Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Weather Witch]

I believe since the start of this decade, only in 2014 did Disney not have a billion dollar movie. In 2010, 2013 and 2015 they had multiple billion dollar movies. Last year they had one crack a billion. This year, if Zootopia crosses the mark, that is already two, with Nemo and Star Wars to come.

I think Darth was referring to Disney rolling out four $1 billion dollar plus films since December. That includes the box office flop, Captain America: Civil War.

Whoops I was thinking MCU only. Yeah that's true.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Darth was referring to Disney rolling out four $1 billion dollar plus films since December. That includes the box office flop, Captain America: Civil War.

Though it is only 3. The Jungle Book will have to settle for 900m.

 

[kevork89]

Or maybe it is. Maybe there is simply a ceiling on X-Men movies, and there is nothing wrong with that. Though I feel like Deadpool proved that wrong. Like these movies aren't reaching a huge chuck of the audience that would be more then willing to see it.

Yeah it's interesting. Deadpool worked because it followed that formula that's very successful right now and it had a kickass marketing campaign plus Deadpool had a huge fan base and he's fresh and new all of that. It all factors in. It was a simple movie plot, typical bad guy, great action, fun hero and there was a love story in there too. It ticks all the boxes. I think X-Men never ticks those boxes that it should. Marvel manages to do that with all their movies. The formula is working. Fox got it right with Deadpool and it's about time they start to try it with X-Men. They don't have to go the full on route with it but they can do it if they tried. Give the characters more to do. Get the audiences to go for Scott and Jean the way they want Wade and Vanessa or Tony and Pepper. Give a great story with more team up action. Have the characters know how to fight hand to hand instead of just always resorting to using their powers. In the comics we've seen hand to hand combats. It's only Wolverine and Mystique who we've ever seen fight like that. And recently Deadpool.

 

[Double B]

I think there's a ceiling on this vision of X-Men, not the franchise in general.

X-Men with a core cast of the established favourites: Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit... Basically X-Men '92 is like a mini Avengers and with the right casting, it's a billion waiting to happen.

I'm just not sure that's possible under Bryan or indeed, this current continuity. But we shall never know.

 

[def28]

I think there's a ceiling on this vision of X-Men, not the franchise in general.

X-Men with a core cast of the established favourites: Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit... Basically X-Men '92 is like a mini Avengers and with the right casting, it's a billion waiting to happen.

This.

They don't use their marketable characters to their potential, and that has hurt it. Taking a character like say Rogue and adapting why she has been so popular from the comics should not be difficult.

At this point though, they need a new creative take overall that separates it from the past two decades.

 

[Zant]

Frozen, Pirates, and Alice were all in house to be fair. They have owned Pixar for over a decade now. There was no billion dollar Marvel movie before they bought them. And technically not a Star Wars one either. Stupid inflation.

Yeah Alice and Pirates made it, but their billion dollar films have more than doubled now compared to the early 2000s for obvious reasons.

The Avengers and the other billion dollar Marvel films would have made a billion without Disney. Paramount and Marvel did all the hard work at the start for them to the take all the credit now. Same with Lucas films and Fox with Star Wars.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think there's a ceiling on this vision of X-Men, not the franchise in general.

X-Men with a core cast of the established favourites: Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit... Basically X-Men '92 is like a mini Avengers and with the right casting, it's a billion waiting to happen.

I'm just not sure that's possible under Bryan or indeed, this current continuity. But we shall never know.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah Alice and Pirates made it, but their billion dollar films have more than doubled now compared to the early 2000s for obvious reasons.

The Avengers and the other billion dollar Marvel films would have made a billion without Disney. Paramount and Marvel did all the hard work at the start for them to the take all the credit now. Same with Lucas films and Fox with Star Wars.

What in the heck are you talking about? Fox did no hard work with Star Wars. They almost ruined Star Wars before it began.

You have no prove about The Avengers or any other movie. They hadn't even made a 700m dollar movie. Then the Diseny marketing train got behind it and it exploded. Adjusted for Inflation, TFA is the second biggest Star Wars movie of all time.

Disney is brilliant at marketing. No one else comes close really. You have a one off like Deadpool, but just look at the reaction to the new Beauty and the Beast trailer. The movie is already a billion dollar hit, and it doesn't come out for 10 months.

And of course their billion dollar movies have grown over the the last decade. There were barely any billion dollar movies a decade ago. This is what inflation and surcharges will do for ya. The thing is, no one else is keeping up.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

X-Men Apocalypse already made 130m ww very impressive.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/x-men-apocalypse-box-office-international-130-million-1201783869/

 

[Superhero 101]

We'll see how it really does come Monday

 

[Alison Blaire]

115 http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x-men2016.htm

 

[Double B]

This.

They don't use their marketable characters to their potential, and that has hurt it. Taking a character like say Rogue and adapting why she has been so popular from the comics should not be difficult.

At this point though, they need a new creative take overall that separates it from the past two decades.

That's exactly it.

X-Men, and by extension, Fox, are lucky enough to have decades of fan favourites: well characterised, famous and much loved characters at their disposal. And even better, a strong element of diversity representation and incredible female characters arguably some of comics' finest.

So where the hell are they onscreen? Rogue is a breakout character waiting to happen. She's flawed, tragic, but strong, independent, fiesty, empowered... And fun.

I don't expect them to cut ties with the current continuity. It's far too early to be making those kind of decisions but after so long, perhaps starting over wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't think another period movie is going to be the breakout hit they need to take this franchise to the next level that it's so deeply, deeply capable of.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

115 http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x-men2016.htm

Is outdated this numbers. The real one if from Variety.com with 130m

 

[Zant]

What in the heck are you talking about? Fox did no hard work with Star Wars. They almost ruined Star Wars before it began.

You have no prove about The Avengers or any other movie. They hadn't even made a 700m dollar movie. Then the Diseny marketing train got behind it and it exploded. Adjusted for Inflation, TFA is the second biggest Star Wars movie of all time.

Disney is brilliant at marketing. No one else comes close really. You have a one off like Deadpool, but just look at the reaction to the new Beauty and the Beast trailer. The movie is already a billion dollar hit, and it doesn't come out for 10 months.

And of course their billion dollar movies have grown over the the last decade. There were barely any billion dollar movies a decade ago. This is what inflation and surcharges will do for ya. The thing is, no one else is keeping up.

Yeah Disney's brilliant marketing really helped Lone Ranger, Tomorrowland, John Carter, Tron, Prince of Persia, Good Dinosaur etc. Also the Avengers was always going to be big, no need denying this. Marvel and Paramount turned d-list characters into hits in phase one. All credit should go the Marvel and Paramount for the success of the MCU.

The high profile flops was the best thing that ever happened to Disney. They went out and got the successful franchises and and I don't blame them.

It does not always workout though. The Muppets for example.

 

[Manila Vanilla]

Please let there be a miracle *sigh

THREE-DAY WEEKEND FORECAST

X-Men: Apocalypse (4,150 theaters) - $67.41 M
Alice Through the Looking Glass (3,763 theaters) - $40.26 M
The Angry Birds Movie (3,932 theaters) - $21.37 M
Captain America: Civil War (3,395 theaters) - $17.79 M
Neighbors 2: Sorority Rising (3,416 theaters) - $11.77 M
The Jungle Book (2,523 theaters) - $7.33 M
The Nice Guys (2,865 theaters) - $6.39 M
Money Monster (2,315 theaters) - $3.44 M
Love & Friendship (493 theaters) - $2.61 M
Zootopia (572 theaters) - $1.18 M

FOUR-DAY MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND FORECAST

X-Men: Apocalypse - $82.2 M
Alice Through the Looking Glass - $52.03 M
The Angry Birds Movie - $27.78 M
Captain America: Civil War - $23.12 M
Neighbors 2: Sorority Rising - $14.83 M
The Jungle Book - $9.44 M
The Nice Guys - $7.98 M
Money Monster - $4.3 M
Love & Friendship - $3.75 M

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4190&p=.htm

 

[kevork89]

That's exactly it.

X-Men, and by extension, Fox, are lucky enough to have decades of fan favourites: well characterised, famous and much loved characters at their disposal. And even better, a strong element of diversity representation and incredible female characters arguably some of comics' finest.

So where the hell are they onscreen? Rogue is a breakout character waiting to happen. She's flawed, tragic, but strong, independent, fiesty, empowered... And fun.

I don't expect them to cut ties with the current continuity. It's far too early to be making those kind of decisions but after so long, perhaps starting over wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't think another period movie is going to be the breakout hit they need to take this franchise to the next level that it's so deeply, deeply capable of.

Yes a week ago I would've said no reboot but now I'm thinking it. Not because I want it. I've loved the casts we've got and the movies we've got minus Origins and Last Stand. For them to reboot it would be heartbreaking. But if it is better suited so we can get these characters we deserve right then I think they should. More so now because they've really just boxed themselves in. And I'm thinking where are they going to go? A reboot might be the only way because it's fresh and the audience can go in with no pre existing notions of the characters or having had to have seen 8 movies prior to get the whole story that led up to Apocalypse. It's a tough sell.

If they were to reboot I'm half/half on it. I want it but I don't. It's still too early to tell now anyway.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah Disney's brilliant marketing really helped Lone Ranger, Tomorrowland, John Carter, Tron, Prince of Persia, Good Dinosaur etc. Also the Avengers was always going to be big, no need denying this. Marvel and Paramount turned d-list characters into hits in phase one. All credit should go the Marvel and Paramount for the success of the MCU.

The high profile flops was the best thing that ever happened to Disney. They went out and got the successful franchises and and I don't blame them.

It does not always workout though. The Muppets for example.

You do realize Paramount never owned Marvel, right?

You show me a studio with no duds. Then show me a studio with as many hits as Disney. 13 of the 30 biggest films of all time. God, the bitterness is hilarious. If we start talking inflation, nothing touches their animated slate.

 

[Zant]

You do realize Paramount never owned Marvel, right?

You show me a studio with no duds. Then show me a studio with as many hits as Disney. 13 of the 30 biggest films of all time. God, the bitterness is hilarious. If we start talking inflation, nothing touches their animated slate.

Yeah but Paramount distributed and marketed it. You know, they had to market characters like Thor, Iron Man and Cap to the masses. Marketing the Avengers and Star Wars would be a lot easier I would say.

Oh Disney are Animation kings. Its their live action stuff that they struggled with for a long time. The purchases has helped out a lot.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah but Paramount distributed and marketed it. You know, they had to market characters like Thor, Iron Man and Cap to the masses. Marketing the Avengers and Star Wars would be a lot easier I would say.

Oh Disney are Animation kings. Its their live action stuff that they struggled with for a long time. The purchases has helped out a lot.

Using that logic Fox couldn't get the prequels past a billion. Disney got it past 2 billion, even after the prequels.

They have some of the biggest live action hits of all time. Alice, Pirates, The Jungle Book, the first Narnia, Maleficent. Why do you ignore these?

 

[Iceman]

I think there's a ceiling on this vision of X-Men, not the franchise in general.

X-Men with a core cast of the established favourites: Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit... Basically X-Men '92 is like a mini Avengers and with the right casting, it's a billion waiting to happen.

I'm just not sure that's possible under Bryan or indeed, this current continuity. But we shall never know.

Exactly! Avengers and Civil War and the universe supporting them have been executed so well that now people see Avengers how 90s comic readers saw X-Men. With the right execution X-Men team films could be as big.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think there's a ceiling on this vision of X-Men, not the franchise in general.

X-Men with a core cast of the established favourites: Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit... Basically X-Men '92 is like a mini Avengers and with the right casting, it's a billion waiting to happen.

Thing is they had plenty of time to put this roster in the film... but no there must be a Wolverine trilogy, a prequel trilogy and then this year we just witnessed a Deadpool movie outgross all the freaking X-Men films.... and now Rogue/Gambit are in the present (its not even clear if we would those two together), while there's no film set in the present featuring Cyclops/Jean/Storm in plans and Hugh Jackman won't return after Wolverine 3.

 

[psylockolussus]

Please let there be a miracle *sigh



http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4190&p=.htm

Wow those are pretty low! And months ago... people were sure it was gonna outgross DOFP. Oh well. Lets see if BoxOfficeMojo's predictions are right.

 

[Sithborg]

I believe since the start of this decade, only in 2014 did Disney not have a billion dollar movie. In 2010, 2013 and 2015 they had multiple billion dollar movies. Last year they had one crack a billion. This year, if Zootopia crosses the mark, that is already two, with Nemo and Star Wars to come.

Oh, Zootopia is crossing a billion. Japan is doing some heavy lifting. I think it had sub 1% drops in Japan last week. Japan doesn't necessarily put up big opening numbers, but if something hits, it will have legs to die for.

Got back from my 7 o'clock show. Not super full, as too be expected. But, my theater seemed to enjoy it. So, hopefully some good potential WOM.

 

[iacobusleo]

Yes a week ago I would've said no reboot but now I'm thinking it. Not because I want it. I've loved the casts we've got and the movies we've got minus Origins and Last Stand. For them to reboot it would be heartbreaking. But if it is better suited so we can get these characters we deserve right then I think they should. More so now because they've really just boxed themselves in. And I'm thinking where are they going to go? A reboot might be the only way because it's fresh and the audience can go in with no pre existing notions of the characters or having had to have seen 8 movies prior to get the whole story that led up to Apocalypse. It's a tough sell.

If they were to reboot I'm half/half on it. I want it but I don't. It's still too early to tell now anyway.

The only reason why I wouldn't want a reboot is the fantastic cast.

And technically, if we bring on a new director with a fresh vision to the cast we have right now, aren't we half a step closer to a reboot? A brand new (and what seems to have been a well-received) cast, but with some old faces, with stories that are not burdened by the previous movies since DOFP wiped the slate clean and Apocalypse was relatively self-contained. Just keep references to previous movies at a minimum. DOFP was the perfect finale to Singer's vision of the X-Men anyway, and Apocalypse IS a finale no matter how shakily executed. Nothing was left hanging that NEEDS to be addressed.

If an actual reboot does happen though (with all characters in the present), it is still possible to keep the current cast? I think that would be the preferred option for me even if it may be impossible.

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh, Zootopia is crossing a billion. Japan is doing some heavy lifting. I think it had sub 1% drops in Japan last week. Japan doesn't necessarily put up big opening numbers, but if something hits, it will have legs to die for.

Zootopia was amazing! And I love the song Try Everything!