Why is Thor considered so powerful?

[Thundergod777]

Thor is easily more powerful and stronger than any other Marvel character. During "The Reigning" final arc Thor, without the Odinpower killed both the Hulk and the Thing without one arm or his hammer! I doubt Hercules, as cool as he is, could accomplish that feat.
Furthermore, Thor always holds his strength waaay back because he's become accustomed to living among humans.

 

[Guyverjay]

Oh please that was the biggest load of crap going. Bad writing and you know it. Hulk by himself has battered Thor black and blue, yet Thor with ONE ARM and no hammer kills Hulk and Thing by himself? LOL

Hulk got killed by a piece of wood for petes sake

Even Corp, the biggest Thor fanboy on the hype admits that was ridiculous

Herc is a better fighter hand to hand that Thor can ever hope to be

 

[LobokDaikon]

Whoever called Thor a Superman rip-off is just stupid.Really.

Not a rip-off no, but Stan probably used him so that they'd have a Superman-type character.

 

[Warhammer]

Thor is a god, thats why he is so powerful.

Yes sir.

 

[Anubis]

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[The Question]

Oh please that was the biggest load of crap going. Bad writing and you know it. Hulk by himself has battered Thor black and blue, yet Thor with ONE ARM and no hammer kills Hulk and Thing by himself? LOL

Hulk got killed by a piece of wood for petes sake

Even Corp, the biggest Thor fanboy on the hype admits that was ridiculous

Herc is a better fighter hand to hand that Thor can ever hope to be

1. He said Thor with Odinpower. With the Odin power, Thor contained exploding nuclear missiles in his hand like it was nothing.

2. Herc is not necesairily a better fighter. He's a highly skilled warrior, but Thor is much more of a soldier/warrior than Herculese. Herc tends to spend alot of time getting drunk and banging nymphs.


EDIT: Nevermind number one. I just read that it said "without Odinpower".

 

[GNR]

Not a rip-off no, but Stan probably used him so that they'd have a Superman-type character.

Unless you are Stan Lee,your comment is nothing but assumption.

 

[BrianWilly]

During "The Reigning" final arc Thor, without the Odinpower killed both the Hulk and the Thing without one arm or his hammer! I doubt Hercules, as cool as he is, could accomplish that feat.

I'm pretty sure Thor had the Odinpower during "The Reigning."

 

[Doombringer]

I agree, i dont neccessarily believe Herc to be the better fighter of the two just because he 'invented wrestling', etc. Like someone already mentioned Thor has been in countless of battles to the death repeatedly over a span of thousands of years... i would tend to believe, realistically, that one such warrior god would be more than capable to defeat Herc in a battle that wasnt to the death. And fully Immortal or not, Herc will never be a god on the level Thor is.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

1. He said Thor with Odinpower. With the Odin power, Thor contained exploding nuclear missiles in his hand like it was nothing.

2. Herc is not necesairily a better fighter. He's a highly skilled warrior, but Thor is much more of a soldier/warrior than Herculese. Herc tends to spend alot of time getting drunk and banging nymphs.


EDIT: Nevermind number one. I just read that it said "without Odinpower".

Yeah, Thor had the Odinpower blocked by a necklace Dr. Strange had gotten on him. That was a really bad fight all around. I chalk it up to the fact that Jurgens had to basically tell the story of how Thor got rid of all the heroes of Earth in one issue AND include a whole story of Balder's betrayal and everything alongside it. Any Thor/Hulk fight should take about an issue or more to be done well, let alone a Thor/Hulk/Thing fight.

As for Hercules' fighting ability, I'd say he's got the upper hand on Thor in pure wrestling/fistfighting. Thor uses Mjolnir about 99.9% of the time. Fighting without it is kind of alien to him because Mjolnir is practically another appendage to him at this point. Plus Hercules has just as much experience as Thor does, given that they've both lived for thousands of years, and while Hercules does tend to cavort drunkenly a lot, remember that in the Greek legends he's described as one of the fiercest warriors ever. Achilles is supposed to be the absolute greatest warrior ever, based on what I've read concerning the myths, but Hercules isn't far behind him. Recall also that before gaining a greater degree of humility from his time as Don Blake, Marvel's Thor wasn't as different from the mythological Thor as he is now. He drank and lazed about a lot, too. It's not like the giants were banging on Asgard's door literally every second of every day for the last few millennia.

Also, while Herc may lack the overall power of Thor, he is at least as physically strong as Thor. That's been shown in the comics on several occasions. Coupled with his similar fighting experience and, in my opinion, greater unarmed fighting skill, I don't have a problem with Hercules beating him in a one-on-one with no weapons. Thor doesn't have to be the best at everything. I take solace in the fact that, fighting with all of their respective powers at their disposal, Thor would leave Herc little more than a bunch of bloody, immortal chunks on the battlefield.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Properly written Thor and Hercules even without weapons should be able to kill the Hulk with ease. both of them have reflexes and agility in the superhuman class, far greater than the Hulk who is not even peak human. their reflexes should be 5-10 times as fast as the Hulk. The Hulk should never even land a blow. It doesn't matter how angry and strong he gets, if the Hulk can't hit him he can't win.

 

[Harlekin]

I think you should refresh your knowledge on the Hulk. He does have superhuman reflexes and agility. He's capable of knocking down speedsters like Quicksilver.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Since my local comic shop closed 3 or 4 years ago I haven't seen much new stuff but before that He definately did not have suprhuman reflexes. The Last official word from Marvel that I have seen is the Master Edition of the Handbook producd some years ago. They officially listed the Hulks reflexes and agility as in the athlete class. The next categories up were: peak human, enhanced human( Wolverine ), superhuman (Thor, Hercules), metahuman (Spiderman).Any superhuman reflexes he may have now must have been obtained in the last few years.

 

[Harlekin]

How do you define the 'last few years'? The Quicksilver incident I believe is from somewhere around the eighties. I've been looking around for the issues and scans, but someone else will probably be able to supply you with the info.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

If I read the incident I don't recall it. Most likely they simply had Hulk do something he was not capable of. It is a sad fact that it occurs all too often.The Handbook entry I refered to above was dated 1991 and specifically states that his refexes as of that time were not superhuman. I have never been more than a casual follower of the Hulk and what they have done in the last say 5 or 6 years I don't know.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

First off, the Hulk has been shown to have reflexes in the super human range. And as he gets angrier all his abilities increase. If that was not the case, the Hulk would just be a more powerful version of rhino or any other creature with just super strength.

Second of all, in mythology Heracles or Hercules died because of a poisonned robe and he immolated himself. Zeus, his father took the immortal part fo him and brought him to Olympus. The mortal part went to Hades. Therefore the 616 version is the god and not the mortal Hercules.

Third the fight where king Thor killed the Hulk and others was done in about one panel and I have to agree with all the above, it was very badly done. The story line was great though.

 

[Advocate05]

Why does this thread still have legs? Thor is a god plain and simple. With or without Mjolnir Thor is powerful. He may not have godlike powers without the Mighty Mjolnir, but he is still a powerful dude. He's not overrated like this thread suggests and to make matters worse. I read the first page a few days ago and the creator of the thread didn't know a heck of alot about Thor to begin with ... so again ... why does this thread still exist?

 

[Horrorfan]

Why does this thread still have legs? Thor is a god plain and simple. With or without Mjolnir Thor is powerful. He may not have godlike powers without the Mighty Mjolnir, but he is still a powerful dude. He's not overrated like this thread suggests and to make matters worse. I read the first page a few days ago and the creator of the thread didn't know a heck of alot about Thor to begin with ... so again ... why does this thread still exist?

But he doesn't seem very powerful to me, for a god. I know he is powerful, and has a lot of power, but for a god he seemed a little....lacking. But I guess that's down to my perception of what god like powers are.

 

[bkhedr]

Why does this thread still have legs? Thor is a god plain and simple. With or without Mjolnir Thor is powerful. He may not have godlike powers without the Mighty Mjolnir, but he is still a powerful dude. He's not overrated like this thread suggests and to make matters worse. I read the first page a few days ago and the creator of the thread didn't know a heck of alot about Thor to begin with ... so again ... why does this thread still exist?

As I understand it he's the God of Thunder and has innate weather control abilities even without Mjolnir

 

[Xofenroht]

You know, this is exactly why people have problems with the Ultimate titles. Those who hardly ever pick up a 616 book walk into or start conversations like this one without the slightest idea of what they're talking about. It's just like when the cartoons were out.

 

[bkhedr]

You make a good point but I hardly think its fair to blame the Ultimates for people's lack of knowledge.

If anything I think this is a good thing. It shows that people who werent interested in comics and had never read them were pulled in by the Ultimate books enough that they started asking questions about 616

Next step: Reading some 616

 

[Horrorfan]

You know, this is exactly why people have problems with the Ultimate titles. Those who hardly ever pick up a 616 book walk into or start conversations like this one without the slightest idea of what they're talking about. It's just like when the cartoons were out.

I love the normal marvel universe, always have- at least x men. Avengers, including Thor, always seemed really dull and boring to me for some reason, untill The Ultimates came along and made those characters FINALLY interesting with kick ass cinematic style stories.


But if Hulk has had Thor in stalemates, he is NOT as powerful as a god should be imo.

 

[bkhedr]

but the Hulk is the stongest one there is

stalemating him is no small feat

 

[Horrorfan]

but the Hulk is the stongest one there is

Oh Hulk is helluva strong- but should he really be on the level of a god?

To me, a god should be probably the (or one of if there are many gods) most powerful being around by a long margin, not being taken to a draw by a freak accident of nature.

 

[Advocate05]

I am sorry for coming off like an ass. I understand what you mean about ..

But he doesn't seem very powerful to me, for a god.

But if you look at past issues of Thor ... like REAL old ones. Thor is hard to take down. And I remember one ish where him and Hulk square off(I have it, but I'm at work.) Hulk beats hhim bad, but it comes to a stalemate. Once Thor's (damn I forget what its called.) Anger kicked in he and Hulk were just pounding each other and nothing. And Thor dropped the hammer ... didn't use it once Hulk said ... "Thor weak without hammer." Oh yeah it was Thor 385. Hulk claimed victory, and Thor was beaten and battered.