The Dark Knight Rises Why Batman WON'T Die in The Dark Knight Rises

[Rocketman]

... Raganork didn't even do anything wrong here.

 

[KalMart]

You used to be swarmed, ridiculed and made out as if you worshipped Satan here if you proposed the idea Batman die at the end of this film a couple year agos. I'm not defending Rag's outburst but having to read this linear thinking over and over again I can see where the emotion comes from. At any rate you shouldn't be attacked for voicing your opinion, especially when it regards ones own choices. The fact that benstamania went about it more eloquently, I don't think that type of response should have been reserved for him, his tone wasn't trollish or confrontational in nature at all.

I did, and it the reception wasn't exactly inviting.

 

[Nevincer]

Same here. The tables seem to have turned, but then a lot of said posters who cared to continue that kind of stuff got banned. For unrelated things, of course.

 

[KalMart]

I wasn't exactly surprised.

 

[Rocketman]

I agree that opinions are opinions, and the feeling of [BLACKOUT]Batman dying[/BLACKOUT] being a bad decision, is a valid opinion. But for me personally, 95% of what Nolan has done has been flawless, maybe more than 95. I have a few gripes about Batman Begins, and one teeny-tiny insignificant one about TDK, so I've learned that Nolan is pretty much a genius almost 100% of the time. So, if he thinks Batman should die, then I don't think it's a bad decision, because HE'LL do it in a way that is flawless as always. The man's proven himself to me, and my immediate reaction to people questioning Nolan's decisions is, "When has he let you down before?" He's pretty much given us everything we could possibly ask for, so I don't see why he would just ruin it all with an ending that doesn't satisfy one person on the internet.

 

[methodical66]

I do think Batman will die. Liam Neeson, tells Bruce..... If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal and if they can't stop you, you become something else entirely....a legend. Batman in my opinion knows to stop Bane, he's going to have to die. Batman will become Gotman's hero with a face. People will be inspired for what Batman gave to save Gotham. He's lived to see himself become the villain.....now he will die the hero

 

[Travesty]

I agree that opinions are opinions, and the feeling of [BLACKOUT]Batman dying[/BLACKOUT] being a bad decision, is a valid opinion. But for me personally, 95% of what Nolan has done has been flawless, maybe more than 95. I have a few gripes about Batman Begins, and one teeny-tiny insignificant one about TDK, so I've learned that Nolan is pretty much a genius almost 100% of the time. So, if he thinks Batman should die, then I don't think it's a bad decision, because HE'LL do it in a way that is flawless as always. The man's proven himself to me, and my immediate reaction to people questioning Nolan's decisions is, "When has he let you down before?" He's pretty much given us everything we could possibly ask for, so I don't see why he would just ruin it all with an ending that doesn't satisfy one person on the internet.

Yeah, but that's the thing, you don't know that Batman is going to die. To get so worked up over pure speculation is just silly.

And especially judging from your last spoiler, both you and Rags don't think Batman will die, so again, why get so worked up over it?

 

[Nevincer]

They were getting worked up over people threatening to not see the movie over death as a possible ending, it's not being against that premise itself or whether it's really gonna happen, Rag and Kal just think it's a very unreasonable stance to take before you've seen it and shows a level of arrogance. It's these kinds of attitudes that are inhibiting creative decisions and risks because studios are afraid they won't get the bucks, and seeing as he's a screenwriter/storyteller I can see why this got to him.

 

[KalMart]

They were getting worked up over people threatening to not see the movie over death as a possible ending, it's not being against that premise itself or whether it's really gonna happen, Rag and Kal just think it's a very unreasonable stance to take before you've seen it and shows a level of arrogance. It's these kinds of attitudes that are inhibiting creative decisions and risks because studios are afraid they won't get the bucks, and seeing as he's a screenwriter/storyteller I can see why this got to him.

Well, when you look at some of the 'daring' things done narratively in recent comic-based movies...some done well some not so well...lack of $$'s hasn't really been a problem. Or at least put it thus way, for those front-loaded movies...especially the #3's, a 'major' death itself wasn't really the difference-maker.

 

[Travesty]

They were getting worked up over people threatening to not see the movie over death as a possible ending, it's not being against that premise itself or whether it's really gonna happen, Rag and Kal just think it's a very unreasonable stance to take before you've seen it and shows a level of arrogance. It's these kinds of attitudes that are inhibiting creative decisions and risks because studios are afraid they won't get the bucks, and seeing as he's a screenwriter/storyteller I can see why this got to him.

Yeah, but if he "supposedly" knows the ending, then why be upset when someone says he wouldn't like it if the ending was about Batman dying? Because Benstamania clearly said "if Batman dies, I rather not see it in the theater".....if! And he even ended his post by basically saying, "I hope that's not how it goes".

 

[cryptic name]

I won't lie, and this may upset a few.. or some may not understand my way of thinking..

However, if Nolan kills Batman/Bruce Wayne in this movie I won't be seeing it. I'm going to find this fact out before I make my way into theaters because I will NOT be happy with Batmans death regardless of how good the story is.

I don't expect Nolan to cater to me and what I want.. It will simply be my personal decision.

My perfect ending would be Bruce finding peace with what he has to do. Bruce accepting the fact that he must commit himself to this life and that Batman and the mission must take priority over everything else. No more second guessing. No more regrets... Just accepting that this is his life and that he's ok with it.

I'm hoping that's how things go.

If you want to find out the ending before you go see it, why see it at all?

 

[Broker]

If you want to find out the ending before you go see it, why see it at all?

Kind of an odd question when we're on a spoiler forum...

 

[Atom Ant]

On the other hand, I can see how incorporating he may want to incorporate a 'faked' death if his identity is revealed. And in so many ways..his identity should be revealed to the people of Gotham. They should know that the most privileged and insulated of Gotham's son devoted his life and health to making Gotham a better place for them.

I this way, it might turn out that he was wrong in BB when he said as a man he can be corruptible and have more value as a symbol. The fact that a man can be corruptible and weak...but still ISN'T...could be what really counts most. ?

This is what I want to be pounded into the audience's head. But he can be both. He can be that man who was incorruptible, who sacrificed everything for his city and also leave that legacy,that symbol,that mantle for others to take up and rally behind.

 

[Sharkboy]

looks like i missed a hell of a party.

 

[Naked Shia]

I would say if people are not ready to accept how the story will turn out, they should write their own story. Being so defensive about an ending is kind of sad really. "I will NOT be happy with Batmans death regardless of how good the story is." is really a sad thing to say. Of course, people have the right to think like that, and it doesn't bother me that much, I just think it's sad.

 

[Sharkboy]

Honestly, we all have opinions, doesn't mean the one which states skipping out on an entire film because of an ending that might or might not happen is flat out odd and a little bit suspect.

I mean i get it, you might not be hyped over this film, you might not like where nolan has taken the character or you simply do like everything about the films just not enough to spend ungodly amounts on a ticket and rather wait for DVD, that's all perfectly fine, but to let an ending or worse still the notion of one ruin an entire movie experience for you thanks to an incredibly close minded view directed by "source material" that changes it's own rules every 5 years.

It's ignorant and kinda elitist, because apparently comic books can do no wrong when it comes to changing a character, but there will be hell to pay if a director dares to show just a little bit of individuality in telling the story and not have it ruled by the work of other men. (Going off on a tangent here) It's that sentiment that I'm sick of, that Nolan is "ashamed" of Batmans comic roots, or that he shouldn't feel like he is above the material enough to change it, he has no right, it's not his property etc etc. It's all BS to me, I respect those people's right to an opinion, but i certainly don't respect their opinions.

But yeah Rag shouldn't have lost his s*** like that, naughty naughty.

 

[cryptic name]

Kind of an odd question when we're on a spoiler forum...

Not really. Not many people are here to find out major things. This is just where the news and good conversations are. It's kind of a different beast to actively pursue finding out the ending and then using that to decide whether or not you're going to see the movie. Kind of counter intuitive. It's like being in 1980 and saying, "I'm going to wait and find out the ending to this Star Wars sequel and if Darth Vader is Luke's father I'm not going."

 

[Naked Shia]

Honestly, we all have opinions, doesn't mean the one which states skipping out on an entire film because of an ending that might or might not happen is flat out odd and a little bit suspect.

I mean i get it, you might not be hyped over this film, you might not like where nolan has taken the character or you simply do like everything about the films just not enough to spend ungodly amounts on a ticket and rather wait for DVD, that's all perfectly fine, but to let an ending or worse still the notion of one ruin an entire movie experience for you thanks to an incredibly close minded view directed by "source material" that changes it's own rules every 5 years.

It's ignorant and kinda elitist, because apparently comic books can do no wrong when it comes to changing a character, but there will be hell to pay if a director dares to show just a little bit of individuality in telling the story and not have it ruled by the work of other men. (Going off on a tangent here) It's that sentiment that I'm sick of, that Nolan is "ashamed" of Batmans comic roots, or that he shouldn't feel like he is above the material enough to change it, he has no right, it's not his property etc etc. It's all BS to me, I respect those people's right to an opinion, but i certainly don't respect their opinions.

But yeah Rag shouldn't have lost his s*** like that, naughty naughty.

Agreed. It's not like the writers never do wrong in the comics. "It's not like the comics" doesn't mean anything, as Batman is more than 7 decades old. He's been a killer, a light hero, a romantic figure of the night, a dark and brooding loner, a well rounded knight.... and that's why he's still one of the more popular heroes ever: he's open to interpretation.

 

[Gianakin_]

The Batman I know doesn't die.

 

[Sharkboy]

Agreed. It's not like the writers never do wrong in the comics. "It's not like the comics" doesn't mean anything, as Batman is more than 7 decades old. He's been a killer, a light hero, a romantic figure of the night, a dark and brooding loner, a well rounded knight.... and that's why he's still one of the more popular heroes ever: he's open to interpretation.

Exactly. Take Avengers for example, what makes that into a good film? It's not "fanwank" moments, it's certainly not because caps suit is more comics accurate, it's not because every character looks like they've been ripped straight out of the comics, or every other fanboy wish people wanted before the film to come out. It's because it's brilliantly written and acted, two things no comic could ever count for in a movie. Everything else is pretty superficial compared to it, yet fans still hold comics in the highest ruling regard when it comes to the films that "adapt" the general material.

 

[Naked Shia]

As long as it respects the essence of the characters, and it's done with heart, it can achieve greatness.

 

[Naked Shia]

The Batman I know doesn't die.

The catwoman I know knows Nolan's gardener, and she says the ending is epictoloplasmic.

 

[Gianakin_]

The gardener I know wouldn't watch TDKR if Batman died.

 

[Naked Shia]

The gardener I know wouldn't watch TDKR if Batman died.

I don't know this so called gardener, but the Aquaman I know would beat him up in a fair fight.

 

[Gianakin_]

Not if he has his legs crossed like a man.