Sequels Vanderbilt Talks Spider-Man 4!

[Tempest19]

EDIT: My mistake, nm.

And the Carnage script I'm working on is definitely R and along the names of the movies you listed, prominently 'Zodiac' which is why I posted the notice above.

Don't want him in SM4 though, and don't think they could give this guy the film he NEEDS without being R. Lizard should be in SM4 solo, in my opinion. He has a rich enough and deep enough character to use without getting bogged down with having to serve Kraven on top of all that.

Carnages main goal: ANARCHY.

His victims bothered him in some way. Somebody cuts him in line and laughs- they die. Somebody calls him a name- they die. Even if they're complete strangers. Which to me is scary. I mention this because his motives are just "bother me, you die" due to the whole family thing, the catholic school with the old priests and even the girl that looked at him funny. Seems like he went from that point and it became more of a fun game for him. A really sick disturbing character. He's someone that just snapped to the ultimate degree. There's no way that can be shown or explored to the depth it needs to be in a PG-13 film.

 

[Visionary]

no. they have a movie with Emo Peter dancing. Venom was in it for like 6 min. we blinked and he wasn't there anymore. I won't get through the whole R-rated thing again. just look to my posts if you want to see what I have to say.
and Carnage would be killing people in like one or two scenes. most of the time he would be fighting Spidey. it seems hard for most of you to get. Carnage doesn't need to be bad just because of Venom. they screwed Venom by changing him too much and giving little screen time. since there will be only two villains this time, Carnage would have a lot more screen time. as much as Lizard.
why not wait for SM5?
well, because the symbiote is already there. have the characteristics of Peter. it's half way done, already. we just need Kassidy. also, the connection between Carnage and Connors is already there, too. Connors has the symbiote. by his researches in the symbiote, he learns how to makes his cells spread (since the symbiote can spread in it's host), so he doesn't destroy it, he keep feeding it. his obsession would become the doom of many. I think this would explore the theme acceptance. but fear would be pretty good, too.
better story also. it's all just a way of seeing things. there's so many good ideas ideas.
I like Kraven, I really do. but I want them to finish the symbiote story for good before they start with others.

I've read your PG-13 Carnage...no thanks. I'd rather he not show up at all. And I see where you're going with your story, but they would never put a serial killer in Spider-Man. Do you want to see them change Kassidy into a bank robber or something, because that's what is going to happen. I can't even imagine any of the characters (especially JJJ) in a Spider-Man film actually talking about a serial killer, someone who like to murder families and children for fun. It's a shame, we should be able to imagine it, but not the way these films cater to kids, it is unfortunate.

The reason you have EMO Peter and dancing, and them not being able to take the films in a dark direction when need be, is because they cater so much to children. That's the mindset of Marvel/Sony when it come to Spider-Man. One that I would like to kill dead!

EDIT: My mistake, nm.

And the Carnage script I'm working on is definitely R and along the names of the movies you listed, prominently 'Zodiac' which is why I posted the notice above.

Don't want him in SM4 though, and don't think they could give this guy the film he NEEDS without being R. Lizard should be in SM4 solo, in my opinion. He has a rich enough and deep enough character to use without getting bogged down with having to serve Kraven on top of all that.

Carnages main goal: ANARCHY.

His victims bothered him in some way. Somebody cuts him in line and laughs- they die. Somebody calls him a name- they die. Even if they're complete strangers. Which to me is scary. I mention this because his motives are just "bother me, you die" due to the whole family thing, the catholic school with the old priests and even the girl that looked at him funny. Seems like he went from that point and it became more of a fun game for him. A really sick disturbing character. He's someone that just snapped to the ultimate degree. There's no way that can be shown or explored to the depth it needs to be in a PG-13 film.

Well, you seem to understand what it takes to make a Spidey film with Carnage in it. He just can't be done under a PG-13 rating, unless you want a really watered-down character.

And about The Lizard being the only villain, I agree with you, except it was already stated that they're using two villains.

 

[Tempest19]

Oh, didn't know they stated that for sure yet. Hopefully they can find a way to make it work then because the Lizard should be given the attention he deserves. It's a really human story that could definitely link to where Peter is in his journey now with friends and family due to Doctor Connors being a married man.

 

[Tempest19]

I can't even imagine any of the characters (especially JJJ) in a Spider-Man film actually talking about a serial killer, someone who like to murder families and children for fun.

I can DEFINITELY imagine that.

JJ LOVES getting these villanous characters because they give the Daily Bugle $$$. Imagine the Daily Bugle being akin to the San Francisco Chronicle and how it publicized the Zodiac- which according to many- made the problems that much worse because they built Zodiac into being this legend.

But, also in my films Captain George Stacy has become a key supporting character and Peter Parker has just come out of a dark journey encountering darker villains in my SM5.... so could just be that my vision has just gotten darker and more gritty realism that it could be possible to explore this angle now. From what we heard Joker puts a bomb in somebody's chest which is really dark, so if you give Carnage the same darkness the Joker is allowed it would work. Don't think Sony wants that though.

The characters are very much who they are in the comics, it's just whether or not they can tell this story. Which they probably won't due to the nature of Carnage and anarchy... but, hey The Dark Knight is getting away with a lot. So PG-13, hard PG-13 could work... just would need to start going for gritty realism.

 

[Visionary]

I can DEFINITELY imagine that.

JJ LOVES getting these villanous characters because they give the Daily Bugle $$$.

But, of course my vision of the film is a lot darker already and has kind of had a re-start in a new darker direction.

Well, that's the only way you're going to imagine it, you can't in these films. The crazy thing is, it's not really a big deal, but Marvel/Sony are so afraid they won't be able to sell their Spider-Man Twinkies to kids, that they lose the creative and mature edge of making these type of films.

 

[Tempest19]

Think PG-13 could actually work as stated above. Because just remember the stuff they're getting away with for the Joker in TDK and he doesn't seem watered down at all. So it could work as a hard PG-13. Just Sony doesn't seem to want to go in that direction right now and it wouldn't be a happy meal movie. Lol.

Remember in TDK we have a bomb being put into a thug, going to and likely exploding a hospital full of victims. Don't know if those sides are truly authentic, but pretty sure they are. So if they can get away with the Joker in PG-13 now. Carnage could as well, just don't show him killing a child. My film could actually work as a PG-13 probably because it is a lot like Nolan's Batman universe which is able to get away with a lot because it doesn't take it too far, but far enough for it to be for a more mature audience. Show Carnage killing guys for no reason, show him killing police officers, etc. I think his past would be the only tricky area.

 

[The Joker]

Think PG-13 could actually work as stated above. Because just remember the stuff they're getting away with for the Joker in TDK and he doesn't seem watered down at all.

What stuff are they getting away with?

 

[Tempest19]

What stuff are they getting away with?

Isn't the whole "he said it would light me up like christmas lights" bomb scene still in the film? or was that faked or gotten rid of? Because that scene is definitely dark.

But, as said Warner Brothers allows that- doubt Sony will because it wouldn't be a "happy meal film." Can't exactly give away happy meal toys of a serial killer, lol.

If it got R it would be due to the THEMES more than the graphic nature. For example he goes in for an attack, quick cut to the police at the crime scene. But, we would HAVE to see the city fall apart and give in to their worst instincts in this film except for Peter, MJ and May. Should focus on anarchy- the ultimate carnage. Kind of like how we see the city starting to tear itself apart and everyone getting into conflicts after the Joker starts his rampage to watch the world burns. Same thing Cletus Kassidy wants: to watch the world burn and give into their animal instincts that we all have- "take away laws and government, we'd all kill each other and fight each other." That's what Kassidy wants. Strike fear into people and have them become primevil. Main reason why this is the bridge into the Sinister Six film, because the city gets really dark and scary due to Carnage.

Also for those wondering, also doing research for this film. Going to look into several serial killers. Tonight watching a special on Manson and then go online to see what other documentaries I can find. I think I have a clear picture of who he is though... and although Carnage may be a "kill everyone" type- Kassidy is more 'you cut me in line, you die' type obscure guy. In which he has a pscyopathic way of thinking things through.

 

[The Joker]

Isn't the whole "he said it would light me up like christmas lights" bomb scene still in the film? or was that faked or gotten rid of? Because that scene is definitely dark.

Spoiler

Are you talking about the scene where Joker escapes by planting a bomb in someone's stomach?

As far as I know, that's still there. But, if you think you're going to be seeing blood and guts or whatever, then you're mistaken.

The darkest scene in the Spidey trilogy was Doc Ock's hospital massacre. That's as violent and as dark as it's going to get, IMO.

 

[Visionary]

Think PG-13 could actually work as stated above. Because just remember the stuff they're getting away with for the Joker in TDK and he doesn't seem watered down at all. So it could work as a hard PG-13. Just Sony doesn't seem to want to go in that direction right now and it wouldn't be a happy meal movie. Lol.

Remember in TDK we have a bomb being put into a thug, going to and likely exploding a hospital full of victims. Don't know if those sides are truly authentic, but pretty sure they are. So if they can get away with the Joker in PG-13 now. Carnage could as well, just don't show him killing a child. My film could actually work as a PG-13 probably because it is a lot like Nolan's Batman universe which is able to get away with a lot because it doesn't take it too far, but far enough for it to be for a more mature audience. Show Carnage killing guys for no reason, show him killing police officers, etc. I think his past would be the only tricky area (he murdered his family and burned down a Catholic school with people still inside)

I want to see Carnage in room admiring a wall of bloody body parts. I don't want to see a film with Carnage that doesn't take it too far. Carnage is hands on, he doesn't want to blow sh:t up. He wants to feel his axe-like tendrils in your flesh while you're screaming, and don't care if the cops show up and shoot at him while he's doing it (because he needs more body parts to finish the other wall). Can The Joker do this? That's Carnage...much more deadly.

 

[Tempest19]

Spoiler

Are you talking about the scene where Joker escapes by planting a bomb in someone's stomach?

As far as I know, that's still there. But, if you think you're going to be seeing blood and guts or whatever, then you're mistaken.

The darkest scene in the Spidey trilogy was Doc Ock's hospital massacre. That's as violent and as dark as it's going to get, IMO.

Yeah, that's why I said a dark spidey film could be made if SONY allows Raimi to push the envelope like WB seems to be doing for TDK.

 

[Jick]

I've read your PG-13 Carnage...no thanks. I'd rather he not show up at all. And I see where you're going with your story, but they would never put a serial killer in Spider-Man. Do you want to see them change Kassidy into a bank robber or something, because that's what is going to happen. I can't even imagine any of the characters (especially JJJ) in a Spider-Man film actually talking about a serial killer, someone who like to murder families and children for fun. It's a shame, we should be able to imagine it, but not the way these films cater to kids, it is unfortunate.

you're being close-minded. you think this would be a movie about Carnage killing. that's not it. Carnage is not the main one with so many other characters. like I said before (but you seem to ignore), he would be killing in like one or two scenes. just this. he'd be fighting Spidey most of the time.
"they would never put a serial killer in Spider-Man" - oh you don't know that. the decisions will all be made by the writer and that's how it is.
you seem to think that a serial killer in a movie means rated-R. violence doesn't mean rated-R. if they can do a T-Rex eating people in a PG-13 movie, they can do Carnage PG-13.

The reason you have EMO Peter and dancing, and them not being able to take the films in a dark direction when need be, is because they cater so much to children. That's the mindset of Marvel/Sony when it come to Spider-Man. One that I would like to kill dead!

the reason we have it is poor writing.
a movie can be serious without it being cheesy. they didn't do it because of kids, it is cause Tobey said they wanted dark Peter to be more of a "cool" guy. kinda like a popular one. instead of a darker one. and that's it.
also, the decisions will all be made by the writer, now.
forget this kid thing you're talking about. it's viewed by kids, but it doesn't mean they can't take some violence and freedom in what they do. if this was destined only to kids, Goblin wouldn't have killed so many, wouldn't have blown people, wouldn't have his glider come through his belly, wouldn't have the hospital scene in SM2. they wouldn't even had the glass coming to Ock's wife.

I want to see Carnage in room admiring a wall of bloody body parts. I don't want to see a film with Carnage that doesn't take it too far. Carnage is hands on, he doesn't want to blow sh:t up. He wants to feel his axe-like tendrils in your flesh while you're screaming, and don't care if the cops show up and shoot at him while he's doing it (because he needs more body parts to finish the other wall). Can The Joker do this? That's Carnage...much more deadly.

he doesn't this even in the comics. you're taking it too far.

 

[Tempest19]

I want to see Carnage in room admiring a wall of bloody body parts. I don't want to see a film with Carnage that doesn't take it too far. Carnage is hands on, he doesn't want to blow sh:t up. He wants to feel his axe-like tendrils in your flesh while you're screaming, and don't care if the cops show up and shoot at him while he's doing it (because he needs more body parts to finish the other wall). Can The Joker do this? That's Carnage...much more deadly.

There are MANY ways of getting that sadism in without seeing him inspecting corpses. He can easily be seen treating it like a game through taunting phone calls and such.

The following scene is one scene with Cletus Kassidy (main focus for majority of film) that introduces his character and has that 'you pissed me off, I kill you' vibe (which seemed to be his motive, according to research I did online, behind many of his kills). He burned down a catholic school full of priests that pissed him off and shoved a woman who looked at him funny in front of a bus in the comics, which to me speaks highly of who he is as a character

In the scene below imagine Cilian Murphey (Scarecrow) as Kassidy:

Spoiler

EXT. HELL’S KITCHEN- APARTMENT COMPLEX- EVENING

Local residents walk around outside of the apartment complex. Homeless people stand off to the side next to a garbage can lit on fire to keep them warm. In an alleyway a woman is being mugged… welcome to Hell’s Kitchen.

INT. HELL’S KITCHEN- MARTY’S APARTMENT- EVENING

MARTY WALKER, 38 years old, sits on his used dusty sofa watching an old cowboy show on an old television set with a plastic bucket of popcorn resting on his lap. The lights are off.

A thin figure emerges from out of the shadows; that of a man with crazed eyes and messy brown hair. This is CLETUS KASSIDY.

Marty stirs as he catches Cletus out of the corner of his eyes. He moves to get up.

CLETUS
Uh, uh, wouldn’t do that if I were you.

MARTY
Who are you? How did you get in here?!

Cletus takes a shiny dagger out of his pocket and grins. Kassidy talks in a frightening calm un-emotionless voice.

CLETUS
It’s a pity you don’t remember me. Because I remember you…

MARTY
What are you talking about man? Never seen you before in my life!

CLETUS
You cut me in line today, little diner off Fifth Avenue. I told you that you cut in front of me but you just stood there and laughed.

MARTY
I’m sorry man. I was a jerk. Alright? I have problems.

CLETUS
We all have problems.

Cletus feels the tip of the blade with his hand and then he CHARGES at Marty!

FLASH CUT:
INT. HELL’S KITCHEN- MARTY’S APARTMENT- MORNING

FLASH! A crime scene investigator snaps a picture of Marty’s dead corpse resting on the wooden floor panels below.

George Stacy walks around the scene of the crime and shakes his head in disgust.

Against the wall is a carved symbol of a C with a slash through it.

GEORGE
How many guys does this guy need to kill before we catch a break?

As it progresses we see more of the murders themselves in full, here it's just the introduction so nothing really gory, just gets across the personality.

 

[Visionary]

If they put a serial killer in Spider-Man 4, nothing would make me more happy. Do I see this happening, hell no, do I see JJJ and his comedy relief ass talking about a serial killer, hell no? I'm willing to accept anything to get these films away from the Happy Meal crowd.

 

[Tempest19]

Yeah, neither do I. Just saying it would be a possible PG-13 due to TDK. But probably won't because of the happy meal aim. Not all PG-13 films have to be happy meal films, but currently Spidey has that audience aim. And you don't need an ultra gory movie for Carnage to be scary, hell not many serial killer films are as bloody as you are talking about here. You get frightened by them because of their personality and supposed motives and everything and their calm-nature. Also in some of these films you just see the aftermath of the brutal attack like in Seven, but John Doe is still a scary villain. That's why i said if anything gets the film R it would be themes, 'saw' level gore isn't needed here in my opinion. To make this film work is to look at several of the great serial killer films which don't have literal blood baths.

And yeah this JJ would have no problem with a serial killer, he'd LOVE that NYC has one. It's his flaw in all the films, he loves villains because of the publicity that his paper can give them. He loves coming up with their names and everything. He'd eat this up.

 

[Visionary]

Spoiler

EXT. HELL’S KITCHEN- APARTMENT COMPLEX- EVENING

Local residents walk around outside of the apartment complex. Homeless people stand off to the side next to a garbage can lit on fire to keep them warm. In an alleyway a woman is being mugged… welcome to Hell’s Kitchen.

INT. HELL’S KITCHEN- MARTY’S APARTMENT- EVENING

MARTY WALKER, 38 years old, sits on his used dusty sofa watching an old cowboy show on an old television set with a plastic bucket of popcorn resting on his lap. The lights are off.

A thin figure emerges from out of the shadows; that of a man with crazed eyes and messy brown hair. This is CLETUS KASSIDY.

Marty stirs as he catches Cletus out of the corner of his eyes. He moves to get up.

CLETUS
Uh, uh, wouldn’t do that if I were you.

MARTY
Who are you? How did you get in here?!

Cletus takes a shiny dagger out of his pocket and grins. Kassidy talks in a frightening calm un-emotionless voice.

CLETUS
It’s a pity you don’t remember me. Because I remember you…

MARTY
What are you talking about man? Never seen you before in my life!

CLETUS
You cut me in line today, little diner off Fifth Avenue. I told you that you cut in front of me but you just stood there and laughed.

MARTY
I’m sorry man. I was a jerk. Alright? I have problems.

CLETUS
We all have problems.

Cletus feels the tip of the blade with his hand and then he CHARGES at Marty!

FLASH CUT:
INT. HELL’S KITCHEN- MARTY’S APARTMENT- MORNING

FLASH! A crime scene investigator snaps a picture of Marty’s dead corpse resting on the wooden floor panels below.

George Stacy walks around the scene of the crime and shakes his head in disgust.

Against the wall is a carved symbol of a C with a slash through it.

GEORGE
How many guys does this guy need to kill before we catch a break?

Sadly, they would never show crime investigators snapping pics of dead bodies in Spider-Man. That doesn't mesh well with the plush toy line they'll have planned. But I'd kill to see your script made into a Spidey flick.

 

[Jick]

Yeah, neither do I. Just saying it would be a possible PG-13 due to TDK. But probably won't because of the happy meal aim. Not all PG-13 films have to be happy meal films, but currently Spidey has that audience aim.

that's right. put Carnage in the level of TDK.
I don't know if it was Vanderbilt who said it, but...didn't they say they would bring a new approach to the series? that must be the motive for them to contract Vanderbilt. to make a more serious movie. as serious and deep as Spidey 2. maybe more.

 

[Tempest19]

But I'd kill to see your script made into a Spidey flick.

Thanks man and the screenplay should be completed by summer at latest or sometime before that-perhaps even in March. Using several classic serial killer films as reference such as 'Seven', 'Zodiac', The Hannibal Lector series, etc.

I don't know if it was Vanderbilt who said it, but...didn't they say they would bring a new approach to the series? that must be the motive for them to contract Vanderbilt. to make a more serious movie. as serious and deep as Spidey 2. maybe more.

It's very possible that they contacted him for a darker and more grittier film. I don't see Vanderbilt signing on for a film that would be pure happy meal. But, don't think they could do Carnage even with that. But, Lizard is another villain that is dark, gritty BUT it could also be a happy meal toy since it is a literal monster in a Jekyll and Hyde type deal. The Lizard's a very dark, personal villain that needs a great character analysis writer. Still- you can't sell toys of a serial killer, a monster? easy. serial killer- nope, parents would be outraged. Right now seriously hoping Vanderbilt kind of envisions SM4 the same way I did last summer dealing with Peter's hero complex (can't help Doctor Connors, he meets doctor connors for the first time when Aunt May has fallen ill due to a blood transfusion from him (he feels responsible for her possible coming death), mix that with Harry's death recently... we've got a perfect hero complex struggle here from SM3 and the first Lizard comic)

 

[Jick]

It's very possible that they contacted him for a darker and more grittier film. I don't see Vanderbilt signing on for a film that would be pure happy meal. But, don't think they could do Carnage even with that. But, Lizard is another villain that is dark, gritty BUT it could also be a happy meal toy since it is a literal monster in a Jekyll and Hyde type deal. The Lizard's a very dark, personal villain that needs a great character analysis writer.

well, I take it as an opinion. I have so many good ideas that I could see...

Still- you can't sell toys of a serial killer, a monster? easy. serial killer- nope, parents would be outraged.

there's already Joker toys out there. and...Carnage toys?
http://toys.search.ebay.com/carnage_Spider-Man_W0QQsacatZ2481
a collection. and I had one when as a kid. a maskless Carnage. loved the toy.

 

[Tempest19]

How something is envisioned on page is different than what would come out of the film screens. And by toy I was more or less, should have been more specific, talking about happy meal toys. Doubt any fast food place would be giving children a toy of a guy who murders for fun, pushes people in front of busses, etc. And parents would automatically hesitate from sending their child to that movie. This isn't a light character. Making toys of film Cletus Kassidy would be like making toys of John Doe, Hannibal Lector, etc. for ages 3 and up. Do you see that happening?

 

[Visionary]

And you don't need an ultra gory movie for Carnage to be scary, hell not many serial killer films are as bloody as you are talking about here.

But this is Carnage, not a regular man, I wanna see him doing what he do. You see, unlike other serial killers, they kill and get the hell away from their own grizzly scene before they can be found out. Carnage doesn't have to do that. He can call up a police station, tell them what time he's coming, and still kill every cop inside when he gets there. In other words, this can't be handle like a regular serial killer. He's a serial killer with unbelievable powers.

And yeah this JJ would have no problem with a serial killer, he'd LOVE that NYC has one. It's his flaw in all the films, he loves villains because of the publicity that his paper can give them. He loves coming up with their names and everything. He'd eat this up.

Wait a minute, I'm confused. Are you saying, you can picture JJJ from the Spider-Man films (not your script) talking about a serial killer in detail about what Kassidy's done?

 

[Tempest19]

The more you focus on Cletus Kassidy, the scarier Carnage becomes. As said before Carnage comes more into play nearing the final act. Cletus is the core and meat of the film. Carnage, once unleased, is more of an uncontrollable force of nature and becomes more and more of a killing machine; killing as many people in sight rather than stalling to observe blood matter. Carnage loves the act more than anything else because it allows him to give into these primal instincts that he is very fond of. This is a guy who wants worldwide anarchy and for people to become pre-civilized. So he'd rather rampage through a city killing everybody in sight rather than stopping at one of the victims to kill them slowly, he wants worldwide chaos- stopping doesn't do that, killing MANY in his way achieves his uncontrollable goal that the symbiote strengthens and scares Venom away from him just like in the cartoon (but in a more adult way of thinking).

And yeah, get rid of Hoffman. I could easily see JJ talking about Kassidy. He has that "oh a massacre at a hospital by a guy with eight arms? let's give him a name and put him on the front page!" JJ would have a field day with Carnage just like the San Francisco Chronicle did (that's how I'm envisioning the Bugle)

Carnage is the "slaughter: the savage and excessive killing of many people." A force of nature. If he was a sadist, they'd give him 'The Sadist' or some name like that. But, he's Carnage. A wild frenetic uncontrollable killing machine that lusts for death and killing as many people as he possibly can.

 

[Jick]

Thanks man and the screenplay should be completed by summer at latest or sometime before that-perhaps even in March. Using several classic serial killer films as reference such as 'Seven', 'Zodiac', The Hannibal Lector series, etc.

wow...you go deep to make your stories. must be pretty good.

How something is envisioned on page is different than what would come out of the film screens. And by toy I was more or less, should have been more specific, talking about happy meal toys. Doubt any fast food place would be giving children a toy of a guy who murders for fun, pushes people in front of busses, etc. And parents would automatically hesitate from sending their child to that movie. This isn't a light character. Making toys of film Cletus Kassidy would be like making toys of John Doe, Hannibal Lector, etc. for ages 3 and up. Do you see that happening?

fast food toys?
no. just action figures.
and parents wouldn't really know the Cletus of the movie until see him.
I hope Vanderbilt focus more in doing a good movie (still into the PG-13) than make it thinking in the kids. maybe that's why they contracted him.
and even with Cassidy or not...Lizard would freak out this little kids, so...this really can't be made thinking in the kids.

 

[Venom 1988]

The more you focus on Cletus Kassidy, the scarier Carnage becomes. As said before Carnage comes more into play nearing the final act. Cletus is the core and meat of the film. Carnage, once unleased, is more of an uncontrollable force of nature and becomes more and more of a killing machine; killing as many people in sight rather than stalling to observe blood matter. Carnage loves the act more than anything else because it allows him to give into these primal instincts that he is very fond of. This is a guy who wants worldwide anarchy and for people to become pre-civilized. So he'd rather rampage through a city killing everybody in sight rather than stopping at one of the victims to kill them slowly, he wants worldwide chaos- stopping doesn't do that, killing MANY in his way achieves his uncontrollable goal that the symbiote strengthens and scares Venom away from him just like in the cartoon (but in a more adult way of thinking).

And yeah, get rid of Hoffman. I could easily see JJ talking about Kassidy. He has that "oh a massacre at a hospital by a guy with eight arms? let's give him a name and put him on the front page!" JJ would have a field day with Carnage just like the San Francisco Chronicle did (that's how I'm envisioning the Bugle)

Carnage is the "slaughter: the savage and excessive killing of many people." A force of nature. If he was a sadist, they'd give him 'The Sadist' or some name like that. But, he's Carnage. A wild frenetic uncontrollable killing machine that lusts for death and killing as many people as he possibly can.

Actually I change my mind, I cant wait to see your screenplay now lol

 

[UltimateJustin]

Spiderman movies have never been Happy Meal films. They have always had a deal with BK. Those are Big Kids Meals.