideals than Burtons did.

Same with Star Trek 09. Focused on the characters and making them the stars of the film. Not the explosions.

- Jow

Well, Batman had it A LOT easier after the campfest that B&R was. The direction it had to take was pretty clear, and the character is easier to interpret in different ways.

Superman is trickier to adapt and modernize, when people is so used to something specific.

We all knew about Snyder weaknesses, and characterization is one of them.

Perhaps with.an.extra writer who helps.flesh out the characters (Jonah Nolan perhaps) that changes. The right elements are already there, they just need to be worked.

 

[danoyse]

Christian Bale singing and dancing

And I've seen it on the big screen! Twice!

We saw that movie for three reasons: it was a Disney movie (this was during the whole 90s animated renassiance), it was a musical (because how often does that happen?), and because Christian Bale was in it.

We would still see a movie that meet all three of those criteria.

The two of us saw Newsies on Broadway last summer, and as we were going into the theater we saw the news that Bale had visited the movie theater shooting victims in Aurora earlier that day.

My friend just said, "That's our boy..."

 

[db85usa]

Is it bad that I like Howard The Duck?

....

....to each his own.

Well said

 

[JackWhite]

CBM's are in a negative light with critics? I think overall it's pretty positive. I don't see how them not liking MoS suddenly turns the light negative.

I meant the stigma that some critics still have that comic book films should be "fun", fluffy, colorful movies.