The Dark Knight Rises What could make "BATMAN III" more epic then Dark Knight?

[Solidus]

Exactly. Everything that happened had repercussions on either Bruce or Batman.

TDK was like an experiment. The Joker was the independent variable. Bruce/Batman and Harvey/Two Face were the dependent variables. We saw how two similar "heros" reacted when Joker interfered with them, mainly by killing their girl. Batman used it to push himself to defeat Joker, Harvey went crazy from it.

This is more my thinking, and Nolan's too if you believe some of his quotes at the time.

The Dark Knight was definitely NOT the Joker's story. He didn't have that much screentime and his character didn't have any kind of an arc - he was an absolute from beginning to end. We're only even debating because Ledger's performace was uncommonly good for this genre. Bruce and Harvey did have an arc, the movie was about how they changed.

As Joker said, well put.

There was lots going on, but in the end the crucial plot points and themes were directed at Batman.

As for the epic part. I agree with many on here. I think the problem with many "third" installments is they try so hard to top the previous one, and in doing so they forget about the key aspects, character and story. So I say don't try to go back to BB or try to make TDK again. Just make a good story as he has the past two times. Which I'm sure he will. I think the Nolan bros understand this as well. Make a good story, and that in the end will make a great third installment.

 

[Naite22]

The cool thing about Batman, is the fact that Nolan can pull him in all the directions he wants, because he is ALL_human. He's the only one who is. I laughed so hard when Raimi said, "I like the character of Peter Parker, because he's one of Us". Yo, Raimi! The dude has fluids spraying out from his wrists! He can climb walls, and have superstrength! One of Us you say!??? Get your mind checked. Yeah, but he was a nerdy teenage kid ones. Yes, the key word in that sentence beeing "was". He aint entirely human any more, now is he! Batman however, is all human. He's much flawed. The most interesting "superhero" out there.

However it'll be, I have no doubt that Nolan will make B3 grand!

Ps. All this talk about the movie beeing 3 hours... Just made me realize what the title should be: "BATMAN III HOURS". Great great title!

 

[baleheadbrasil]

A lot of fight scenes and not so dark;Batman using his kicks too, not only punches;no one villain stealing the show or appearing more than Batman;Christian Bale more times without shirt; a good love interest for Bruce;some sensual love scenes;Christian Bale improving his kisses scenes,with more excitement and more passion;new bat-acessories,a new Batsuit;The Thumbler back;the mansion Wayne re-builded;and a memorable end,to close the trilogy with gold key.

If the new movie have all these things,will be PERFECT!!!

 

[Sharkboy]

As Joker said, well put.

There was lots going on, but in the end the crucial plot points and themes were directed at Batman.

As for the epic part. I agree with many on here. I think the problem with many "third" installments is they try so hard to top the previous one, and in doing so they forget about the key aspects, character and story. So I say don't try to go back to BB or try to make TDK again. Just make a good story as he has the past two times. Which I'm sure he will. I think the Nolan bros understand this as well. Make a good story, and that in the end will make a great third installment.

Well put. I think one of the very few elements I preferred in Batman Begins to it's sequel, was it's sense of scale in terms of setting. While the second film seemed to linger on Gotham and added a lot more depth to the Nolan-verse, by focusing on it's inhabitants, their reactions to the batman and the joker etc, the first film always kept Batman true to it's genre's cinematic roots and placed it firmly into an action adventure summer blockbuster fare.

While I immensely enjoyed TDK being Christopher Nolan's comic book take on Heat, Godfather and other crime epics. I feel returning the series back to the 'Begins style of traditional globe-trotting summer blockbuster adventure would be the way to go. I fear i am increasingly in the minority as I don't really attribute a successful third parter as a 3 hour crime saga. I want the "fun" back in this film. Nolan is increasingly attempting to prove he can create the essential "intelligent summer action film" as presumably rings true with Inception. I would like that mentality to cross to Batman 3. Especially considering Nolan seems a lot more refined than he was back in the days of the first film.

To sum up: More Locales, More Action, A unique and intelligent storyline, good characterization for the CHARACTER of Bruce Wayne/Batman (as opposed to focusing on his cause and effect ripples throughout secondary characters)

 

[horrorwriter]

I think they should follow the comics on this one. There is a comic where Deadshot comes to Gotham to take over for batman while he is away, but Bats comes back when he learns about this vicious killer. Have Black Mask running the mob. Stay away from the Joker and other villians already used

 

[Philly Phanboy]

[Joel Schumacher] Nipples dammit! [/Joel Schumacher]

 

[HolyPurpleSocks]

Just give me Catwoman, a rebuilt Wayne Manor and Batcave, and another supporting villain threat(Riddler, Bane, Black Mask) and honestly Nolan can do no wrong.

 

[Marx]

I don't think it needs to be 'more epic' than TDK. I honestly think it would be a mistake to try. All Batman 3 needs to do is tell a good story, like Begins did.

 

[luke1234]

I don't think it needs to be 'more epic' than TDK. I honestly think it would be a mistake to try. All Batman 3 needs to do is tell a good story, like Begins did.

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[Artistsean]

How can the 3rd Batman film compete with the 3rd Spider-Man film and Peter Parker Pelvic Thrusts?

the Batusi!

Christian Bale doing the Batusi

 

[TheseScars]

Comic book news dot com is reporting that there will be 31 never before seen minutes from The Dark Knight released in a new TDK DVD. Could this be coinciding with some announcements? DC is doing it because of it's 75th anniversary...

 

[jb007]

Can Batman III be more epic? Yes! Nolan is the right guy for that.

Batman begines is a great film.

TDK speaks for it's self and is widley said to be "The Godfather" of Superhero films.

I have a feeling that Nolan will go all out on this 3rd film.

 

[weezerspider]

The minute a sequel, or threequel in this case, starts trying to out-do the previous film for the sake of out-doing it is the minute the sequel fails. The ideas about multiple villains scares me a lot to. Historically, that has been the downfall to most "3" superhero movies. I think if Nolan and Co. just focus on making a great film it will be fine, whether it ends up being on par with Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, or even greater, I'll be happy. Even if its not quite as good as Batman Begins, if its the same quality film, I'll be satisfied. Toy Story 3 just showed my that "3" movies can be the best of the series, so I'm hoping Nolan proves this once again.

 

[batlovescatDC]

Comic book news dot com is reporting that there will be 31 never before seen minutes from The Dark Knight released in a new TDK DVD. Could this be coinciding with some announcements? DC is doing it because of it's 75th anniversary...

Link?

 

[Mace Dolex]

Though, making something epic doesn't necessarily mean lots of action scenes. Begins was epic in the large scope of the universe Batman inhabits, for example, and TDK showed all of Gotham in mass panic both with actions scenes but also without. With B3, I can only picture Gotham starting out as a complete hell-hole, and the traumatic state that Gotham is in can be expressed in a very epic way without a car chase or an explosion a lot of the time.

I like this idea it reminds of DKR during the whole Gotham nuclear blackout and all the medias eyes are on Gotham, Batman a wanted fugitive, the mutants running rampant, Joker attacking the carnival, CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER, MASS HYSTERIA!!!!

But I would do away with Batman riding a horse and instead drivng up in the new improved sleek Batmobile to save the day.

 

[Doc Samson]

Well put. I think one of the very few elements I preferred in Batman Begins to it's sequel, was it's sense of scale in terms of setting. While the second film seemed to linger on Gotham and added a lot more depth to the Nolan-verse, by focusing on it's inhabitants, their reactions to the batman and the joker etc, the first film always kept Batman true to it's genre's cinematic roots and placed it firmly into an action adventure summer blockbuster fare.

While I immensely enjoyed TDK being Christopher Nolan's comic book take on Heat, Godfather and other crime epics. I feel returning the series back to the 'Begins style of traditional globe-trotting summer blockbuster adventure would be the way to go. I fear i am increasingly in the minority as I don't really attribute a successful third parter as a 3 hour crime saga. I want the "fun" back in this film. Nolan is increasingly attempting to prove he can create the essential "intelligent summer action film" as presumably rings true with Inception. I would like that mentality to cross to Batman 3. Especially considering Nolan seems a lot more refined than he was back in the days of the first film.

To sum up: More Locales, More Action, A unique and intelligent storyline, good characterization for the CHARACTER of Bruce Wayne/Batman (as opposed to focusing on his cause and effect ripples throughout secondary characters)

Agreed, I always found it funny when people mention the scale of TDK in regards to BB. There both huge, epic movies, just in different ways, but make no mistake, BB had Bruce traversing through all sorts of situations in it's first half.

The establishing shot of that huge monastery as Bruce is climbing the mountain is just as epic as anything in TDK, because of what it meant. I think the thing to be careful about is just doing epic without reasoning, something Nolan is quite adept at avoiding. Bruce was climbing that mountain for a reason, Batman was all over Gotham & Hong Kong for a reason. I'm confident the next movie will be sufficiently epic in whatever way the story requires it to be, if it is required at all...

 

[Visceral]

boobs

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Well, this is Nolan's last movie so I'd quite like a "Final Role call" montage, a little like like the end of Kill Bill.
When the movie ends, before the end credits... Brief clips of all the actors who appeared in the three movies with Zimmers music over the top of it... Then the final clip would be The Joker hanging there at The end of TDK and it'd say: "And Heath Ledger as The Joker".

That'd be pretty epic, no?

 

[Brother Jack]

Well, this is Nolan's last movie so I'd quite like a "Final Role call" montage, a little like like the end of Kill Bill.
When the movie ends, before the end credits... Brief clips of all the actors who appeared in the three movies with Zimmers music over the top of it... Then the final clip would be The Joker hanging there at The end of TDK and it'd say: "And Heath Ledger as The Joker".

That'd be pretty epic, no?

That could be cool under the right circumstances, but I don't think it's something Nolan would find necessary to do.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

That could be cool under the right circumstances, but I don't think it's something Nolan would find necessary to do.

Screw necessary... That's not what messageboard speculation is about. They won't do it, but they should...

 

[Wesley Dodds]

That could be cool under the right circumstances, but I don't think it's something Nolan would find necessary to do.

Screw necessary... That's not what messageboard speculation is about. They won't do it, but they should...

 

[Naite22]

That could be cool under the right circumstances, but I don't think it's something Nolan would find necessary to do.

Maybe not... but than again, who knows. It would definitely be a beautiful touch, not to mention that it's a clear sign of Nolan telling the audience and Warner Bros. "listen here, you bloodsucking parasites, whom always wants more! This is me telling YOU that this was the last batman picture. I've given you three monster epic and beautiful batman movies, now it's over!". SUPERHERO TRILOGY CURSE HAS BEEN BROKEN!

 

[Brother Jack]

Screw necessary... That's not what messageboard speculation is about. They won't do it, but they should...

I don't know if it's something they should do, though. I don't find it to be necessary either.

 

[namtaB]

IMHO, there needs to be a greater threat to Batman than SWAT. Twice now, Batman has eluded/defeated SWAT with relative ease.

Epic would be POTUS suspending the Posse Comitatus Act vis a vis the situation in Gotham City and ordering Delta Force Operators to go in and terminate the Batman with extreme prejudice.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well, this is Nolan's last movie so I'd quite like a "Final Role call" montage, a little like like the end of Kill Bill.
When the movie ends, before the end credits... Brief clips of all the actors who appeared in the three movies with Zimmers music over the top of it... Then the final clip would be The Joker hanging there at The end of TDK and it'd say: "And Heath Ledger as The Joker".

That'd be pretty epic, no?

That's so damn cheesy and unnecessary. Why would Nolan want to copy anything Tarantino does?