The Flash who is savitar !?

[The Caped Knight]

Even this guy saw this twist coming

Yep!

 

[Frodo]

The idea of future Barry being Savitar is just lame for me personally. I just can't co sign to it .

The concept of Barry eventually turning the darkside is logical and the idea isn't a bad one, but they way they handled the storyline here and the build up , I've found to be lackluster and ultimately unsatisfying .

Thankfully , Grant is a first rate actor, and has carried several weak to lackluster episodes the writers have written in the past.

At this point, i'm basically looking forward to next season in which hopefully they'll get a fresh pair of eyes and shake up the series with a new non speedster bad.

 

[KidFlash6969]

Not sure how, or what or why or anything but I feel like Savitar has some tangential connection to Cobalt Blue...

Savitar's costume and blue energy just scream Cobalt Blue to me:

The other connection is Savitar gaining his power through the Philosopher's stone:

Cobalt Blue gains his powers through the use of an ancient talisman/gemstone called "blue fire" in a very similar way.


Abra Kadabra calls Savitar one of Flash's greatest villains (at the end of the day the show always respect the comics, and to create a whole new villain and have him be one of Barry's "greatest enemies" doesn't seem like something they'd do).

Cobalt Blue for sure qualifies as one of Barry's biggest villains, particularly as the founder of the Thawne dynasty and being Barry's twin.

Again, no clue exactly how Savitar and Cobalt Blue would be connected, or the details or character backgrounds that would be changed for the show, but I'm putting my money down that they're related some how.

Let me add to this, Cobalt Blue has a long history of impersonating Barry Allen in the comics...

 

[CLARKY]

Honeslty at this point, I'm not sure I can guess who Savitar is and be surprised. Barry, yeah it could be good but last episode showed it wasn't him.
I fear the revelation will be a huge let down.

I was wrooooooooooooooooong. I thought having seen one future Barry would make it impossible for it to be Barry. Period. Wrooong.

Guys, some are really in bad faith. I mean How many are saying "I knew it" while thinking "I can't see Barry's motivations".
I mean, yeah I had the idea too,butbetweenhaving an idea or suspicion,not being able to ground it AND knowing it. There's a gap.
Justr talking about me : Yes I'm surprised and I want to know why.

Edit : The Cobalt Blue idea is quite neat actually.

 

[Syncos]

To be fair to the writers Savitar did say something along the lines of "I am the future Flash" multiple times Barry just never considered the fact that he was basically telling Barry his identity thats bad writing right there for Barry

The guy has seen enough & fought enough speedsters & certainly has been through plenty of scenarios involving the future to consider the possibility & he has dealt with doppelgangers of other people this is bad writing plain & simple

We've already seen Zoom show up and claim to be "The Flash" and Jay Garrick is "The Flash". As someone doing anything in his power to stop Savitar, I can certainly understand how a future version of himself wouldn't even cross his mind. I'm sure even know he's having a hard time believing it. "How could I be the one to kill Iris" must be running through his mind.

They're going to have to jump through a lot of hoops to successfully explain how Barry. The most hopeful of all heroes, becomes a monster. I mean, losing Iris doesn't do it. Because if his whole world fell apart losing Iris, than he could fix it, by just not being a dick, and killing Iris.

 

[legendkillin]

Hopefully this is the last time we have a speedster villain. The reveal was meh for me, hopefully they finish strong now that he knows.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

You guys think the writers were making this up as they go?

In this instance, no, I think they had Savitar's identity planned out all season.

 

[The Shape]

In this instance, no, I think they had Savitar's identity planned out all season.

That's what's so sad about the whole thing.

 

[Kirmit]

At least Barry (Savitar) actually is the fastest man alive.

 

[KidFlash6969]

Let me add to this, Cobalt Blue has a long history of impersonating Barry Allen in the comics...

Also the show changing Cobalt Blue's origin from:

"Long lost identical twin brother jealous of Barry's life that he could have had if things went slightly differently"

to:

"Future Barry from alternate timeline jealous of Barry's life that he could have had if things went slightly differently"

Is a perfect adaptation of Cobalt Blue for this show. I'm calling it now

Savitar= Cobalt Blue

 

[Wildcard]

Hopefully this is the last time we have a speedster villain. The reveal was meh for me, hopefully they finish strong now that he knows.

I hope not, I still want to see Godspeed making an appearance on the show. And the best thing about introducing the character would be they could forgo the whole mystery angle they used with Reverse Flash, Zoom and Savitar.

The guy has seen enough & fought enough speedsters & certainly has been through plenty of scenarios involving the future to consider the possibility & he has dealt with doppelgangers of other people this is bad writing plain & simple

Again, even given all he's dealt with, why would the first thought in Barry's head be "oh, it's an alternate version of me in the suit!" I can understand not caring for how the angle played out and what not, but I can't come to say it's just solely bad writing because Barry didn't figure it out from the get-go. Outside of a few vague comments, he had little to nothing to go on initially.

 

[Dark Raven]

I said that this might tie into Flashpoint and reveal Barry as the villain like he discovered he himself was in the comic story.

But this "future Flash" might come from a different timeline, as I discussed yesterday, where something diverged. If 2024 Barry, whom we saw last week, is the result of 2017 Barry, well "future Flash" could be the result of a different event such as Flashpoint or something earlier.

The thing that doesn't make sense is how he can know exactly what he was going to say all these years before. Do any of you remember exactly what you said last week? Even yesterday? And yet Future Flash can remember exactly what he said to Killer Frost years before. Does he suddenly have the power of perfect recall?

 

[zenith16]

I said that this might tie into Flashpoint and reveal Barry as the villain like he discovered he himself was in the comic story.

But this "future Flash" might come from a different timeline, as I discussed yesterday, where something diverged. If 2024 Barry, whom we saw last week, is the result of 2017 Barry, well "future Flash" could be the result of a different event such as Flashpoint or something earlier.

The thing that doesn't make sense is how he can know exactly what he was going to say all these years before. Do any of you remember exactly what you said last week? Even yesterday? And yet Future Flash can remember exactly what he said to Killer Frost years before. Does he suddenly have the power of perfect recall?

yes some ofn us have said he might from another reality created from flash point. And some of us have stated that it can't be the one barry met after 2024 cause it won't make sense and it'll have or should have Barry banging his head on the wall repeatedly . why that version would be doing that? it makes no sense after he set things on the right path for that version . so it has to be an alternate created from flash point. the point is we'll have to find out by savitar ether tel's him or Barry will have to find out some other way . But it has to be explained cause if they use the one 2024 post barry setting things right for that version and it came back to bite him. ....


it won't be just him saying "that it make no sense " wanting bang his head on a wall repeatedly for helping that version when he when to that time period of 2024 .

 

[Dark Raven]

yes some of have said he might from another reality created from flash point. and some of have stated that it can't be the one barry met after 2024 cause it won't make sense hit's have barry banging his head o nthe wall why that version would be doing that. it makes no sense after he set things onthe right path for him . so it has to be an alternete created from flash point. the point is we'll have to find out he ether tell us or barry will have to find out some other way . but it has to be explained cause if use the one 2024 post barry setting things right and it came back to bite him.


it won't be just him saying that it make no sense wanting bang his head on a wall repeatedly for helping that version when he when to that time period. .

I'm thinking though, that it can't be a version of Barry created as a result of Flashpoint from an alternate reality. The reason being that that version of Barry wouldn't have experienced these events, and this wouldn't be part of his past. He would've lived a different path. So Future Flash has to be a result of this 2017 Barry's timeline in order for all these events to be his history.

Maybe the timeline diverged after Barry created these time remnants of himself and one of them survived. So 2017 Barry lived out a timeline where he ended up as emo 2024 Barry, while another time remnant (whom Barry created) lived out a different life from that point forward and became a villain.

Whatever the case, there's still some sort of temporal paradox that has occurred.

 

[zenith16]

I'm thinking though, that it can't be a version of Barry created as a result of Flashpoint from an alternate reality. The reason being that that version of Barry wouldn't have experienced these events, and this wouldn't be part of his past. He would've lived a different path. So Future Flash has to be a result of this 2017 Barry's timeline in order for all these events to be his history.

Maybe the timeline diverged after Barry created these time remnants of himself and one of them survived. So 2017 Barry lived out a timeline where he ended up as emo 2024 Barry, while another time remnant (whom Barry created) lived out a different life from that point forward and became a villain.

time travel can create an alternate reality /universe depending on an individual actions and after the time traveler leaves after doing that and doing actions they think putthing back in place. the same reality still always exist's always. . so it's possible . it' s possible that version didn't like what barry did and this is the unverse's paying barry back still . lol he's lucky earth 2 doesn't want revenge as well.

seriously no more time travel barry .

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm speculating that Future Flash could be similar to "The Enemy Within" from the original series of Star Trek, where Captain Kirk was split into two via a transporter malfunction. One version of him was good and compassionate, while the other version was evil and unstable. They eventually had to re-merge in order to survive, as both halves were needed for survival.

Maybe Barry split off into two during one of his time travel incidents, or when he created a time remnant of himself, and that version of him didn't share the same good and wholesome values as the main Barry. And that's how he could develop differently and walk a different path to become Savitar.

 

[zenith16]

I'm speculating that Future Flash could be similar to "The Enemy Within" from the original series of Star Trek, where Captain Kirk was split into two via a transporter malfunction. One version of him was good and compassionate, while the other version was evil and unstable. They eventually had to re-merge in order to survive, as both halves were needed for survival.

Maybe Barry split off into two during one of his time travel incidents, or when he created a time remnant of himself, and that version of him didn't share the same good and wholesome values as the main Barry. And that's how he could develop differently and walk a different path to become Savitar.

hmm that's not how the time remnant thing works sincethey are recording of past reality coarse change and they didn't realize it til some one like barry comes to them for help . but your theory of a split of them I do know about with star trek.


but they likely won't be merged since barry isn't overly "goody too Shoes " as saw when he tried to trick gypsy when they first met. and flash point was pre that event. So there' no way savitar barry is that since barry is still doing stuff like that bone headedly next to what he did to his alternate on earth 2 was was really really jerky.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This revelation is terrible.

 

[Wildcard]

hmm that's not how the time remnant thing works sincethey are recording of past reality coarse change and they didn't realize it til some one like barry comes to them for help . but your theory of a split of them I do know about with star trek.


but they likely won't be merged since barry isn't overly "goody too Shoes " as saw when he tried to trick gypsy when they first met. and flash point was pre that event. So there' no way savitar barry is that since barry is still doing stuff like that bone headedly next to what he did to his alternate on earth 2 was was really really jerky.

I've heard the time remnant theory before and I agree, it doesn't really seem like it'd work. I don't think Savitar is a time-remnant...otherwise they probably wouldn't have bothered having Future Barry specifically state that present Barry creating time remnants against Savitar would be a futile effort.

 

[Dark Raven]

I've heard the time remnant theory before and I agree, it doesn't really seem like it'd work. I don't think Savitar is a time-remnant...otherwise they probably wouldn't have bothered having Future Barry specifically state that present Barry creating time remnants against Savitar would be a futile effort.

Only 2024 Barry thinks it's a futile effort. We don't know if one of those time remnants actually survived and, having witnessed Iris's death, escaped and was driven insane or became evil.

 

[TheGearMan]

This reveal does not make the people who said it wouldn't make sense wrong. The reveal just makes the whole "who is Savitar" sublot seem stupid.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am now more convinced than ever that since the end of season one they come up with their arcs with no set idea of where they are going for the season and once they are well under way in production only then do they decide what the reveal is and it's not based on anything close to logic, it's about what will be the most "shocking/dramatic " as they see it, and being that the writing team love s them some terrible wheel spinning drama for dramas sake what they decide on has consistently been lame as hell and this reveal is no different.

 

[BH/HHH]

I must in minoroty cause I loved the reveal.

Could it be a time remnant? One that remained but didn't have a place and saw Barry have everything while he had nothing. This then set a plan in motion for him to travel back and kill Iris so that the real Barry never got to be happy?!

 

[mqg96]

Present Barry becoming Future Barry/Savitar is an infinite time loop, or bootstrap paradox. It could be a possibility that Savitar was created by the speed force as a punishment for Barry messing with time or creating Flashpoint. That might include going to 2024 to get information as well. We know how the time wraiths were sent by the speed force to punish Zoom eternally and turn him into Black Flash for manipulating the speed force too much. So I guess the speed force can punish speedsters in many different ways, and not just with time wraiths or a Black Flash. If you change time they could create a speed force demon or time loop nightmare for you. The lesson of this Flash season is the main characters being guilty for their mistakes or becoming their worst enemy right?

 

[Wildcard]

Only 2024 Barry thinks it's a futile effort. We don't know if one of those time remnants actually survived and, having witnessed Iris's death, escaped and was driven insane or became evil.

It's doubtful that Savitar is a time remnant. And if he were, that wouldn't really make sense. That whole thing worked for Zoom...I don't see how it could plausibly work with Savitar.