Supergirl Tyler Hoechlin IS Superman - Part 1

[Osiris-Rex]

According to trolls who...I really hate with a passion, but, they might have a point here...this Monday's episode of Supergirl, post-Superman, is when the ratings will drop. And I mean really drop.

I sorta have this thought, this point of view theory, that deep down inside, regardless of how good the show could be, people don't want Supergirl without Superman in it. If Supergirl had Superman as a supporting character, someone who could appear in most of a season, but the series and its story still on her because its still her show, no problems at all. The reason isn't because she's a girl, its because of her connection. A connection that cannot be severed. I mean we all love Tim Drake's Robin, but a Robin series won't work unless Batman is in it too. Even with the same rules that he's a supporting character on the show who appears in most of the season, and the series itself still focuses on Robin as he is the show's main star. Same thing here.

I want the show to succeed further and continue on, and not be cancelled due to low ratings that won't support it anymore. But I feel that the show needs Superman to be part of the show full time in order to do that. And TBH, I want Superman on the show permanently too. But that's just me and my theory.

Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow set the bar pretty low for the CW.

Superhero week ratings score for this week:
Gotham 1.2
Lucifer 1.1
Flash 1.0
Supergirl 0.9
Agents of SHIELD 0.7
Arrow 0.6
Legends of Tomorrow 0.6


So even if Supergirl drops to a 0.6 - 0.7, she is still in good shape. A 0.5 or less will be cause for worry.

 

[Kelly]

The CW's threshold is well below 0.5.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

I am curious. Do you think if Supergirl stayed on CBS that we would have seen Superman this season?

 

[Kelly]

I am curious. Do you think if Supergirl stayed on CBS that we would have seen Superman this season?

No......licensing fees

 

[Binker]

I am curious. Do you think if Supergirl stayed on CBS that we would have seen Superman this season?

It was in the plan all along.

 

[Kelly]

It was in the plan all along.

Not for CBS...not after they found out they weren't getting the tax exemption they were planning on from the State of California. If it was on the table, which I highly doubt (and no one has ever indicated that it was) it was pulled off at that point.

It would have cost them HUGE BUCKS to use Superman...

 

[Osiris-Rex]

DC's Legends of Tomorrow went up 0.1 in the final ratings so

Superhero week ratings score for this week:
Gotham 1.2
Lucifer 1.1
Flash 1.0
Supergirl 0.9
Marvel's Agents of SHIELD 0.7
DC's Legends of Tomorrow 0.7
Arrow 0.6

 

[vantheman77]

DC's Legends of Tomorrow went up 0.1 in the final ratings so

Superhero week ratings score for this week:
Gotham 1.2
Lucifer 1.1
Flash 1.0
Supergirl 0.9
Marvel's Agents of SHIELD 0.7
DC's Legends of Tomorrow 0.7
Arrow 0.6

Wow, seeing Arrow at the bottom must be a first. Supergirl and Flash are the top 2 shows for CW as its president predicted.

 

[LL2K2]

No......licensing fees

The #1 reason for the move to The CW, if I remember correctly. Warner Bros., the "W" in The CW, owns the rights to DC Comics characters. CBS, the "C," does not.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[Dr.]

No......licensing fees

The #1 reason for the move to The CW, if I remember correctly. Warner Bros., the "W" in The CW, owns the rights to DC Comics characters. CBS, the "C," does not.

I’m curious how that works.

On the one hand, it seems obvious enough that a company should enjoy the financial perks of an IP that it owns (as opposed to an IP that it doesn’t own and has to rent). Therefore, the CW appears to be in a better position with respect to Supergirl/Superman than, say, NBC was with Constantine.

On the other, DC has to make money and justify its existence to its parent company (WB). And one of DC’s assets is its valuable cache of superhero IP. So if Mattel wants to sell Batman action figures, a contract is signed and DC pockets the licensing fee. Likewise, DC gets $$ if Fox comes calling to make a Gotham or Lucifer TV series. But as many describe it, DC gets bupkis if the CW decides to do Arrow or The Flash or etc. What, then, is DC’s incentive to “sell” licensing to CW for free? Why wouldn’t DC always sell to Fox, NBC, etc. - because that’s where the big/actual money is?

I suspect that Berlanti productions does pay licensing to DC. But perhaps it’s at a discount; or perhaps there are other in-house “credits” that offset at least some of the licensing fees...

 

[Kelly]

One of CBS' biggest set backs money wise is the fact that it didn't/doesn't own "Supergirl"....that alone always demands higher viewership/ratings than a networks other shows...it doesn't have that big hurdle to jump like it did at CBS.


This article talks about it a little bit.... http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/05/could-a-move-to-the-cw-rescue-supergirl

Honestly, CBS (which was a weird place for the show to begin with) under different leadership, gave the show its launch....once that leadership changed mid-season....it seemed that CBS was ready to go back to the type shows that it had before....ie: "Bull" another procedural type show, and an enormous number of sitcoms with male leads...so they did.

 

[Cobblepot]

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/superg...-starring-tyler-hoechlin-as-the-man-of-steel/


92% of voters want a tv spin off for Hoechlin. 8% said they'd rather stick with Cavill.

That poll does not say anything at all.
It only has two choices, 1. do you want a superman serial 2. no, just the movies.

I love Cavill's Superman, but I would also like to see a Superman series. Now what do I choose in that poll? Everyone would choose option one, since the movies are already a given.

 

[BH/HHH]

Awesome

 

[LL2K2]

That poll does not say anything at all.
It only has two choices, 1. do you want a superman serial 2. no, just the movies.

I love Cavill's Superman, but I would also like to see a Superman series. Now what do I choose in that poll? Everyone would choose option one, since the movies are already a given.

That poll definitely needs more options. I would have gone with:

- Yes! Absolutely!
- Yes, but not right now.
- Not sure yet.
- No! Absolutely not!

 

[Superchan]

Thanks for the image sequence herolee but I have to say that S curl on baby kal is just silly! It kinda reminds me of Brandon Routh's laughable S curl in SR.

 

[Kelly]

And the fact that that is a girl, not a boy....lol

 

[Boy Scout]

It looks even sillier now that we've seen Superman as a grown man and he doesn't have it.

 

[Herolee10]

And the fact that that is a girl, not a boy....lol

Well, now there's one woman who'll be able to someday say that she played a version of Superman at some point in history.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Thanks for the image sequence herolee but I have to say that S curl on baby kal is just silly! It kinda reminds me of Brandon Routh's laughable S curl in SR.

Yeah, it looks super silly

 

[Herolee10]

If anything, I just hope that we'll get to see Tyler's Superman interact with some of the other "Arrowverse" Heroes in the near future.

As I said before, I'm glad that they aren't able to have their own Superman show for the CW network because as much as I had enjoyed Tyler's superman, I feel like there would be a lot of potential/future headaches for us fans if these guys were given full control over Superman's character.

A lot of the stuff that we've seen from Supergirl, DC's Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow, and The Flash have bee hits and misses. Who knows what the producers would do or what they would change for their interpretation.

 

[LL2K2]

If anything, I just hope that we'll get to see Tyler's Superman interact with some of the other "Arrowverse" Heroes in the near future.

The upcoming crossover event would be one of several possibilities. However, there has not (as of yet) been any confirmation this is true - unless Berlanti and Company are keeping it tightly under wraps.

As I said before, I'm glad that they aren't able to have their own Superman show for the CW network because as much as I had enjoyed Tyler's superman, I feel like there would be a lot of potential/future headaches for us fans if these guys were given full control over Superman's character.

A lot of the stuff that we've seen from Supergirl, DC's Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow, and The Flash have bee hits and misses. Who knows what the producers would do or what they would change for their interpretation.

To name but a few of those headaches:

- First, The CW lineup is pretty stacked for this season, and it will get even more crowded mid-season.
- Second, Greg Berlanti has a ton of projects he's working on, which will expand further with Riverdale coming mid-season to The CW, and a possible Black Lightning series for FOX.

 

[Herolee10]

The upcoming crossover event would be one of several possibilities. However, there has not (as of yet) been any confirmation this is true - unless Berlanti and Company are keeping it tightly under wraps.



To name but a few of those headaches:

- First, The CW lineup is pretty stacked for this season, and it will get even more crowded mid-season.
- Second, Greg Berlanti has a ton of projects he's working on, which will expand further with Riverdale coming mid-season to The CW, and a possible Black Lightning series for FOX.

1. I think it was confirmed by Greg and Andrew that Superman won't be in this year's crossover and that he hasn't been confirmed for any other episodes in Season 2, thus far. They're actually in the process of "trying" to get Warner Bros into letting them use the character once more later on in the season. If they are successful, the earliest that we can expect to see him again will be in the second half of the season.

2. The headaches that I was talking about were the potential creative choices that they would make when it came to adapting Superman's story. I mean if they made a Superman show as well (regardless of their schedule and Superman's availability on network television), think about all of the ways that they could potentially screw things up with their narrative choices? Look at how bad they've done when it's come to portraying romance on their shows. Jimmy and Kara is a boring concept, Felicity and Oliver are a cancer to "Arrow", and Barry and Iris are as about as Forced of a romance like Anakin Skywalker's lines to Padme in "Attack of the Clones".

 

[Superchan]

And the fact that that is a girl, not a boy....lol

Incidentally so was baby kal in superman the movie!

 

[Superchan]

1. I think it was confirmed by Greg and Andrew that Superman won't be in this year's crossover and that he hasn't been confirmed for any other episodes in Season 2, thus far. They're actually in the process of "trying" to get Warner Bros into letting them use the character once more later on in the season. If they are successful, the earliest that we can expect to see him again will be in the second half of the season.

2. The headaches that I was talking about were the potential creative choices that they would make when it came to adapting Superman's story. I mean if they made a Superman show as well (regardless of their schedule and Superman's availability on network television), think about all of the ways that they could potentially screw things up with their narrative choices? Look at how bad they've done when it's come to portraying romance on their shows. Jimmy and Kara is a boring concept, Felicity and Oliver are a cancer to "Arrow", and Barry and Iris are as about as Forced of a romance like Anakin Skywalker's lines to Padme in "Attack of the Clones".

Right on, that's why I don't want to see a CW superman show (as much as I loved Hoechlyn's superman), but I would perfectly ok with a limited series of some sorts.