The Dark Knight Rises Tom Hardy as Bane IX

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Wonder how all that weight gain/loss does to his tattoos.

Well, as I've recently bulked up (not as much as Hardy) my tatt's are fine so far.

Sometimes when the skin is stretched you can see the bits that need re-coloured though, especially if they are big pieces.
 
What exactly are we all fighting about here? From what I gather, a lot of people seem to basically want the same thing out of Bane, yet we're having one of those "slow news day" arguments where it seems nobody has any particular point they are trying to make beyond, "You wrote this post, and because I am arguing with you, I now have to find a way to disagree with what you say!"

JAK argues that this idea of people wanting Bane made bigger using CGI is a fictional viewpoint. I don't think that's the case, as I've seen people say it. But saying it is, then I'd say it's just as "fictional" a strawman view of the opposition to characterise anyone as being specifically AGAINST Nolan using any camera techniques to make Bane more visually intimidating, or actively campaigning for Bane to be filmed in a manner that specifically makes him shorter than Batman. I don't see anyone fighting for that, but with the way JAK is writing it seems that's what he's arguing against.

The middle ground that most of us seem to inhabit is that Bane doesn't need to be a massive giant, but he should be a physical threat to Batman, and if certain tricks - be it Tom Hardy bulking up or being filmed with a low-angled camera or having lifts in his boots - are used to enhance that effect, then fair dos.

the way i see it is this. people want bane to appear slightly bigger than batman. this gets mistranslated into people asking for 9 foot tall cgi bane. and the cycle of the argument continues....
 
All I know is, if in some alternate universe Nolan had cast a 6'4 actor as Bane, there will be absolutely no-one here who would say "you know, I wish that Bane was shorter than Batman".
 
JAK®;21052889 said:
I'm just tired of the whole apologist mentality. We have a character who has always been known for his size. We have an actor who can get big but is lacking in the height department. And Nolan has put those two together. At this stage, we don't know how he has managed to reconcile the differences.

So some people, in some sort of blind devotion to Nolan, are trying to convince us that no, Bane being bigger than Batman isn't a big deal, and never has been. Revisionist history is a common tactic for apologists. And that's what bothers me.

See, what bugs me is this notion that anyone who likes a creative decision or the look of a character can't actualy like it, but in fact they are only pretending to like it out of blind devotion to Christopher Nolan. Calling anyone who likes something you don't like "apologists" is just as ridiculous as calling anyone who hates something you like saboteurs who are just willing the movie to fail because they secretly hate Batman.

I don't know how "revisionist" this history is, but I remember a lot of discussions on the Batboards in the past:

Ra's is the wrong ethnicity (first with Watanabe, then when we found out he was played by Neeson), he's going to be unrecognisable as Ra's al Ghul!

Liam Neeson's performance is generally well received.

They got some pretty boy kid to play Jonathan Crane! And he isn't even dressed like a Scarecrow! It's nothing like the Scarecrow from the comics!

Cillian Murphy gives us a convincing portrayal of Scarecrow that totally captures the spirit of how he is in the comics.

Heath Ledger's too young! He's too chubby! No way he'll be physically convincing as The Joker!

Then when we got pics of him....

The Joker is supposed to be permawhite! The Joker's hair looks more blonde than green! The Joker doesn't have scars! The Joker's supposed to be classy, not like this hobo Joker! Where are all the prank-themed gadgets? Knives? LAME! JINO! JINO!

Heath Ledger wins an Oscar for a brilliant, definitive portrayal of The Joker.

Can't comment too much on Two-Face, as so much about him was kept under wraps right up until the movie's release. But you get the idea. I've seen this time and time again over the course of this franchise, people panicking that Nolan doesn't have a clue about these characters, that the look is so wrong that there's no way the essence of the character can possibly be captured. If you dare try to defend this crap, you're a blind fanboy sheep apologist. And time and time again, these people are proven wrong.
 
JAK®;21052921 said:
All I know is, if in some alternate universe Nolan had cast a 6'4 actor as Bane, there will be absolutely no-one here who would say "you know, I wish that Bane was shorter than Batman".

I am sure somebody would say, I wish they got a better actor. Nobody could say that about Hardy.
 
Sorry Jak, but any "apologists" as you put it who have too much faith in nolan, well I would say that they have the right to be that way. The man has delivered the two best batman flicks by far and his villians have been pretty awesome and faithful to the comics in their own way. So Id say your skepticism is the thing that should be viewed with a grain of salt.
 
Sorry Jak, but any "apologists" as you put it who have too much faith in nolan, well I would say that they have the right to be that way. The man has delivered the two best batman flicks by far and his villians have been pretty awesome and faithful to the comics in their own way. So Id say your skepticism is the thing that should be viewed with a grain of salt.

Good point. So far at least, with this franchise, history has favored the optimists over the skeptics.
 
Now Chris Nolan won't get a Oscar is because Tom Hardy was too short!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've screwed yourself, Nolan! :doh:
 
Now Chris Nolan won't get a Oscar is because Tom Hardy was too short!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've screwed yourself, Nolan! :doh:

I know this was exaggerated for comedic effect, but there's a point here. Regardless of disagreements over the visuals and their comics accuracy, I imagine Tom Hardy's height will, in the end, have about as much impact on the quality of The Dark Knight Rises as the color of Heath Ledger's neckline had on The Dark Knight.
 
See, what bugs me is this notion that anyone who likes a creative decision or the look of a character can't actualy like it, but in fact they are only pretending to like it out of blind devotion to Christopher Nolan.
It just seems so convenient. "Oh, I've never seen Bane as being a bug guy" ********. They just don't care because they are more interested in Nolan's ideas than the character, which is fine, just don't pretend that those who are more interested in the characters are wrong.
Calling anyone who likes something you don't like "apologists" is just as ridiculous as calling anyone who hates something you like saboteurs who are just willing the movie to fail because they secretly hate Batman.
But that's the thing, I like this Bane, provided that steps are made to make Hardy taller, which seems to be the case.

I don't know how "revisionist" this history is, but I remember a lot of discussions on the Batboards in the past:

Ra's is the wrong ethnicity (first with Watanabe, then when we found out he was played by Neeson), he's going to be unrecognisable as Ra's al Ghul!

Liam Neeson's performance is generally well received.
Ra's ethnicity has always been ambiguous in the comics. But Neeson resembled Ra's so it worked.

They got some pretty boy kid to play Jonathan Crane! And he isn't even dressed like a Scarecrow! It's nothing like the Scarecrow from the comics!
Cillian Murphy gives us a convincing portrayal of Scarecrow that totally captures the spirit of how he is in the comics.
Scarecrow had the mask, which has always been the main point of his constantly changing design. Murphy's appearance made sense when it turned out he has a talent for looking completely insane.

Heath Ledger's too young! He's too chubby! No way he'll be physically convincing as The Joker!
Then when we got pics of him....

The Joker is supposed to be permawhite! The Joker's hair looks more blonde than green! The Joker doesn't have scars! The Joker's supposed to be classy, not like this hobo Joker! Where are all the prank-themed gadgets? Knives? LAME! JINO! JINO!
Yeah, some fans are too early to jump the gun. In the end, all of those things were present in the character, and it was a quite faithful, albeit different, adaptation.

But I also remember the arguments against the complaints. Like how it was obvious that the Joker would wear a black trenchcoat, purple would never work in Nolan's universe. How he has never relied on gadgets, that he was never classy, which were all lies. I think that's worse than petty complaints. If it's so certain that things will turn out fine, then why spend so much time defending them? People just need to wait and see.

Can't comment too much on Two-Face, as so much about him was kept under wraps right up until the movie's release. But you get the idea. I've seen this time and time again over the course of this franchise, people panicking that Nolan doesn't have a clue about these characters, that the look is so wrong that there's no way the essence of the character can possibly be captured. If you dare try to defend this crap, you're a blind fanboy sheep apologist. And time and time again, these people are proven wrong.

You know who else are proven wrong? The apologists that say the comic version will never work, and then Nolan delivers an interpretation closer to the comic than they thought. I'm glad you brought up Two-Face. The apologists had already come up with reasons why his comic appearance would never work. And then Nolan delivered a perfect Two-Face.

In the end, it's just a giant circle of stupidity, but I respect the whiny purists more, because at least they have their priorities straight, the apologists change their tastes to suit the needs of what they are defending.
 
I am sure somebody would say, I wish they got a better actor. Nobody could say that about Hardy.
What if this entirely hypothetical actor was better than Hardy? Are you saying that being 6'4 makes you a worse actor? In that case, why did Nolan cast Liam Neeson in Begins?

Sorry Jak, but any "apologists" as you put it who have too much faith in nolan, well I would say that they have the right to be that way. The man has delivered the two best batman flicks by far and his villians have been pretty awesome and faithful to the comics in their own way. So Id say your skepticism is the thing that should be viewed with a grain of salt.
Faith is fine, blind faith is not. People had 'faith' in Raimi for Spider-Man 3. Blind faith leads people to defend a short Bane.

As for my 'scepticism', I've never doubted Nolan, in fact I have faith in Nolan. It's just not blind.
 
Now Chris Nolan won't get a Oscar is because Tom Hardy was too short!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've screwed yourself, Nolan! :doh:
And this is just stupid hyperbole. If you can't bother debating intelligently, then don't comment.
 
I really like his look. A bit iffy on the knee pads, but great still.
 
JAK®;21053201 said:
And this is just stupid hyperbole. If you can't bother debating intelligently, then don't comment.

Do you like anything about these movies? It just seems to me that you come to these boards everyday and just post about everything you hate about the movie.

When I heard that Bane was the villain, I thought "well that's gonna be tough to pull off, but I'm sure Nolan can do it because he surprised me with every other villain so far..." -- does that count as blind faith? Am I an apologist because I love the Bane design? No, I just think it looks badass and I'm excited to see it in motion.
 
JAK®;21052889 said:
I'm just tired of the whole apologist mentality. We have a character who has always been known for his size. We have an actor who can get big but is lacking in the height department. And Nolan has put those two together. At this stage, we don't know how he has managed to reconcile the differences.

So some people, in some sort of blind devotion to Nolan, are trying to convince us that no, Bane being bigger than Batman isn't a big deal, and never has been. Revisionist history is a common tactic for apologists. And that's what bothers me.

So what I'm really arguing about is the people who will use any means necessary to make sure that Nolan is always completely right in his decisions, regardless of the fact whether they even know what that decision is.

You're right, we really are arguing about nothing. But only because some people can't handle the smallest complaint.
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I couldn't agree with this more....All of it.
Well said.:cwink:

It reminds me of some of the stuff people were saying after Two-Face was announced for TDK.
"Half of his face doesn't need to be messed up! It's just going to be a mental scarring thing. It's moar realistic!"
...And look what we got.
Bane NEEDS to be a bit bigger than batman.It's always been one of his main things.Saying that it's not necessary is pretty dumb.
 
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Do you like anything about these movies? It just seems to me that you come to these boards everyday and just post about everything you hate about the movie.

Jak's complimented the movies quite a few times in his last several posts alone.
 
JAK®;21053189 said:
What if this entirely hypothetical actor was better than Hardy?

Tell me an actor that is that tall, and is better than Hardy for Bane. Hardy got this role b/c of what he did in Bronson, and how menacing he was.

You questioning the look, is no different than what happened with Heath in the TDK. I even talked to people in a comic book shop who were complaining thats not the joker with the scars and the skin, and then they see the movie. Its the greatest comic book villian ever and he wins oscar.
 
JAK®;21053201 said:
And this is just stupid hyperbole. If you can't bother debating intelligently, then don't comment.

I should say the same for you :funny:
 
Credit to Subaru for this:

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Credit to Subaru for this:

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Awesome! Is that the same Batsuit as The Dark Knight? Looks a little bit redesigned to me, chunkier, maybe with a bit more gray in it. But maybe that's just my bad memory playing tricks on me.

This should also be a good reference for Batman/Bane size discussion.
 
Wow, on that picture. Isn't a like incredibly hot right now in Pittsburgh? I bet both of them are miserable.
 
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